Pretty much. It's the same premium Evan Ferguson received two years back. Now he's (almost) available for a free. Same thing happened with Sancho and Grealish a while back, not to forget the Chelsea buys. We should avoid getting pulled into these hypes and stick with proper scouting instead.
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I like that comparison. Not so much for the premiums and fees, as he's got a year left on his contract with a club that just gave his agent instructions on how to pull their trousers down. But I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a similar early career trajectory in Dibling.
I feel like Bournemouth would be a good fit for him, would suit their style of play IMO and they need an upgrade at RW. Plus they're good at developing young players (and have an excellent manager currently) and it's right next door to Southampton if being away from home is still an issue for him.
Obviously it goes without saying, they aren't going to be able to afford to stump up anywhere near £100m but nobody in their right mind would.
I'm not sure I see him going much higher than that immediately. Villa could be another option as they are lacking quality others in that position as well, but I don't think he'll provide the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle what they need exactly as they'll probably be looking for more proven goals and end product in that position.
Obviously it goes without saying, they aren't going to be able to afford to stump up anywhere near £100m but nobody in their right mind would.
I'm not sure I see him going much higher than that immediately. Villa could be another option as they are lacking quality others in that position as well, but I don't think he'll provide the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle what they need exactly as they'll probably be looking for more proven goals and end product in that position.
That's a relief.
This lad returned to Southampton from Chelsea after just a couple of weeks. I haven’t seen what the terms were but after paying £1.5 million my guess is that the way Chelsea work there would be a significant sell on clause but the real concern for any club looking at forking out a vast sum.
It was said that he looked at the potential pathway at Chelsea once he shipped up at Cobham and couldn’t see any way he would break into the first team. It was also said he was homesick. Bearing in mind Cobham is barely an hours drive from Southampton that’s interesting.
In effect you have a youngster not confident in his own ability.
Ok he is a decent prospect but that’s it at most he is a £15-£25 million player
Can you put sell-on clauses in for youth players? Had he even signed a pro contract? Wikipedia says he signed his first one in 2023 when he went back to Southampton.
Honestly, I think they already have a better young English attacking midfielder who can't get near their team in Alex Scott, though they've been really unlucky with injuries there.
And yet I still think we'll end up going for him, without much justification.
It’s a good question.
Normal scholarship transfers come with a compensation package. These compensation packages are often agreed between the clubs without the need to go to a tribunal. They
From memory I believe tribunals have added clauses re potential transfer fees when they have arrived at compensation packages so on that basis I would imagine that the way Chelsea operate and the example of Ethan Ampadu may well give us a clue
https://www.devonlive.com/sport/football/football-news/what-know-far-chelsea-exeter-781193
100m ? Far too risky, not for us.
Posturing by Southampton, similar to what we have been doing with Branthwaite. Unfortunately for them, they're going to be relegated which significantly weakens their bargaining chip.
100m are peanuts, let's get him.
Jokes aside, not sure why Southampton briefed something like this, eventually they gonna sell, and most they will get is 50M total, unnecessary by them, they could say things like he is not for sale he is key to the project etc... but saying only 100m will be accepted is silly
Jokes aside, not sure why Southampton briefed something like this, eventually they gonna sell, and most they will get is 50M total, unnecessary by them, they could say things like he is not for sale he is key to the project etc... but saying only 100m will be accepted is silly
Insane posturing this
Young players won't want to be tied down there if they are priced out of a move when the time is right
Young players won't want to be tied down there if they are priced out of a move when the time is right
Ronaldo’s stats at similar age weren’t great.
His contract expires in 2026. It's 30m tops or having him for a season in the championship before he leaves on a free.
All this has accomplished is ensuring that Dibling won't sign an extension.
All this has accomplished is ensuring that Dibling won't sign an extension.
Not just that, it’ll put their other promising young players off signing a long contract with them. Silly stance by Southampton.
Could you blame him? What shows he's not confident in his own ability?
