Farage keeps saying he vows to change UK politics. But every time he is pushed on policy ,he as been found wanting.
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It's not that. It's the fact that you've told a group of people 'You can go free of the system if you want, whatever your reasons' and then take that freedom of choice away and tie them down anyway.
That's the lie that hurts more than anything else to leavers. The lie that 'your choice matters' has never been more obvious than in the last 3 years.
It has a greater significance beyond Brexit.
I dunno, you saw the massive drop off in support for Uk kip once leave had won the referendum, the resurgence of the brexit party(which is just basically Ukip2.0). Has only come now when their seems to be a precieved threat article 50 will be withdrawn.
I don't think the right wing nationalism would disappear if we leave, but i think leaving the EU in a softway, i think it will defiantly satisfy a large chunk from both sides, leaving the extremists on the outside again rather then them been the driving force, which is what they are right now for both sides.
I don' think their is a great answer to this, but at least trying to compromise is better then both sides basically paddying like children, sticking their fingers in their ears and going "la la la not listening" when anyone puts forward a point of view which isnt 100% the same at theirs. Which is what is happening now in parliament and in the country.
There was an appetite for compromise immediately after the ref. If there'd been a quick and clear move to join EFTA, we'd be on our way to leaving right now. Remainers like me would've grumbled, Rees-Mogg would've done his 18th century thing from the backbenches, but it would've got through. But it didn't happen because May and Corbyn both set out red lines that made it impossible.
Wanting to go back to that stage isn't going to make it happen. What's the actual path out of the mess?
Well you'd think people might be more philosophical about being deceived, given that we've had bloody centuries of it.
Won’t stop the dullards flocking to him though.
For Farage, politics is only the means to an end; he's mostly interested in his personal wealth.
Try 39 thousand million.
You called me a WUM for saying that 4 weeks ago.
Tbh, can't remember. And in those four weeks, we've had two disastrous results for Labour.
If the current impasse ultimately ends in a changing of the FPTP electoral system, he will have changed UK Politics on a seismic scale, regardless of whether he achieves Brexit or not.
He says he wants to “end the two party system” - let’s see what he means when he starts adding meat to the bone of Brexit Party policy. For what it’s worth, if he achieves that alone, he should be lauded not derided because FPTP, with its nodding dog mantra of Lab/Con voters sticking their X next to the donkeys wearing blue/red rosettes is fecking wank and long past it’s sell by date.
He has said he wants to abolish the house of lords... I don't agree with farrage on much but that seems pretty logical and sensible...that said I've not seen him propose how to replace it and that could well be some batshit crazy solution
Okay - now the Scottish results are in, the break down looks like this
Bear in mind that most Labour voters supported Remain, but there are lots of Leave voters in there too. And there are some Remain voters that still vote Tory.
So, without Labour, the Brexit parties (Tories, Brexit and UKIP) have the most votes and the most seats. If you treat Labour as 7/10 towards Remain, it's basically a 50/50 split.
Bear in mind that most Labour voters supported Remain, but there are lots of Leave voters in there too. And there are some Remain voters that still vote Tory.
So, without Labour, the Brexit parties (Tories, Brexit and UKIP) have the most votes and the most seats. If you treat Labour as 7/10 towards Remain, it's basically a 50/50 split.
Naomi Long reported to be doing well in NI as well, may be able to take the third seat there from the UUP.
But it's never been this blatantly obvious, at least not in my lifetime.
I seriously question the whole facade of democracy for future UK politics if Brexit is swept under the carpet. It's a complete waste of time.
All these elections and referendums. Utter tosh.
The real issue here is clearly that none of the politicians had thought very hard about how to go through with a potential Brexit. So now you have people like yourself who feel deceived because Brexit hasn't been delivered. However the fact of the matter is that Brexit couldn't ever be a question of just getting out as long as the Irish border is a reality.
If anyone had put any thought into it the referendum wouldn't have been "Do you want to leave?" but rather "Do you want to leave under these conditions?". The arrogance with which Brexit was approached by politicians has been mindboggling.
Does Farage have a symbol for his party yet or are they still just using a name?
