Matador8
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Didn't do himself many favours. Who cares?
Well, when we loaned him to Wigan he looked a real prospect at the end of that season. We need to write off last season anyway. Lets get behind the lad and see if he can regain his confidence.More importantly if he was playing for West Brom and United were linked with him for £6 million we'd laugh it off because he'd be tens of names down the list of cms to sign from premier league teams. We wouldnt be looking at him.
Fair enough Tom. Good man..Hold on a second, let me make it very clear I don't rate Cleverley at all, and don't believe he is anywhere near good enough to be playing for United.
All I was commenting on was that it seemed very possible to me Van Gaal heard the cheering and decided to bring Hernandez on.
That was about 4 years ago and McCarthy outshone him during that spell. Anderson and Nani looked good 4 years ago.Well, when we loaned him to Wigan he looked a real prospect at the end of that season. We need to write off last season anyway. Lets get behind the lad and see if he can regain his confidence.
All due respect LW, but big deal - that was years ago. Sure Anderson looked the business ("..and he shittttts on Fa-bre----gas...") in his debut season with us in 2007/08 & look how thats turned out?!Well, when we loaned him to Wigan he looked a real prospect at the end of that season. We need to write off last season anyway. Lets get behind the lad and see if he can regain his confidence.
Clevs was way ahead of McCarthy back then. McCarthy has built on his promise though, alas with Everton. As for Anderson and Nani, they will always look good a few games a season but between injuries and lack of motivation they will never go anywhere.That was about 4 years ago and McCarthy outshone him during that spell. Anderson and Nani looked good 4 years ago.
The last time we won the league (2012-2013), Anderson played almost half the games and was stunning during the early period of the campaign.All due respect LW, but big deal - that was years ago. Sure Anderson looked the business ("..and he shittttts on Fa-bre----gas...") in his debut season with us in 2007/08 & look how thats turned out?!
I am not a fan of Nani or Smalling, but Jones looks like he can have a future at the club.Ask your level-headed non-United mates what they think of our squad & most of them will say we're a bunch of deluded mugs having him, Anderson & Nani still at the club - not to mention Smalling & Jones, to name but a few also!
Which games were those exactly?Anderson played almost half the games and was stunning during the early period of the campaign.
I must have been on the "brown acid" then, because i dont remember any of that - far from it!The last time we won the league (2012-2013), Anderson played almost half the games and was stunning during the early period of the campaign.
Its about time Jones started showing it then, because i havent seen any evidence of him being good enough to help United to clean up at home & abroad..I am not a fan of Nani or Smalling, but Jones looks like he can have a future at the club.
What?The last time we won the league (2012-2013), Anderson played almost half the games and was stunning during the early period of the campaign.
I can't remember that bit too.What?
He's thinking of 11-12, where Ando was not at all stunning, he was rather decent for the first 5 games then climbed back into his wheelbarrow and hibernated for the rest of the season.I can't remember that bit too.
Carrick and RVP were stunning in the first half. RVP faded a bit in the second and our defence improved.
What?
I can't remember that bit too.
Carrick and RVP were stunning in the first half. RVP faded a bit in the second and our defence improved.
Livewire's off watching the season reviews since the 2007/08 season, to prove us all wrong & rub our faces in it..He's thinking of 11-12, where Ando was not at all stunning, he was rather decent for the first 5 games then climbed back into his wheelbarrow and hibernated for the rest of the season.
I think the spotlight is on Clev simply because he was picked as captain by LVG and plays in a position we're absolutely desperate for more signings in. He didn't do good at all, he was fecking awful.90 + posts in a Cleverley thread when he did good in poor conditions.
Nothing in the Nani and Hernandez threads when they offered nothing in said conditions.
Cleaning boots & playing with the academy - where he'd get showed up there aswell..Look, he's a squad player lets not beat around the bush. he isn't starter material, but he does have a place here.
He wasn't awful by any stretch but carry on.I think the spotlight is on Clev simply because he was picked as captain by LVG and plays in a position we're absolutely desperate for more signings in. He didn't do good at all, he was fecking awful.
I'm not going to carry on with anything, as I do want Cleverly to do well, but I thought that he was given a chance to impress and failed badly tonight. What did he do right in your opinion?He wasn't awful by any stretch but carry on.
The spotlight will always be on sub-average players playing for United, & as much as we think everyone else are abu's - football folk know a United-quality player when they see one..I think the spotlight is on Clev simply because he was picked as captain by LVG and plays in a position we're absolutely desperate for more signings in. He didn't do good at all, he was fecking awful.
Spread play well, was involved in the build ups for goals 1 and 3 I believe, couple of good tackles and interceptions as well.I'm not going to carry on with anything, as I do want Cleverly to do well, but I thought that he was given a chance to impress and failed badly tonight. What did he do right in your opinion?
What is your job in football exactly ?The spotlight will always be on sub-average players playing for United, & as much as we think everyone else are abu's - football folk know a United-quality player when they see one..
The thing is he's actually learning some defending. Its the one thing thats improved with him over the last 18 months instead of regressing. So maybe after another half a season learning he'll be able to play the deepest role in midfield. Maybe.It's clear there will never be a general agreement regarding him but I think if we tried to play him in the PL as essentially the holding CM like tonight we'd be in a shitload of trouble. If he is kept then surely his best role would be as Herrera's back-up.
Thats a pretty lame retort man!What is your job in football exactly ?
And do you reckon your average football fan talks as much sense and knows more than people like Eric Harrison, Fabio Cappello, Roy Hodgson, Sir Alex Ferguson and seemingly Louis Van Gaal ?Thats a pretty lame retort man!
You dont need to have a job in football to understand the game & a players worth / qualities.
I think many people in football should have the same passion for the game that most of us all have. The normal football fan on the street talks more sense than many managers & pundits do - not to mention players, with a large percentage of them not even watchers of the game..
It's a mix of, doesn't fit the circle jerk narrative and those two are being sold anyway so what's the point.90 + posts in a Cleverley thread when he did good in poor conditions.
Nothing in the Nani and Hernandez threads when they offered nothing in said conditions.
That's all well and good, most will happily get behind him I'm sure. However if he's somehow the reason that we don't sign another central midfielder well then people are going to be rightly pissed off. SAF failed to address it for long enough because of his bizarre faith in Anderson and Hargreaves who was never going to return. A lot of posters including myself are afraid of a similar trend happening all over again.And do you reckon your average football fan talks as much sense and knows more than people like Eric Harrison, Fabio Cappello, Roy Hodgson, Sir Alex Ferguson and seemingly Louis Van Gaal ?
He made a couple of errors today, that much is true, he wasn't awful and he has played less than 100 competitive games for us, give LVG 6 months with him and we can see from there. Until then, just get behind him.
That's a bit harsh, I thought the general consensus was that is short pass and move game in the final third was his best attribute? I can't see him ever being a proper DM or deep lying playmaker, he just doesn't have the tools.The thing is he's actually learning some defending. Its the one thing thats improved with him over the last 18 months instead of regressing. So maybe after another half a season learning he'll be able to play the deepest role in midfield. Maybe.
Having him as Herrera's backup is like having Djemba Djemba as Roy Keane's backup