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He was never going to play so that’s irrelevant.Is he suspended tomorrow?
He was never going to play so that’s irrelevant.Is he suspended tomorrow?
I don't think people are ready for something like this to happen. Something like this would result in a barrage of doom-and-gloom reactions ("Game's gone" and the whole shebang).I think Utd need to do something about the treatment Hannibal continues to receive by the opposition (and the refs!).
ok missed that first bookingHe was booked in the 35th minute
Was wondering where you were going with Silence of the Rams.Harsh on Hannibal, that, not like he ate his sister or anything.
No United players have been hurt. Playing against 10 men is a good development opportunity for them. Be a pity (and a poor reflection on their character) if they raise the white flag now.I don't think United will be willing to battle for a result anymore. Down to 10 men, 3-1 down, and Derby are more willing to battle for a win here. I say let them have it and let the season end. The last thing I want is for more United players to get hurt.
Nope, no booking for him, probably in retaliation to Hannibal waving an imaginary card (adding insult to injury, basically)Did the Derby man get booked for pulling back Hannibal - as Taylor had been booked for it moments earlier?
That was not my question.He was never going to play so that’s irrelevant.
Other than Mark Helm, sure, no one else has. Whilst I appreciate the test for the United players who are currently out there, the Derby players are still trying really hard to get a win, particularly when we try and go for it. Just now, Shola got stamped on his foot by a Derby player in his own half.No United players have been hurt. Playing against 10 men is a good development opportunity for them. Be a pity (and a poor reflection on their character) if they raise the white flag now.
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Bloody frustrating.Nope, no booking for him, probably in retaliation to Hannibal waving an imaginary card (adding insult to injury, basically)
Indeed. That was your answer though.That was not my question.
I know, how dare he have skills and flamboyant hair. Basically asking for it.Bloody frustrating.
The refs just seem to accept fouls on Hannibal and hardly ever book / send off the players. It's as if they feel he 'asks for it'. Not booking an almost identical pull back to Taylor's moments earlier - and then sending off Hannibal instead - is a fitting way to end the season as regards the way the U23 refs have handled him all season.
What's even more annoying is that he isn't diving himself about or going down at the slightest bit of contact. He's pretty much getting the Messi treatment at this level without any iota of protection that Messi tends to get at the top level.Bloody frustrating.
The refs just seem to accept fouls on Hannibal and hardly ever book / send off the players. It's as if they feel he 'asks for it'. Not booking an almost identical pull back to Taylor's moments earlier - and then sending off Hannibal instead - is a fitting way to end the season as regards the way the U23 refs have handled him all season.
Yes I agree Hannibal needs moving up in order to be protected.Experience gained in a nothing game for McNeil and Hansen. Excited to see how they do next year. Hannibal should be moved up. The refs at this level aren’t protecting him. At least he’d win valuable fouls at senior.
Hannibal was stupid today. There really isn’t any excuse for that sort of petulance. It’s not on players to lecture referees about who they do and don’t book. Especially when he was already walking a tightrope after being booked for dissent once already.Bloody frustrating.
The refs just seem to accept fouls on Hannibal and hardly ever book / send off the players. It's as if they feel he 'asks for it'. Not booking an almost identical pull back to Taylor's moments earlier - and then sending off Hannibal instead - is a fitting way to end the season as regards the way the U23 refs have handled him all season.
Play him nearer to the opposition penalty box and let them foul him all they want there.Hannibal was stupid today. There really isn’t any excuse for that sort of petulance. It’s not on players to lecture referees about who they do and don’t book. Especially when he was already walking a tightrope after being booked for dissent once already.
On the plus side, it’s a good learning experience for him. He’ll need to get a much better hold on his temper if/when he gets first team minutes against much more experienced, bigger, stronger and more cynical opponents.
A reminder that being a gobby twat to the referee will rarely make them treat your team favourably.a reminder that we have received 6 bookings to their 1 tonight
Maybe if the referee has a micropenisA reminder that being a gobby twat to the referee will rarely make them treat your team favourably.