Chelsea had just spent 600m on players including a load of wingers. Of course his path to the first team was going to be blocked.
Is a 16 year old really going to think he can get into the team ahead of these guys the club has spent 100s of millions on?
Maybe he should be commended for having the confidence to see the better path for his development was back at his home town club. He only went to Chelsea for about 2 months and went back to Southampton, a year later he's playing first team football and a getting promoted to the PL.
Worth about £25m currently. Big potential but buying young English players like this isn't for us these days. We can't be held to ransom by these English clubs to pay even £50m for a young and unproven player because frankly, we don't have £50m... And need players in various positions.
True.
But we didn't need Ronaldo to come in and hit the ground running. We had other players to take that burden.
But whoever we sign now has to. We need goals and assists immediately.
Ronaldo had no record when we signed him and it took him two to three seasons to start scoring once here.
The club in its current shape can't wait that long. Neither can the manager.
I wouldn't even fancy a 40-50M fee for him. We need proven players. He has 2 goals no assists this season, sure he plays for arguably the worst team in EPL's history but still those are really poor numbers.
Chelsea hadn’t “ just spent £600 million” by the date he re signed for Southampton he was at Chelsea for 35 days ( signed 29/7 from Southampton transferred back to them on 1/9 )
During the period 29/7- 31/8 Chelsea signed 5 players a centre back Fofana, a left back Cucerella, two midfielders Chukwuemeka and Casado and a goalkeeper Sloanina. Other signings made in the window such as Sterling didn’t arrive during the time he was at Chelsea.
Ironically over the last few years the number of academy youngsters at Chelsea progressing to the first team is actually up there some suggested that the blocking was the quality of player he was up against at academy level
So if he knew he wasn’t going to get straight into the first team ( which was always going to be a no no ) why sign if he didn’t genuinely believe he could develop at Chelsea ? As for his home team club that would have meant him going back to Exeter
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Oh yeah, they only spent 600m during the whole season, forgot they spent about 300m of that in January. So, his path was even more blocked after that.
I was only going off by what he said about being back home when going back to Southampton. Didn't realise he was from Exeter.
Clearly he didn't see a path for himself at Chelsea and felt he'd be better served by returning to Southampton. Which by all accounts seems like it was the better decision.
Had he not signed in the first place then I might well buy into the clear pathway argument but to sign knowing what he did about Chelsea then sorry I just don’t see it .
To be fair he did say he felt more at home at Southampton but as an academy director once said to me when talking about Le Tiss he felt that some players become too comfortable at a club and I genuinely wonder if Dibling was far more comfortable being the number one talent at Southamptons academy as opposed to being one of a number at Chelsea.
Like so many things we only know what is actually in the public domain and whilst he does indeed have certain traits skill wise his stats are nothing to write home about and not quite sure I can see a player with other than displaying a degree if potential who is a country mile away from the finished article
Fair point to some extent, though we took hit on Becks leaving in short term.
I actually think we be better seeking in long term. Grow something like we did after Becks left…Adding Rooney and Ronaldo. The only problem finding those two!
It could be that he went there with the idea that he could break through, or maybe promises were made. We don't know. What we do know is that he realised fairly quickly it wasn't going to work out. Now at 19, he's got 2 years of first team football under him and he almost certainly wouldn't have got that at Chelsea.
He's certainly got a lot of talent, is he worth 100m? Not a chance, but there's a good player in there, I think he'll more than likely end up at Grealish/Villa level.
Just don't think we've got the conditions to wait three years for youth players to hopefully come good. One or two maybe. Not six or seven of them.
Didn't it take Ronaldo three season to get a UCL goal?
Amorim won't last 18 months if his wide forwards are producing those numbers. Just look at this season.
I feel like the English media are really pushing some players recently. We need to take a step back and not jump on hyped players.
Yes…he was exciting without producing much other than defenders having to double up.
Do we have conditions to be successful in less than three years? Skint with average squad.
