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Passes McCluskey's 2017 mark of a decent result.Labour get 200 seats
Passes McCluskey's 2017 mark of a decent result.Labour get 200 seats
that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happenGone 5am is a decent time to call it. I've mostly lurked on the thread because to be honest I'd rather not get into the political cut and thrust on the caf. For me it's clear there are a multitude of factors at play in Labour's awful election. Brexit (and the party's messy journey towards an imperfect position) and Corbyn's leadership are paramount but I'd also add
a general failure to get the Labour vote out in numbers outside of big cities and some nasty ideological factionalism that has by all accounts been going on behind the scenes since 2016. There have been various ructions about democracy in the party (trigger ballots, elected General Sec. etc.) but as with anti-semitism what proportion of blame Corbyn personally should cop for it is open to debate, which is why I feel it deserves a separate mention. Also a mention must go to the failure to get decent tactics in place between Labour, Lib Dems and Greens in certain seats, which would by no means have avoided the Tory majority but would have at least spared us the disgraceful spectacle of the Tories sneaking in in the same constituency as the Grenfell tower disaster.
Overall a complete mess for Labour (I've just seen Dennis Skinner lose by more than 5,000 votes for Christ's sake) and I would guess a long road back, which will be most painful for the most vulnerable in our society with Boris's Tories in full control.
Next election is their electionPasses McCluskey's 2017 mark of a decent result.
I was going to bold and quote the same part, its pretty shocking.that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happen
Yeah, they screwed May over for a worse deal for them, no power in government and Dodds losing his seat.With the Tories looking to have gained a clear majority it looks like DUP has lost its leverage, right?
Compulsory voting would sort that out. Add in transferable preference voting and it would be interesting to how that worked out.Gonna be less than 50% turnout isn't it ? Ridiculous.
and when you take Rees-Moog's comments earlier in the election, it makes it much much much worseI was going to bold and quote the same part, its pretty shocking.
the grenfell seat is a much wider problem it ended with labs and cons at around 40% each and libs on 20, having made a gain of 10!that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happen
Yes. Sure Brexit has played a big role but let's not beat around the bush.All the deluded noises from momentum and corbyn and thornberry must be pretty terrifying for all sane labour members.
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So many parts of Greater Manchester have gone Tory, it’s absolutely wild.Im surprised so many working class areas voted conservstive, talk about shooting yourself in foot.
Who would you like to see as Labour leader?Hugely disappointing night, I'm not hopeful of what the next 5 years of Tory rule brings with it. Looks like it'll be a full parliamentary term aswell with such a healthy majority.
The only positives I can take are that with such a heavy defeat Labour really needs to look at itself and hopefully begin the process of becoming electable once more. As Campbell said by the time the next election comes around it'll be 50 years since anybody other than Blair has won an election for Labour. There's a reason for that and rather than remaining ideologically pure and unelectable they need to accept the political realities of the country they seek to govern. I'll be renewing my Labour membership so I can vote in the Leadership Elections when it comes around, and hopefully it can be the start of a long road back to a Labour government. Wishful thinking perhaps.
Who's left?Who would you like to see as Labour leader?
Aye, it's a mixed constituency with some very well-heeled people but there are nearly 10,000 'progressive' votes doing bugger all while a Tory nips in by 150. As you've pointed out Dewsbury was another close one with the Greens and Lib Dems sat on nearly three and a half thou. I feel for all the smaller parties, particularly the Greens, in FPTP but given your stated aims as a party you've got to play the game instead of letting Tories in left and right.that is extremely damning for Labour for that to happen
FFSWho's left?
Most of those are uninspiring I think. As I say, I think Cooper could do well, and I think Raynor has done well in this election whenever I've seen her. RLB is just a bit dull, much like Corbyn and doesn't really inspire. Going to be an interesting few months in the Labour Party anyway, it could well get very nasty.FFS
Philips?, Long Bailey? Starmer?, Thornberry? McDonnell?, Gardiner? Cooper?, Lammy?, Butler?, McDonald?
Yeah but not immediately. Said he won't lead Labour into the next election but will take a period of reflection first.Has Corbyn said whether he will resign
I'm still waiting for Survation.Worth posting this again as YouGov got it amazingly close more than two weeks prior to the election:
He's said he won't lead the party into the next election, but will stay on whilst the party reflects on the election and how it should move forward (i.e. he wants to ensure the party remains ideologically where it is and does not shift).Has Corbyn said whether he will resign
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What period of reflection exactly? He ruined the labour party.Yeah but not immediately. Said he won't lead Labour into the next election but will take a period of reflection first.
Absolute madness, they've always said the poor are the easiest people to con. Im beginning to think its true.So many parts of Greater Manchester have gone Tory, it’s absolutely wild.
These places are hurt by the Tory’s more than most, and seemingly don’t care as long as we leave the EU.
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Is the only source of joy in a horrendous night.Very happy Swinson lost. Twat.
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