3 for dissent, and 3 for challenges that Derby players haven't been booked for when they performed themA reminder that being a gobby twat to the referee will rarely make them treat your team favourably.
Totally agree, he is very promising but has a bit of an attitude problem that he needs to work on. I mean he didn't just wave an imaginary card, he held one in front of the ref's face. So arrogant, and definitely deserved a yellow. And when you do that you can't complain if the other guy gets away with it.Hannibal was stupid today. There really isn’t any excuse for that sort of petulance. It’s not on players to lecture referees about who they do and don’t book. Especially when he was already walking a tightrope after being booked for dissent once already.
On the plus side, it’s a good learning experience for him. He’ll need to get a much better hold on his temper if/when he gets first team minutes against much more experienced, bigger, stronger and more cynical opponents.
Players 'verbally lecture' refs all the time asking for an opponent to be booked, a penalty overturned, goal disallowed, etc, and rarely get a booking in return. Even when there's loads of them round the ref.Hannibal was stupid today. There really isn’t any excuse for that sort of petulance. It’s not on players to lecture referees about who they do and don’t book. Especially when he was already walking a tightrope after being booked for dissent once already.
On the plus side, it’s a good learning experience for him. He’ll need to get a much better hold on his temper if/when he gets first team minutes against much more experienced, bigger, stronger and more cynical opponents.
As per what @sincher said above, this was far from the standard card waving gestures or backchat you get in senior football. He would get booked for that level of dissent every single time. At any level, under any referee.Players 'verbally lecture' refs all the time asking for an opponent to be booked, a penalty overturned, goal disallowed, etc, and rarely get a booking in return. Even when there's loads of them round the ref.
It's one person waving an imaginary card that seems to immediately be deemed to warrant a booking in England. Why that's worse than verbally demanding it, especially in a flock, I don't really get, but that's what happens over here.
Hannibal needs to learn and accept that. But it's still a joke that players don't get booked for some of the almost assaults they commit on him at U23 level, yet they ref by the letter of the law for dissent, pulling a shirt, being last man, etc.
I have a feeling it’s his final day of school feck you to the refs at this level. The club have even had to comment on it in the past. I don’t recall them having to do that for any other player at this level. Some of the fouls on him this year were unsporting and the refs did very little to protect him. He’ll probably not play u23s again anyway beyond the very odd game for sharpness. I think his aggression is what might just help him surprise a few people if he’s given a shot in the rotation next year.Hannibal was stupid today. There really isn’t any excuse for that sort of petulance. It’s not on players to lecture referees about who they do and don’t book. Especially when he was already walking a tightrope after being booked for dissent once already.
On the plus side, it’s a good learning experience for him. He’ll need to get a much better hold on his temper if/when he gets first team minutes against much more experienced, bigger, stronger and more cynical opponents.
The refs this year have been a joke. He's gotten kicked to pieces week in week out, it's no wonder he's finally seen red, so to speak.I have a feeling it’s his final day of school feck you to the refs at this level. The club have even had to comment on it in the past. I don’t recall them having to do that for any other player at this level. Some of the fouls on him this year were unsporting and the refs did very little to protect him. He’ll probably not play u23s again anyway beyond the very odd game for sharpness. I think his aggression is what might just help him surprise a few people if he’s given a shot in the rotation next year.
I think we’d be kidding ourselves to assume he’ll get a hell of a lot more protection from PL referees, never mind if he goes out on loan to a Championship team like Garner did (which might be a better next move) Look at Grealish. He plays in a similar way to Hannibal and gets the living shit kicked out of him every week. Imagine he shoved an imaginary yellow card up the referee’s nose every time he got a tug on his shirt?!I have a feeling it’s his final day of school feck you to the refs at this level. The club have even had to comment on it in the past. I don’t recall them having to do that for any other player at this level. Some of the fouls on him this year were unsporting and the refs did very little to protect him. He’ll probably not play u23s again anyway beyond the very odd game for sharpness. I think his aggression is what might just help him surprise a few people if he’s given a shot in the rotation next year.