Time to wake up and smell the Christmas pudding

[redevil2]

To be fair it was more along the lines of Govan, shipbuilding and socialist Labour.


He balked at paying an extra £5 million for Benzema because he though it was too much. That's the moment I decided he couldn't come to terms with the modern market.

The better question is: is Fergie smart or is he just being frugal regardless of the interest of the club?

He's the man who can dictate what the market price is. Not the other way round. It's a myth your so called modern market because what is the value of the player to his team is more important than your so called market price. Fergie is a visionary and it's disrespectful to judge him as not coming to terms with modern market. Nothing he had overlooked because of price had cost the club. If he's not spending an asking price of a particular player, it's because he did not see the player is worthy of signing with the asking price. He's smart you know that?

 

[Sarni]

Our transfer policy was brilliant this Summer.

One of the most solid full backs in Europe and full Italy intenational brought for £12m. One of the best PL defensive midfielders, full France international - £24m. Both exactly the players we had been looking for. Top class midfielder, Germany international - £6m. One of the most promising wide players and possibly the most promising Dutch new generation player for £21m. You could argue with Martial fee but you cannot possibly argue that he is not the sort of player we were looking for - very promising, young, pace.

How can anyone question our transfer policy this year?

 

[redevil2]

Value. Debt. What he did on a shoe string budget was nothing short of phenomenal. It's a shame he's missed the extra money we're making through the likes of Adidas and Chev. But make no mistake when he had cash he wasn't scared to spend it and break transfers records. Your £30m is very arbitrary though, Doc.

Exactly

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

The better question is: is Fergie smart or is he just being frugal regardless of the interest of the club?

He's the man who can dictate what the market price is. Not the other way round. It's a myth your so called modern market because what is the value of the player to his team is more important than your so called market price. Fergie is a visionary and it's disrespectful to judge him as not coming to terms with modern market. Nothing he had overlooked because of price had cost the club. If he's not spending an asking price of a particular player, it's because he did not see the player is worthy of signing with the asking price. He's smart you know that?

Yeah, I know he's smart and my opinion of his willingness to spend modern sums in the last years of his tenure is only a minor blemish on his otherwise flawless managerial record but you can't call him a visionary as far as player transfers are concerned if he showed himself unwilling to spend those massive fees on a player. The history speaks volumes there; Benzema and Modric providing two excellent examples.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I'd like to think he'll scores a lot more than 25 goals in four seasons. As for the £30m, again, blame financial constraints rather than a bloke who loved spending big becoming tight fisted with his cash.

Financial constraints are a convenient excuse, nothing more.

 

[soapythecat]

What a load of crap.

 

[JPRouve]

Are you saying the cake is a lie?

No he is saying that the OP smell.

 

[redevil2]

Yeah, I know he's smart and my opinion of his willingness to spend modern sums in the last years of his tenure is only a minor blemish on his otherwise flawless managerial record but you can't call him a visionary as far as player transfers are concerned if he showed himself unwilling to spend those massive fees on a player. The history speaks volumes there; Benzema and Modric providing two excellent examples.

You were only assuming he has a bottomless pocket to dig into and he refused to dig into it. But you have no evidence to show that.

LvG is given a big budget whatever he likes because we are on the blink of becoming a top 4 club only, instead of being a champion dominating team we were pre 2013.The club has to be very careful and has been very generous. That was not the case in the past surely because we won even with a tight budget.

You really have to take that into account when making comments as such.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

You were only assuming he has a bottomless pocket to dig into and he refused to dig into it. But you have no evidence to show that.

LvG is given a big budget whatever he likes because we are on the blink of becoming a top 4 club only, instead of being a champion dominating team we were pre 2013.The club has to be very careful and has been very generous. That was not the case in the past surely because we won even with a tight budget.

You really have to take that into account when making comments as such.

Fergie and Gill consistently said money was available. Are you saying they lied?