On Dibling specific not sure how good he will be. But always impressed by players who create more time than is usual. Probably need 5 player so 20/30 mill is range for summer.
I'll be happy to keep on missing out on the likes of Branthwaite in favour of finding players like Heaven.
Supposed Heaven had been playing for teams like Everton/Southampton/Wolves etc. and showed a similar level of performance over the last few matches, the media would be talking about figures of 30-50M.
It doesn't. They had a 1 year option - it ends in 2027.
I dunno.
I’m thinking against weaker teams we could play Nacho and Dibling in the WB roles and play attacking AF
Said it before and I’ll say it again, would much rather have Rigg than Dibling.
However
Rigg
Dibling
Top class striker
Would be a decent summer to build a foundation
However
Rigg
Dibling
Top class striker
Would be a decent summer to build a foundation
I'm going to get bombarded for this -
But I think Dibling could be as good as Trincao at the same age.
I actually think it makes sense for Ineos to go for Dibling because we as a club need to stop buying players that fit only the manager currently in charge & we need to buy players that can be utilised by our managers of the next 10 years.
He is obviously not worth 100million, but at third of that price then I think its a good deal for all.
But I think Dibling could be as good as Trincao at the same age.
I actually think it makes sense for Ineos to go for Dibling because we as a club need to stop buying players that fit only the manager currently in charge & we need to buy players that can be utilised by our managers of the next 10 years.
He is obviously not worth 100million, but at third of that price then I think its a good deal for all.
He is obviously a talented footballer. But one season in the premier league. Would be a suicidal. No club is paying that
He's just turned 19, despite the usual crowd of folks queuing up to knock him down*, be in no doubt he's got all the tools to be a top player**.
He's quick, he's got a good eye for a pass, he's direct, he's technically strong and he's brave.
£100m is absolutely ludicrous though, and nobody will be paying even close to that. It's £50m absolute top, top end, if a bidding war begins and, let's face it, Chelsea***, end up going way overboard.
* "anybody can put their foot through a Picasso" Brian Clough.
**has the tools, but still needs to be developed and continue to work hard.
***the only club stupid enough / reckless enough now we have INEOS
He's quick, he's got a good eye for a pass, he's direct, he's technically strong and he's brave.
£100m is absolutely ludicrous though, and nobody will be paying even close to that. It's £50m absolute top, top end, if a bidding war begins and, let's face it, Chelsea***, end up going way overboard.
* "anybody can put their foot through a Picasso" Brian Clough.
**has the tools, but still needs to be developed and continue to work hard.
***the only club stupid enough / reckless enough now we have INEOS
Absurd use of the laughter emoji here. Yes of course Ronaldinho has lifted trophies Harry never will, but Ronaldinho had vastly superior teammates both for club and country.
Have doubt on his potential. He looks like a young Jack Grealish. But it really took a long way for Grealish to develop into his prime till his 26 year old and made to big club. At this moment we could entertain a recruitment attempt for prime Grealish, but definitely not a 7-year away one with doubt if ever he can achieve the same level.
Not to mention the ask price is the same as the prime Grealish.
If it's 20M or free transfer next year, we do can try to lure him in with a promising project. However, his better next step would be like Brighten, Bournemouth, Spurs.
Not to mention the ask price is the same as the prime Grealish.
If it's 20M or free transfer next year, we do can try to lure him in with a promising project. However, his better next step would be like Brighten, Bournemouth, Spurs.
Maybe the Tel fee is a factor they're basing the valuation on.
Ronaldinho’s one of the greatest players of all time. Harry Kane is world class but he won’t be in the conversation for best of all time.
Come on, the only right reaction to the claim that prime Kane is close to prime Ronaldinho are laughter emotions. Ronaldinho didnt have a very long prime but during his prime Ronaldinho was crazy. Ronaldinho got a standing ovation from Real Madrid fans as a Barcelona player while destroying the Real Madrid defense.
Ronaldinho is an all time great, Kane will be remembered as one of the better strikers of his generation.