You’re entitled to your own opinion, but a club the size of Utd cannot afford to stand still.
Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?
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We did under Ollie. Last season every one thought we were on the brink of something special,
injuries have put a stop to that and yet we are still in the fa cup final.
i just don’t like knee jerk reactions especially when there isn’t a stand out ready replacement. Why not wait till the new board is in place? They could then see the problems and hopefully see what ETH does with a fully fit squad. If he still struggles then by all means show him the door but it’s a damn good job we didn‘t get rid of Fergie after the first two seasons isn‘t it.
Funny, we hand players long lucrative contracts and look how that’s turned out.
“If he struggles” ….if this isn’t struggling then what the hell is?
Ten Hag has had 2 seasons and pissed away countless £millions with the club now in absolute tatters.
There are too many negatives to list ….enough’s enough.
Don’t you think it was in tatters before he joined?
Give it up.
I would agree with that statement actually. My fear is we become the next AC Milan.
Give what up? We appear to have gone round in circles these past ten years and yet some want another manager to attempt to manage this club.
Why not wait and see what happens next season? Yes this has been a shit season so far, (we might win the cup)(after all no one thought we’d beat Liverpool).
Just wait and see what Ashworth and co can bring to the table, remember patience is a virtue.
Wrong thread.
Take your argument to the Ten Hag thread, who knows you might even find someone who agrees.
I don't think he coaches the type of football the club wants.
Hell, they won the league 2 years ago.
United should be targeting the period in 2-3 years when Man City may go into a cyclical slight decline (Pep leaves for example). It’s shown over the last few years that we could build a team to get 90 points and win nothing with them around. Also the potential of the club as the biggest name in the country remains to be the dominant force, that takes years of getting the best people from top to bottom and developing a winning mentality.
i would rather get a cheese grader and grind my dick into shreds than see Tuchel as the Utd gaffer
Would you rather Alonso?
He's not a good coach. That should be obvious by now.
I think Tuchel is probably the best manager available this summer. He has the potential to be top 5 manager in the world, but there is definitely something a bit iffy about him. He seems like he’s a bit of a nutter who falls out with everyone. At this point though, it would be deluded arrogance for any fan to turn their nose up at him, because he’s miles better than anyone else we’ve had in the role for a long time; and in this current moment we almost certainly need him more than he needs us.
With Tuchel you are likely getting two years before he leaves under some sort of a cloud. Usually I would say that is a pointless appointment, but nowadays the life span of most coaches is 2-3 years unless they are very successful. I also think that how long we bring a coach in for, doesn’t actually matter right now. What is more important is the continuity of the structure around him. As long as we have a consistent plan vis a vis playing style and recruitment, then the coach can be fairly interchangeable.
The biggest problem pre-Ineos has been that every time we change the manager, we change the playing style and need massive squad turnover. If, as promised - and as some of us having been saying for years - we implement a super-structure that dictates the playing styles, training methodology, and recruitment processes, then all that matters when appointing a coach is that they have good man management skills, can handle the pressures of the job, are willing to work within the structure, will use the academy, are able to influence games through tactical adjustments, shapes, and substitutions, and know how to rotate a squad competing on multiple fronts (as United should be). I highly doubt the first appointment out the gate is going to be the one that builds some massive legacy, staying for a decade or so.
If that happens, great, but otherwise the potential longevity of the manager isn’t the important consideration here. With that in mind, if Tuchel is willing to work within our structure, then he’d be a great hire. He’s one of only a handful of coaches who could get us competing in the short term. It’s the job of Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, to build us a squad that can compete in the medium to long term.
With Tuchel you are likely getting two years before he leaves under some sort of a cloud. Usually I would say that is a pointless appointment, but nowadays the life span of most coaches is 2-3 years unless they are very successful. I also think that how long we bring a coach in for, doesn’t actually matter right now. What is more important is the continuity of the structure around him. As long as we have a consistent plan vis a vis playing style and recruitment, then the coach can be fairly interchangeable.
The biggest problem pre-Ineos has been that every time we change the manager, we change the playing style and need massive squad turnover. If, as promised - and as some of us having been saying for years - we implement a super-structure that dictates the playing styles, training methodology, and recruitment processes, then all that matters when appointing a coach is that they have good man management skills, can handle the pressures of the job, are willing to work within the structure, will use the academy, are able to influence games through tactical adjustments, shapes, and substitutions, and know how to rotate a squad competing on multiple fronts (as United should be). I highly doubt the first appointment out the gate is going to be the one that builds some massive legacy, staying for a decade or so.
