Schneckerl
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Really annoyed by the ref in the Utd - Barca game, so inconsistent how he gave yellow cards.
Couldn't be more clear than that, lost his position, pulled him and prevented him getting to the ball.The one where he talked to the VAR? Wouldnt call that clear honestly, almost nothing in it if you ask me.
If we won the CL I would wank myself in to oblivion.Glaston will proclaim himself King of Redcafe if Spurs win the CL.
It will be like hell on earth.
^Will players getting their third yellow card of the competition in the next game be suspended for the semifinals?
I read yellow cards are wiped off after the quarters but not sure if the suspensions stand or not.
No-one told me the famous cheese room was a DIY project.If we won the CL I would wank myself in to oblivion.
nope literally zero replacement. only options are Blind to left back but then break up our defensive pairing, with magallan taking his cb spot, which was what we did against Feyenoord and lost 6-2. Other option would be playing Sinkgraven there who did well in that position under Bosz but has then been out for a year and a half with an injury and is an unknown quantity at this point though hasn't impressed in the few minutes he's been given (such as the second half in that 6-2 loss...)Meanwhile Juve had 1 shot on target all game
How will you play in the second leg with Tagliafico out? Is he a big miss or do you have a good replacement?
Thanks for the detailed reply. Keeping this CB pairing should definitely be the priority so that makes sense.nope literally zero replacement. only options are Blind to left back but then break up our defensive pairing, with magallan taking his cb spot, which was what we did against Feyenoord and lost 6-2. Other option would be playing Sinkgraven there who did well in that position under Bosz but has then been out for a year and a half with an injury and is an unknown quantity at this point though hasn't impressed in the few minutes he's been given (such as the second half in that 6-2 loss...)
The third option and the one I suspect will be Ten Hag's choice will be the usual right back Mazraoui, who was suspended tonight, as left back with veltman staying as the right back. Tagliafico is incredibly important defensively and offensively for keeping the width (bombed up there tonight as well) and we're going to be missing that massively whichever option we go for
I will revisit this post in the event of a Spurs CL triumph.If we won the CL I would wank myself in to oblivion.
Or Pogba putting in a performance for 90 minutesI will revisit this post in the event of a Spurs CL triumph.
Wouldn't worry too much, there is more chance of Salah playing 90 minutes without a controversial moment occurring than Spurs winning a trophy.
There is both Mazraoui and Rasmus Kristensen who could play RB or LB (in my experience backs can play on either wing reasonably well, the job isn’t different aside from mirrored) and yeah, Veltman could be placed LB when either of the above plays RB. Sinkgraven is probably still recuperating.nope literally zero replacement. only options are Blind to left back but then break up our defensive pairing, with magallan taking his cb spot, which was what we did against Feyenoord and lost 6-2. Other option would be playing Sinkgraven there who did well in that position under Bosz but has then been out for a year and a half with an injury and is an unknown quantity at this point though hasn't impressed in the few minutes he's been given (such as the second half in that 6-2 loss...)
The third option and the one I suspect will be Ten Hag's choice will be the usual right back Mazraoui, who was suspended tonight, as left back with veltman staying as the right back. Tagliafico is incredibly important defensively and offensively for keeping the width (bombed up there tonight as well) and we're going to be missing that massively whichever option we go for
Couldnt be more clear? Really? He has a hand on his shoulder, that's not pulling. He's not getting the ball anyway so decides to try and get a pen.Couldn't be more clear than that, lost his position, pulled him and prevented him getting to the ball.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/bbrt03/controversial_foul_in_ajax_penalty_box_from/
VAR made a decision in under 5 seconds. Ref didn't even go to check it.
He pulled him with both hands... first with the right then with the left. Rugani could have definitely got to the ball if he wasn’t being held down. He fell theatrically but it is a foul and if he doesn’t fall they never call it.Couldnt be more clear? Really? He has a hand on his shoulder, that's not pulling. He's not getting the ball anyway so decides to try and get a pen.
Especially with Kane outI will revisit this post in the event of a Spurs CL triumph.