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Hahaha
The face you make when you're thirsty and someone suggests "How about a milkshake?"
Martina top of the 1st preference for the North great to see and Alliance doing very well as well.
They'll have one more after Brexit and got more votes. The traditional left and right performed miserably.
Another thing I don't get about these European elections is:
Why are we (the European people) filling the European Parliament full of Eurosceptics??? What is the point?
It's not just the UK, but France, Italy etc etc as well.
What positive can that possibly achieve?
Why are we (the European people) filling the European Parliament full of Eurosceptics??? What is the point?
It's not just the UK, but France, Italy etc etc as well.
What positive can that possibly achieve?
This whole Brexit shambles is just a way for the real puppet masters to make the world more right wing. Trump, check. UK next.
Some of the Tories will be secretly delighted that Farage and co have made gains. They do not care about Brexit really let's be honest, otherwise this would have been sorted ages ago. It is all a smoke screen...
All they care about is changing the narrative of this country to be less foreigner friendly and to drum up nationalistic views. It matters little to them if the people doing it are from the Brexit party, or Tommy Robinson. Yes they pay lip service and say all the politically correct things in front of the media but deep down, there is a significant number of people in the UK who want it to be more right wing. Never mind about the truth. Obviously they hate Corbyn, as he is a socialist, kind hearted (but poor leader) of a man. So he gets thrashed in the media day in day out for pretty much anything - even his jacket colour.
If you haven't realized this yet, you have not been paying attention. Grab your popcorn and watch all of this unfold..
Some of the Tories will be secretly delighted that Farage and co have made gains. They do not care about Brexit really let's be honest, otherwise this would have been sorted ages ago. It is all a smoke screen...
All they care about is changing the narrative of this country to be less foreigner friendly and to drum up nationalistic views. It matters little to them if the people doing it are from the Brexit party, or Tommy Robinson. Yes they pay lip service and say all the politically correct things in front of the media but deep down, there is a significant number of people in the UK who want it to be more right wing. Never mind about the truth. Obviously they hate Corbyn, as he is a socialist, kind hearted (but poor leader) of a man. So he gets thrashed in the media day in day out for pretty much anything - even his jacket colour.
If you haven't realized this yet, you have not been paying attention. Grab your popcorn and watch all of this unfold..
The Italians and French will hope to change and disrupt the EU from within. And that's much better than leaving.
The traditional left and right have been irrelevant for years, there is nothing new here. The only difference is that for the first time in a long time the party in power hasn't been sanctioned.
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This kind of shooting your own foot is beyond my realms of comprehension. Maybe I'm a simple guy, but I feel for the European Parliament to truly work you need everyone in there to be a believer of unity.
And an article from this month breaking down the costs of a no deal Brexit even more.
I assume you’re good with paying your fair share of the non-divorce bill costs, as well as helping to recoup a possible 10% reduction in the UK economy?
We won't the vast majority is pro EU.
Somebody please tell me that a no deal Brexit would result in a lowering of benefit payments to the jobless as most of the loonies I know who voted for it, don't plan to work anytime soon.
It's important to remember that the kind of eurosceptic tradition which has long existed in Britain isn't replicated in the other countries you mention. What I mean then is they will try to reshape the EU much more in their own image, as opposed to collapsing the whole thing outright.
Increasing federalisation and ever closer union isn't axiomatically good you know.
I know, see above.
Probably, no deal Brexit means less tax revenue as we slash taxes to ensure business investment, and less people have money due to job losses and businesses becoming less profitable (less income from tax).
I think a tax increase for people like me is inevitable in the event of no deal.
Why what kind of person are you?
Not someone like you, we know why you went to Peru. Tax dodger.
The kinda person who thinks it's necessary to take some risks in the short term to give yourself a chance for more/better options of growth for the future.
Good things don't come without a price to be paid.
Out means out. And I meant it.
What are the better options in the future if you leave the EU with no deal? What's better than the current situation?
Thought he's been one of the people fanning those flames for years?
An outside chance for a chance at another outside chance is a shit bet to make Buddy.