If that happens, great, but otherwise the potential longevity of the manager isn’t the important consideration here. With that in mind, if Tuchel is willing to work within our structure, then he’d be a great hire. He’s one of only a handful of coaches who could get us competing in the short term. It’s the job of Ashworth, Wilcox and Berrada, to build us a squad that can compete in the medium to long term.
Who do you think does?
Remember we previously hired a manager on the basis that they won the CL with a side not expected to years earlier. And that worked out sub-optimally.
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Ole?
OK then give us a name you want
Last season there were some promising signs and some worrying signs. It was enough that we were hoping we'd continue moving the right way, but we certainly weren't 'on the brink of something special'.
The managers tactics have put a stop to it more than the injuries have. As seen by the fact that we looked just about as bad even when we have had all or almost all our players available. There's been a lot of games where we've been able to play 9 or so of our strongest 11, so this idea that we've been putting out terrible line-ups all season due to injury really is a myth. Even in the few games where everyone was fit we looked almost as bad.
Tuchel doesn't tick all the boxes for me, but he is arguably the most sure-thing in the short term to get us back into a strong position. From there we can then build further from a position of strength instead of the position of weakness that we currently are in. As long as he commits to continue to play and develop our younger players a good amount (not necessarily starting every match), it's a bit of a no-brainer to bring him here over ETH.
Mourinho?
Better the turd that might flush than the turd that is stuck
That last paragraph is absolutely key with him whether he would or not though remains to be seen
Isn't that such a false equivalence, though?
We didn't hire Mourinho solely based on his two CL titles. If we hire Tuchel, it won't be solely based on his CV.
Also, when Mourinho was genuinely the best or among the best managers in the world, football was very different compared to when we actually hired him in 2016. Jose was one of, if not the biggest tactical pioneer of the 2000s, but a decade later, football evolved, and he was too stubborn, and got left behind. That's why he still hasn't really achieved anything significant since he won the Premier League with Chelsea in 2015, 9 years ago.
this is our worst position in the PL era so by definition its a fact he’s made us worse
I think more to the point is that neither have (or had) done much recently. Failing at Bayern with a much better squad than us isn't a great selling point for Tuchel.
I'm not saying he has done well, particularly this season, but is a little simplistic. Ole was having a blinder when he was given the job permanently and we know how that turned out.
It is a bit of a worry, but it does have to be mentioned that this is the weakest Bayern squad in a decade and they are up against an undefeated team that was on track to have the greatest Bundesliga season in history before they took their foot off the pedal a couple of games ago (even with those two draws they will probably only finish one point behind the Bayern's best ever season).
I'm not sure tbh. Who knows what they want, maybe they do want him. I do think he's probably too defensive though, not that I care as long as it's consistent.
Haven’t we already become? To be fair, they actually won a league title 3-4 years back, we haven’t won one in 11 years.
I just can't believe he took off Kane. He knows Madrid are mentality monsters, that they always score late. They were only a goal up, extra time was clearly in the realm of possibility.
Kane was injured
He was injured, that's why he was subbed.
It's Solihull Moors actually
A panic decision would have been at the end of last season when our form declined rapidly after winning the league cup, instead we allowed ETH to pick our transfers to suit a system he wanted and spent another £200 million whilst moving on players he didn’t want to the point that 50% of the squad our his signings alone.
We’re about to finish in our worst ever league position of the PL era, bottom of the easiest CL group, dominated at home by everyone we play, the worst defensive stats in the league, a minus GD and getting worse as the seasons gone on so that isn’t a panic decision.
Do you mean Mourinho ? If so we signed him years too late as he was ruined mentally by Real and his second spell at Chelsea by the time he came to United, the time to bring Mourinho in was when Sir Alex retired as Mourinho was still a big draw for players, we were league champions and the biggest club in the country and Mourinho would have most likely got us another league title before he inevitably imploded with his usual third season syndrome.
based on the style of football he currently plays....yes
tuchel just plays boring football and just reminds me of a poor mans Klopp
and there lies the main issue....no real top class manager is out there at the moment
you have the main up and coming types like De Zerbi, Alonso and Amorim....all three play a nice style of football and are getting more from their teams than the talent level they have
the links with Southgate concern me as well simply bc he's a national team coach and not an every day manager