Wouldn't worry too much, there is more chance of Salah playing 90 minutes without a controversial moment occurring than Spurs winning a trophy.
Because the instructions are that the VAR only lets the ref check when he makes an obvious mistake. And it wasn't. Anyway. It wasn't given. Carry on.He pulled him with both hands... first with the right then with the left. Rugani could have definitely got to the ball if he wasn’t being held down. He fell theatrically but it is a foul and if he doesn’t fall they never call it.
How that didn’t warrant for the ref to go check it is beyond me, especially since the VAR guys decided it wasn’t a penalty after 5 seconds. It was genuinely the fastest VAR decision I’ve ever seen.
Maybe I’m too used to the Portuguese use of VAR where every decision takes 5 minutesBecause the instructions are that the VAR only lets the ref check when he makes an obvious mistake. And it wasn't. Anyway. It wasn't given. Carry on.
This is a depressingly accurate evaluation, unfortunately.You're not unlucky if you fail to have a shot on target in an entire game.
Yeah Barca were crap too, but United only have themselves to blame for being so blunt in attack. Zero quality or invention in the final third, made life difficult for Barca with their pressing but were very easy to defend against.
Barca showed their quality to get the goal and then the onus was on United to come back, but they showed far too little when it came to the crunch. I too thought they were playing well early in the first half, but as the game went on it became increasingly clear they weren't going to create clear cut opportunities at all.
He does hold him with both hands, but it's just so soft. Honestly, viewing it a couple of times, I understand what you mean, but still, I don't think it's a glaring mistake by the ref.He pulled him with both hands... first with the right then with the left. Rugani could have definitely got to the ball if he wasn’t being held down. He fell theatrically but it is a foul and if he doesn’t fall they never call it.
How that didn’t warrant for the ref to go check it is beyond me, especially since the VAR guys decided it wasn’t a penalty after 5 seconds. It was genuinely the fastest VAR decision I’ve ever seen.
VAR did indeed check it, said it wasn't anything, so the ref wouldn't need to check. If the VAR was convinced there was something, or could be something (and they'd have seen it 4 times by then), then the ref would have been called to see it for himself. As such, it only took less than half a minute, so proper use of the VAR IMO. The VAR shouldn't needlessly cost time just to get every decision "right" (it's still subjective). It should remain streamlined or every match would cost 10-20 minutes extra, which would create problems both in frustration with supporters, but also with logistics for supporters and tv broadcasting. Calls should be made within half a minute to a minute tops and only if there's a really clear cut case for a second opinion (like the bad off-side call with regards to Suarez) and in other situations the benefit of the doubt should be given to the defending party.He pulled him with both hands... first with the right then with the left. Rugani could have definitely got to the ball if he wasn’t being held down. He fell theatrically but it is a foul and if he doesn’t fall they never call it.
How that didn’t warrant for the ref to go check it is beyond me, especially since the VAR guys decided it wasn’t a penalty after 5 seconds. It was genuinely the fastest VAR decision I’ve ever seen.
This, and don't be fooled by the "Italians don't want to have the ball" argument.Ajax vs Juve match stats (source: The Guardian):
Possession:
61% vs 39%Goal attempts:
wide: 8 vs 5Corners:
on target: 8 vs 1
4 vs 3Fouls:
13 vs 8
Was already surprised by the possession stats shown earlier, which were more along the lines of 53%-47%, sure didn't feel like that was accurate, so 61% seems closer. Ajax clearly had the upper hand and could, if not should have done mor with it. Still, better result than against Madrid.
VAR did indeed check it, said it wasn't anything, so the ref wouldn't need to check. If the VAR was convinced there was something, or could be something (and they'd have seen it 4 times by then), then the ref would have been called to see it for himself. As such, it only took less than half a minute, so proper use of the VAR IMO. The VAR shouldn't needlessly cost time just to get every decision "right" (it's still subjective). It should remain streamlined or every match would cost 10-20 minutes extra, which would create problems both in frustration with supporters, but also with logistics for supporters and tv broadcasting. Calls should be made within half a minute to a minute tops and only if there's a really clear cut case for a second opinion (like the bad off-side call with regards to Suarez) and in other situations the benefit of the doubt should be given to the defending party.
