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srsly.Atalanta
Mane has been in poor form (hence Sancho> Mane) for over a year and Cavani is a better player than Jota or Firmino from last season.You nearly did so well and then you choose to argue over Matip > Varane, ffs
If VVD returns to full strength, I'd want Bruno, Pogba and Varane into our first XI. That's it.
I don't think you're going to enjoy this season much if you really believe that.I don’t get what people see in Chelsea. A United reject is their top earner. Kante is perhaps the only player is their team that is worth having. Even though I believe that Lukaku was underrated at United, that is two players that are top class. Rest of their squad are good players on paper.
Possibly on squad but Utds first 11 is a fair bit stronger to be honest.In terms of squad depth I’d say (a little bias ofc) Chelsea has a deeper squad depth than Man Utd. Really the only position your depth is stronger than ours is Goalkeeper. Man for man people struggle to pin who has the stronger 11, replace all those with squad players and your only stronger than us in GK position, let’s be real here.
I both agree and disagree..
Agree that Bayern dont have a top-tier squad
Disagree that Bayern is overrated as they dó have a top-tier team (awesomely managed team).
We don't need to talk about the striker or midfield. Their weakness is a defense that is basically brand new, with untested players. In the past Bayern could rely on Boateng and Alaba for just baller experience in high pressure games. Were they shaky last season? Sure, but they were a known factor. Davies is turning out to be a jewel, so I'm not worried about the left side. The right side is - as always since Lahm's departure - the achilles heel. Kimmich could do the job, but he doesn't want to.Where are the weaknesses in the squad in your view ? Who will finish ahead of them. Or is this some type of reverse jinx
Di Maria was MOTM v Burnley in his PL debutYes, is it not a valid question? Did Di Maria do it against Burnley? Should we have asked at the time before wasting all that money?
Don't agree with Pavard and Gnabry. The others, yes.
I think these are both reasonable takes and cheers for sharing your perspectives!First 3 comfortably make it. Goretzka over Pogba? Hmmm doubt it.
Pavard doesn’t make it over AWB.
Gnabry/Coman v Rashford is a debate. But not comfortable.
So like I said, only 3 “walk in” to our starting 11.
Mane had 11 goals and 7 assists in 31 starts.Mane has been in poor form (hence Sancho> Mane) for over a year and Cavani is a better player than Jota or Firmino from last season.
There are alot of uncertainties with your team as we dont know how VVD and Matip will do following the injuries.
Isn't that a more reasonable claim than Henderson being better than Pogba pound for pound?'VvD = Maguire' ended any more interest for me in this thread. And he was being serious as well.
Th is, and i am saying thats as a Bayern supporter. There has been a significant drain of talent since the magnificent CL title season: Thiago, Alaba, Boateng. Others have faded in form, like Davies or Gnabry (a bit). Neuer and Müller have not gotten younger. The replacements like Hernandez, Nianzou, Musiala or Upamecano have yet to prove they are able to play on the same level. fthe CL team also had high class bench options forthe attack in Coutinho and Perisic, who have not been replaced at all. Only option is Musiala, who is superbly talented but only 18… Sane is struggling, Tolisso constantly underperforming, Süle is regressing and out of favor, Sarr, Roca and Cuisance have been abysmal - all these are up for sale with little interest from buyers. Coman who was the best performer behind Lewa in attack may be in his last year at the club, super fragile and there is no adequate backup on the bench.Bayern is not Tier 1 atm. And certainly not #3 in Europe. People are overrating them based on past glory. Mark my words, they will fall this year and 10 in a row won't happen.
Not to me. Pogba is clearly more talented and can turn out higher level of performances, but in terms of what they each contribute to the team over a season, I reckon Henderson takes it.Isn't that a more reasonable claim than Henderson being better than Pogba pound for pound?
And Pogba.Right now Real is 7-8th, but there's a chance that next year, Mbappe, Haaland and Camavinga join as free agents... then I'd rate Real as 3rd, even 2nd.
Agreed. Based on last year, where VVD missed the whole season (and no guarantees hes coming back near what he was), I would say Maguire is better than VVD.'VvD = Maguire' ended any more interest for me in this thread. And he was being serious as well.
Ole's been on the job for two-and-a-half seasons, spent loads of money and is yet to win a trophy. If all it takes for him to keep the job is finishing in the top four and not being embarrassed in Europe, I'd say the standards at United are starting to resemble post-Invincibles Arsenal, except they didn't have your money.Is the pressure really on him, though? As long as he finishes top 4 and we don't get embarrassed too much in the CL, he'll keep his job and the support of the majority of the fans, no?
The big competitions will be contested by the oil clubs this year and most people seem to have made their peace with that.
Standards at the club have dropped significantly in the last eight years. I don't think anyone could possibly argue with that.Ole's been on the job for two-and-a-half seasons, spent loads of money and is yet to win a trophy. If all it takes for him to keep the job is finishing in the top four and not being embarrassed in Europe, I'd say the standards at United are starting to resemble post-Invincibles Arsenal, except they didn't have your money.