 

[redevil2]

Fergie and Gill consistently said money was available. Are you saying they lied?

Not suggesting they lied but when referencing "money is available", common sense dictates that it is not the kind of money that is comparable to under LvG. £36m with adds-on of £22m totalling over £50m for a 19 year old unproven foreign player who is to adapt to this country and the PL, its definitely not the money 'available' Fergie and Gill were referring to, agree?

With that kind of money Fergie would have purchased 3 players and made them score over 20 goals+. At the end of the day Fergie DID NOT NEED to spend those money to enable his team to score so many goals to win the league or progress in Europe. What do you say about that?

 

[Adisa]

Fergie and Gill consistently said money was available. Are you saying they lied?

We were paying 80m on interest payments alone. even without spending much we barely made any overall profit. I'm not saying they lied but they were bending the truth. there is no way this club had the money to compete with our rivals.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Woodward just cant win with some. Brandy cream,what?
Is it so hard to say our woody has learned from his mistakes,we had a very good window with DDG signing a new contract as a cherry on top.

Not a very well thought thead.

 

[pascell]

Any brandy custard going?

 

[Ringo 07]

After the Moyes shambles which had nothing to do with Woody...The club was spiralling out of control and heading for disaster.......Van Gaal hasn't been perfect but the squad needed a total over haul.....Van Gaal has done an outstanding job getting rid of all the deadwood like Nani, Anderson, Evans, Fletcher, Buttner etc....I think Woody has been outstanding this summer...In 1 or 2 years from now you'd think Martial and Depay might be among the most exciting players in Europe and everyone knocking Woody now will be singing his praises then

 

[hbgreg]

WE ARE VERY CLOSE

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Not suggesting they lied but when referencing "money is available", common sense dictates that it is not the kind of money that is comparable to under LvG. £36m with adds-on of £22m totalling over £50m for a 19 year old unproven foreign player who is to adapt to this country and the PL, its definitely not the money 'available' Fergie and Gill were referring to, agree?

With that kind of money Fergie would have purchased 3 players and made them score over 20 goals+. At the end of the day Fergie DID NOT NEED to spend those money to enable his team to score so many goals to win the league or progress in Europe. What do you say about that?

I say five million more and we might have had Benzema. 10 million more and Modric would still be running our midfield. The club certainly could have afforded them, so why didn't we do it? I know that Fergie felt it was too much but Christ almighty at that level (considering we'd have paid 30 mil for each) those were middling sums.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

We were paying 80m on interest payments alone. even without spending much we barely made any overall profit. I'm not saying they lied but they were bending the truth. there is no way this club had the money to compete with our rivals.

Not saying we needed to spend Ronaldo money (i.e. world record sums), just more than £30 million after 2009.

 

[redevil2]

I say five million more and we might have had Benzema. 10 million more and Modric would still be running our midfield. The club certainly could have afforded them, so why didn't we do it? I know that Fergie felt it was too much but Christ almighty at that level (considering we'd have paid 30 mil for each) those were middling sums.

You were only assuming Modric and Benzema could have won us trophies. Thank God we had Fergie. If fans had run the club we would be just spending and spending and had 20 foreign managers 9n 26 years with a bare trophy cabinet. Again Thank God we had Fergie.

 

[Adisa]

Not saying we needed to spend Ronaldo money (i.e. world record sums), just more than £30 million after 2009.

We only spent that kind of money once during that period. But i don't think we were in a position to do it often. fergie never hesitated about paying above market prices pre Glazer.i am very keen to know what changed. he shed very little light on it in his book.

 

[Kostur]

Our transfer policy was brilliant this Summer.

One of the most solid full backs in Europe and full Italy intenational brought for £12m. One of the best PL defensive midfielders, full France international - £24m. Both exactly the players we had been looking for. Top class midfielder, Germany international - £6m. One of the most promising wide players and possibly the most promising Dutch new generation player for £21m. You could argue with Martial fee but you cannot possibly argue that he is not the sort of player we were looking for - very promising, young, pace.