Refs are still getting the hang of the VAR, so expect them to sometimes take too much time, sometimes too little. Either way, I've seen Italians push Tadic with two hands for worse to win a header without Tadic getting a free kick as well, but did that warrant a VAR response? Ref still should be allowed to make decisions for the good of the match flow and in the spirit of the game. Tadic being stepped on his toe and kicked on his heel in one move by Bonucci could have been a yellow card as well, but VAR didn't check. The ref noticed a foul, but didn't assign a card, just handed out a warning. That's the ref's prerogative.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the shoulder touch was extremely light, not forcing anyone to the ground and Rugani was nowhere near the ball, hence it's not a penalty and a very clear showdive by someone who failed to position himself properly, noticed he couldn't make it as it would have been out of reach anyway, felt a touch and decided to try for a penalty. IMO, if anything, it should have been a yellow card for theatrics. Too few of those being handed out, so hope VAR will do something about those. Doubt it though.
Speaking of stats:
CL 2019 Matches played
Ajax.........9 4 4 1 17-9...M W D L G
Barcelona.9 6 3 0 20-6
FC Porto...9 5 2 2 19-11
Juventus...9 5 1 3 13-7
Liverpool..9 5 1 3 14-8
Man City...9 4 1 2 26-9
Man Utd....9 4 1 4 10-7
Tot. Hots...9 5 2 2 14-10
Including CL qualification matches:
Ajax.........15 8 6 1 30-13...M W D L G
Barcelona.9 6 3 0 20-6
FC Porto...9 5 2 2 19-11
Juventus...9 5 1 3 13-7
Liverpool..9 5 1 3 14-8
Man City...9 4 1 2 26-9
Man Utd....9 4 1 4 10-7
Tot. Hots...9 5 2 2 14-10
All this shows is that they're happy to have the ball vs other teams who are more direct (United under Mourinho, Atletico Madrid etc) or simply inferior to them (Young Boys) but against more possession based sides like Ajax and Valencia they're probably not all that interested in a possession battle because they know that's the strength of these teams and they're better off playing in a different fashion. They're definitely not a possession orientated team - we had 67% of the ball in Turin last season!This, and don't be fooled by the "Italians don't want to have the ball" argument.
Possesion Juve UCL 18/19
Against:
Valencia 45.8%
Manchester United 60.5%
Young Boys 59.6%
Atletico Madrid 63.1%
Ajax 39.2%
Passes + accuracy
Against:
Valencia 425 (86%)
Manchester United 646 (89%)
Young Boys 565 (88%)
Atletico Madrid 543 (87%)
Ajax 381 (76%)
Nah. They're an adaptive team who are comfortable defending without the ball. That doesn't mean they don't want it. Ajax forced them to play that way, it wasn't by design(same with you guys last season)All this shows is that they're happy to have the ball vs other teams who are more direct (United under Mourinho, Atletico Madrid etc) or simply inferior to them (Young Boys) but against more possession based sides like Ajax and Valencia they're probably not all that interested in a possession battle because they know that's the strength of these teams and they're better off playing in a different fashion. They're definitely not a possession orientated team - we had 67% of the ball in Turin last season!
I didn't say they don't want the ball, but it's certainly not a big part of their game. If they know it's a strength of the opposition they aren't going to engage in that battle and are happy to play on the counter.Nah. They're an adaptive team who are comfortable defending without the ball. That doesn't mean they don't want it. Ajax forced them to play that way, it wasn't by design(same with you guys last season)
Italian media have been waxing lyrical about Ajax today. The line is that juventus did very well to get a 1-1 draw
Thing is, 90 minutes of defense wasn't Allegri's plan... They had hoped to keep de Jong under control and control midfield. He said post-match that entirely to their surprise de Jong knew instantly what was going on and threw a wrench into their plan by turning out of the situation time and again, which allowed Ajax to keep on attacking.I didn't say they don't want the ball, but it's certainly not a big part of their game. If they know it's a strength of the opposition they aren't going to engage in that battle and are happy to play on the counter.