Agreed. Since I did play a full season of Sunday league last year, I also consider myself a better player than Van Dijk at the moment.Agreed. Based on last year, where VVD missed the whole season (and no guarantees hes coming back near what he was), I would say Maguire is better than VVD.
Yeah, because Sunday League and the Prem are comparableAgreed. Since I did play a full season of Sunday league last year, I also consider myself a better player than Van Dijk at the moment.
I rate Maguire. He's just not nearly on the same level as Van Dijk, and to conclude that he's suddenly a better player just because Van Dijk has been injured is too much for me. That's what I was aiming at with my comment.Yeah, because Sunday League and the Prem are comparable
Maguire had a pretty good Euros too. If his and Dias' performances were swapped at the Euros, you wouldn't hear the end of how overrated Maguire is from the media.
That's fair. You do usually lose some explosivity following an ACL - I'd still expect VVD to be a really good defender, dominant in the air, excellent on the ball etc, but perhaps missing a yard or two of pace with a drop off in acceleration. I guess that would have been coming anyway, now that he's the wrong side of 30, but the ACL has probably accelerated things a bit in term of a physical decline. Will still be among the top 5 CBs in the league I expect.I rate Maguire. He's just not nearly on the same level as Van Dijk, and to conclude that he's suddenly a better player just because Van Dijk has been injured is too much for me. That's what I was aiming at with my comment.
Think it would be fair to say that the jury is still out on him but if he's just anywhere near his level pre-injury, he's comfortably a better defender and overall player than Maguire. It's a tough injury but ACL's aren't as difficult to come back from anymore as they used to be either, so let's see how it plays out.
I started it, kinda got triggered on purpose. That lot should just keep quite for a while.Hate to say it, but you won’t win arguing with a pool supporter. Such a rookie mistake
Having Liverpool that high feels like you're looking through the lens of this being 2019 instead of 2021. Mane and Firmino have been declining with the latter being frustratingly bad in front of goal for a "9". They lost Wijnaldum while Thiago was questionable in his impact last year and Henderson is yet another year older. The backline all falls on how VVD recovers and whether Konate can settle and stay healthy.PSG and City pick themselves I think. I rate Liverpool's starting XI higher than Chelsea and United's, possibly even higher than City's still, but their squad depth doesn't do them any favours. Really, I think there's very little separating 3-6 on my list, similarly there's little separating Real and Atletico. Barcelona a rung or two below due to obviously just losing Messi and a few gaping holes in their team, Juventus round out my top 10 overtaking Inter Milan due to the latter being picked apart.
With a really good midfield addition I think we'd create a gap between ourselves and Bayern as midfield is the big area we look weak compared to the other teams on the list.
- PSG
- City
- Liverpool
- Chelsea
- Bayern
- United
- A.Madrid
- R.Madrid
- Barcelona
- Juventus
He's kinda old and not very good.And Pogba.
Let's arrange it a bit better than your biased view:As per exact positions played:
Alisson -> Henderson/DdG
Trent -> AWB
Matip <- Varane
VvD -> Maguire
Robertson <- Shaw
Fab -> McTom
Capn Fantastic Hendo -> Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Salah -> Sancho
Jota -> Only 20minsInTheTank Cavani
Mane -> Rashford
That's 8 players versus 3. I think "clearly" covers it. You could argue one or two players (Cavani, Pogba) but then equally so could I (Robbo, Matip).
Eden Hazard was one of the best players from PL, and until now has been a flop in La Liga.I haven't seen Varane against the likes of Burnley, City, Leicester, etc, yet. I have with Matip and he's been outstanding. Di Maria came from Spain with a huge rep too. Couldn't handle it here. Not even for a second.
Maguire is better than Matip and VvD is better than VaraneLet's arrange it a bit better than your biased view:
Alisson -> Henderson/De gea
Trent -> AWB
Matip = Maguire
VvD = Varane
Robertson = Shaw
Fabinho -> McTom
Henderson <- Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Salah -> Sancho
Jota/Firmino <- Cavani
Mane -> Rashford's
That's 5 players where you are clearly better and 3 United clearly is, while 3 is tied. Of your 5 that is clearly better some United fans will argue they prefer our options of Sancho and Rashford to your options in those positions based on the potential level they could reach and of our 3 some of your fans would argue they prefer Henderson and Firmino for the kind of system your team plays. But all in all I think the above comparison is fair enough.
He's not wrong. You guys are definitely below us. We have the best defence in the league on Paper. Shaw Maguire Varane AWB. Then we have Pogba AND Bruno! And upfront Rashford Sancho Greenwood Martial and Cavani. We are first or second on Paper in the league without a doubt.
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He's not wrong. You guys are definitely below us. We have the best defence in the league on Paper. Shaw Maguire Varane AWB. Then we have Pogba AND Bruno! And upfront Rashford Sancho Greenwood Martial and Cavani. We are first or second on Paper in the league without a doubt.
Reverse is also true. VvD is better than Maguire and Varane is better than Matip. What matters most, is who works better as a unit. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.Maguire is better than Matip and VvD is better than Varane
I don't agree VvD is better than Varane but that's just my opinion.Maguire is better than Matip and VvD is better than Varane