How can anyone question our transfer policy this year?

But we didn't shackle di Maria in dungeons, we've let Falcao go and it's surely his year this year, we've let Rafael who's world class player go, we've got rid of Nani who's ten times the player Memphis is oh and let RVP go, which hurts a lot, despite the fact that same people who cry about him now were screaming to get him out last season.

And other bollocks, generally speaking. I'd say that the biggest if not the only drawback of this summer's transfer window was sending Januzaj on loan because we're short in numbers. Who knows how much he progresses at BVB though so I'm reserving my judgement for now. Rest business on our behalf was just fantastic.

 

[Ryan7]

Our transfer policy was brilliant this Summer.

One of the most solid full backs in Europe and full Italy intenational brought for £12m. One of the best PL defensive midfielders, full France international - £24m. Both exactly the players we had been looking for. Top class midfielder, Germany international - £6m. One of the most promising wide players and possibly the most promising Dutch new generation player for £21m. You could argue with Martial fee but you cannot possibly argue that he is not the sort of player we were looking for - very promising, young, pace.

How can anyone question our transfer policy this year?

Easily. We were crying out for a top centre back since last summer. The answer? Daley Blind played there. We sell Hernandez and Van Persie and rely on Van Gaal's love child in Rooney to score the goals, when he's past it. We need a right winger and choose to pass up on Pedro for £22 million. Then on the last day we pay £35 million for Martial. We also signed Romero whilst sitting De Gea in the stands for six games.

 

[ivaldo]

I know we are looking to move away from mega threads but can we have a whiny, bullshit, kneejerk, child tantrum thread just to keep it all in one place?

 

[GloryHunter07]

I love christmas pud.

 

[The Law of Denis]

Did we not break records to sign Denis Law, Robson, Cantona, Keane, Veron, Berbatov?

Wtf is up with people thinking that we only recently started spending big money. It has always been a part of our club.

 

[Spoony]

Did we not break records to sign Denis Law, Robson, Cantona, Keane, Veron, Berbatov?

Wtf is up with people thinking that we only recently started spending big money. It has always been a part of our club.

Indeed.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

You were only assuming Modric and Benzema could have won us trophies. Thank God we had Fergie. If fans had run the club we would be just spending and spending and had 20 foreign managers 9n 26 years with a bare trophy cabinet. Again Thank God we had Fergie.

I don't understand why you seem to think my opinion on this makes me anti-Fergie. He's the best club manager ever and unlikely to be bettered. That does not mean he is flawless, though. I think the spending apprehension is one flaw and not a consistent one at that, it manifested only when prices went above what I perceive as his comfort level, which is a bit silly considering the sums involved.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Did we not break records to sign Denis Law, Robson, Cantona, Keane, Veron, Berbatov?

Wtf is up with people thinking that we only recently started spending big money. It has always been a part of our club.

There's breaking records and then there's breaking thresholds. Fergie only once broke the £30 million threshold, for Berbatov, and I highly doubt we ever paid Spurs the full quoted fee.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

We only spent that kind of money once during that period. But i don't think we were in a position to do it often. fergie never hesitated about paying above market prices pre Glazer.i am very keen to know what changed. he shed very little light on it in his book.

For me the only thing that makes sense is a personal threshold held by the great man.

 

[dsch]

I thought this thread was going to be a celebratory one about how the Jewish kid gets invited to Christmas.

 

[Sarni]

Easily. We were crying out for a top centre back since last summer. The answer? Daley Blind played there. We sell Hernandez and Van Persie and rely on Van Gaal's love child in Rooney to score the goals, when he's past it. We need a right winger and choose to pass up on Pedro for £22 million. Then on the last day we pay £35 million for Martial. We also signed Romero whilst sitting De Gea in the stands for six games.