Even then it's better than the majority of teams remaining in the competition. Just shows how crazy this year has been.Juventus are often outpossessed by the worst teams in Serie A. The likes of Empoli and Bologna dominate the ball for large periods of the game against them. They very rarely get above 60% possession no matter who they’re playing against.
What was special about Ajax was how easily they got themselves into dangerous positions, dominating possession was expected given this Juve midfield is average for this level.
That's not necessarily true, and if they somehow are, it's simply Allegri's fault for not making them play better. On paper, they are better than, or at least equal to:Juventus are often outpossessed by the worst teams in Serie A. The likes of Empoli and Bologna dominate the ball for large periods of the game against them. They very rarely get above 60% possession no matter who they’re playing against.
What was special about Ajax was how easily they got themselves into dangerous positions, dominating the midfield was somewhat expected given this Juve midfield is average for this level.
Agreed. Allegri does not care about possession, yes they will have it in certain games but they surrender it time and time again against half decent sides.Juventus are often outpossessed by the worst teams in Serie A. The likes of Empoli and Bologna dominate the ball for large periods of the game against them. They very rarely get above 60% possession no matter who they’re playing against.
What was special about Ajax was how easily they got themselves into dangerous positions, dominating possession was expected given this Juve midfield is average for this level.
Yet that doesn't explain why Allegri said the match didn't go at all according to their plan. You're insinuating they chose to give possession away, but Allegri explicitly said post-match that wasn't the intention as they wanted to control midfield, but were forced into an epic "only Italians can defend like this" defense.Agreed. Allegri does not care about possession, yes they will have it in certain games but they surrender it time and time again against half decent sides.
I reiterate, we are not one of the best possession sides out there, yet we went to Turin and had 67% (!) of the ball in that game.
A decent pressing team can easily have the lion's share of the ball vs Juve, it's what they do with it which is what matters, and from the highlights it's clear Ajax were excellent at developing good attacking situations. They were creative & forward thinking with that possession.
I don't really care what Allegri says. The way his team sets itself up in Europe against any half decent pressing/ball playing side goes completely against that.Yet that doesn't explain why Allegri said the match didn't go at all according to their plan. You're insinuating they chose to give possession away, but Allegri explicitly said post-match that wasn't the intention as they wanted to control midfield, but were forced into an epic "only Italians can defend like this" defense.
So they say they had a plan and that it failed, they improvised, managed and then you claim that's the real plan because clearly they can't fail in their plans. Okay.I don't really care what Allegri says. The way his team sets itself up in Europe against any half decent pressing/ball playing side goes completely against that.
They consistently have far less of the ball against sides like that, whether it be in Serie A or in the CL. I look at actions, not words.
So they say they had a plan and that it failed, they improvised, managed and then you claim that's the real plan because clearly they can't fail in their plans. Okay.
Pretty safe predictions, and hard to disagree with.Prediction:
Liverpool vs Barcelona
Man. City vs Juventus
If we face Barcelona, the first game will be at Nou Camp, and we always have a chance at Anfield in the return leg since I don't see us losing 3-0 or whatever in Spain.Pretty safe predictions, and hard to disagree with.
Spurs/City is still a flip for me, and I do think Ajax can go through. If Ajax get past Juve, I think they'll make the final after beating Spurs/City, where they'll play either us/Barca.
If Barcelona play like they did yesterday at Anfield, I think we'd win the home game at least, depending on how the league is shaping up & whatnot. Probably get spanked in Spain, though.
Ahh hhahhaAjax vs City
Liverpool vs Barcelona
Liverpool vs City
So they say they had a plan and that it failed, they improvised, managed and then you claim that's the real plan because clearly they can't fail in their plans. Okay.
EDIT: Could you please just consider for a moment that Allegri may simply not be that good in setting his team up well against a pressing team and that their default response then is a defensive counter?
(sorry for the edits btw, only got 5 posts to work with per day )
Ahh hhahha
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