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I’m worried for Labour. This isn’t going to be pretty.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I’m worried for Labour. This isn’t going to be pretty.
Every single one of them are blaming it and banging on about "reflection".
They've got this completely wrong, of course Brexit was the biggest factor, but it's a complete lack of awareness to use it as an excuse. They screwed it up, big time. Totally missread the public opinion on that, Corbyn's popularity and god knows what else.
That's not a party who look to be actually "reflecting" with a view to change it's the same old soundbites and nothing more. Now we are fecked, and for a long time too.
The Conservatives gain Birmingham Northfield from Labour
As an individual I can relate to Corbyn's position, but as a popular message it seemed profoundly stupid. Brexit is complicated enough as is, what was required was a simple message. It's not a simple problem but there's obviously no point in passing on that complexity to the voters. It just seemed like a denial of the fundamental reality of politics.
He wanted change and he's going to get it, just in a different way. Interesting to see how Labour re-position from this point. I suppose by the next election Brexit will still be there, but just an irrelevant nuisance, and they'll go back to the old battle grounds. But it'd be very surprising if they don't move much closer to the centre as a result.
Cooper just gets through only 1000 votes in it.
How are we going to do that without Labour in power, or at least a leadership ready to take them on? Or at least have some kind of idea about how to try!
These clowns have failed, what for the fourth time on the trot now? This time they've been absolutely humiliated.
Excuses cannot be allowed to cut it. Real hard changes are needed and Corbyn should absolutely not be involved in it. But he will, for a while yet. We are screwed.
Hopefully Boris keeps to his word and backs the NHS rather than privatising it.
I’m definitely worried for the future though, brexit shouldn’t have been as big a factor as it seem to have been.
I’m definitely worried for the future though, brexit shouldn’t have been as big a factor as it seem to have been.
To be fair it’s not difficult to see there’s not much swing to the Conservatives, it’s Brexit Party taking votes which has caused for the seats to change hands.
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How will SNP force a Scottish independence referendum? They are legally bound to the constitution aren’t they?
Blair had the media.
If people think it's all just a coincidence then yeah it's going to be a struggle.
But either way I'm not sure how they'd approach changing that.
The swing to the Tories happened in 2017. This time they kept what they gained and built on it, Labour crumbled.
The Conservatives gain Ashfield from Labour.
Gain after gain
Gain after gain
We are getting our kilts on as we speak and then we march.
All night long I've been told they shouldn't and won't. It's frankly depressing people can't at least see this cannot go on.
There's even talk of brexit fecking the cons, but really? They'll just make their own excuses when it fecks up and people will lap them up. Meanwhile momentum will make another shit choice and Labour will be just as ineffective.
They are well and truly fecked.
I'm not really sure what you're saying, that Labour should've ran on a Leave platform?
In hindsight that might have improved tonight's results but realistically they've been in a lose-lose situation for years.
How depressing this is - Wolverhampton gone from 3 out of 3 labour to 1 labour and 2 Tories.a Tory majority for the first time in 30 years!
It’s upto political parties to have a message that the media will support. What’s so hard to understand about that?
UK media has not supported a true left minded Labour leader for 50 years! Why would that happen in 2019?!
Where was the swing, Labour greatly increased their majorities in 2017 on the back of the kipper collapse. Now BXP has taken back the kippers and more.
And then what? Show Boris your hairy balls at Hadrians wall?
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Why didn't Labour (and Richard Burgon, Shadow Justice Secretary) highlight stuff like this more
Guido will be on my case soon
Caroline Lucas retained her Brighton seat.
The Conservatives regain Kensington from Labour
Sam Gyimah was running there
Sam Gyimah was running there
It wouldn't have mattered.
WARRINGTON SOUTH
Con GAIN from Lab
Con GAIN from Lab
Caroline Lucas has been on the whiskey tonight. She sounds like my pisshead Aunt Annie.
Caroline Lucas getting a bit shrieky, as expected.
We’re still not entirely sure Burgon isnt a Tory stooge.
I think it's normal to go through denial after this kind of loss in fairness. Let's let the dust settle and give people some time to reflect! The message from momentum and others is very jarring, and it does feel like people are living more firmly in their bubbles than ever before...but let's stay optimistic!
Another Tory cnut out but letting another in by the back door.
Christ, I'm not going through this again. I've a hell of a lot of posts since last night, I might not always have been the clearest, but my thoughts are pretty consistent I feel.
Read some of them if you fancy it mate, I'm too tired to keep going round in circles. No disrespect to you meant by that btw, just been a long frustrating night.
I’m done. Was fun wallowing in the blood bath with you all.
Viva la Boris
Good night!
Viva la Boris
Good night!
They gained 5% in 2017. That's my point - they gained a lot but it was masked by greater Labour gains, which have now evaporated. That's why looking at their smaller gain tonight doesn't tell the whole story.
Stoke on Trent Central- Snell (Lab) loses
Closer than I thought it would be given other results.
It's worse even than that, the 500-odd Green votes for Labour would have held the seat. I hate to be sniffy about smaller parties but honestly without PR voting if you're inclined to vote for the Greens outside of Brighton Pavilion you should vote Labour.
Wonder if he had won had the Lib Dems stepped down, was under 1000 votes i think
Fair enough, it's a fast-paced thread.
That's exactly right mate, they are in their bubble. But I'm not interested in giving them time, they've had plenty of that. And my frustrations, like most I guess, come from what we all knew would happen and what they all would say if they lost. You literally could write the script for every single one of them.
I have no faith they are actually going to reflect, and neither will their core base. But I guess we've got 5 years to watch them do nothing now.
Sorry, that's as positive as I get right now
"I'm going to lose badly and this is the start of 20 years of Tory rule."
Gareth Snell lose his seat in Stoke-on-Trent Central before the result in Stoke was announced
Gareth Snell lose his seat in Stoke-on-Trent Central before the result in Stoke was announced
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