I don't even know where to start.

Buying a center half was never a priority this Summer. Aside from the first 5 games of last season, and basically mainly Leicester game, our defence did reasonably well last Summer and there was hardly any defender available this Summer that would have improved us. Chelsea were also in the market for a new defender and managed to sign a 27-year old from Nantes who was in Ligue 2 two years ago. We cannot buy for the sake of it, particularly as we have very good Smalling, talented Jones, decent Rojo and Blind has done very well so far.

Choosing to pass on Pedro and sign Martial is not really criminal. I think we should have got both because of depth but Pedro has elevated to a status of absolute super star somehow when he was merely a decent player before and a lot of people actually opposed to the idea of signing him.

We did as wel as we could last Summer and if you look across Europe we might have done the best business of all clubs.

 

[The Law of Denis]

There's breaking records and then there's breaking thresholds. Fergie only once broke the £30 million threshold, for Berbatov, and I highly doubt we ever paid Spurs the full quoted fee.

Fergie broke thresholds for singings plenty of times. 30 million is an arbitrary number

- He signed record deals for Pallister, over 2 million
- He signed a record with Keane, 3 million.
- He signed a record deal for Andy Cole, 7 million.
- He broke 10 million for Stam/Yorke
- He signed a record for Ruud before breaking it a week later for Veron
- He signed a record for a defender with Rio, 25 million
- He signed Rooney for a record for a teenager
- He signed Anderson/Nani for huge sums at the time for unproven talents

and so on.

It was only after our second CL win when he started bullshitting about value. He never cared to break thresholds or records before. And neither did our managers before that when they could.

 

[Welsh Wonder]

Did we not break records to sign Denis Law, Robson, Cantona, Keane, Veron, Berbatov?

Wtf is up with people thinking that we only recently started spending big money. It has always been a part of our club.

Haven't we broken the british transfer record more times than any other club?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Fergie broke thresholds for singings plenty of times. 30 million is an arbitrary number

- He signed record deals for Pallister, over 2 million
- He signed a record with Keane, 3 million.
- He signed a record deal for Andy Cole, 7 million.
- He broke 10 million for Stam/Yorke
- He signed a record for Ruud before breaking it a week later for Veron
- He signed a record for a defender with Rio, 25 million
- He signed Rooney for a record for a teenager
- He signed Anderson/Nani for huge sums at the time for unproven talents

and so on.

It was only after our second CL win when he started bullshitting about value. He never cared to break thresholds or records before. And neither did our managers before that when they could.

30 million is significant because it's highest he was ever willing to go, demonstrably at that.

As I've said a few times, it's hard to figure out exactly why but I can't understand why he would have paid that amount for Benzema but another five on top of that was considered too much. Modric, maybe I can understand after all the animosity in the Carrick and Berbatov deals but still, he was a bargain at 40 million.

 

[Americano]

Do you people not realize that this very morning Woodward paid £7.5M to a player for last year?

And it was worth every penny!

 

[crimsonife]

Do not try and smell the pudding, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there is no pudding. Then you'll see, that it is not the pudding that smells, it is only yourself.

Regressed yes, but as you can see from the transfer window we're trying our best to get back.

 

[sglowrider]

It seems like the Christmas pudding has gone a little sour.

 

[Lay]

Is losing the most misspelt word in the world?

Losing/lose. Really grates me when people spell it as loosing or loose.

Anyway, I want some pudding.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Is losing the most misspelt word in the world?

Losing/lose. Really grates me when people spell it as loosing or loose.

Anyway, I want some pudding.

Your probaly write about this.

 

[chriswt]

I don't know what Christmas pudding is, but it must smell fantastic.

Exactly what I thought when I opened this thread. If you can find a way to complain about this transfer window, there will never be a successful one in your eyes.

 

[IBleedRed]

Martial will cost us £50m unless he's a complete flop.

Sounds like a good problem to have