UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
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T00lsh3d

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One can only assume that they will grow up to be the worst people. Being a Tory is bad enough but being a 17 year old Tory at a time when the Tories have damned your generation to a worse future is borderline sociopathic.
I suspect any strongly politically-motivated 17 year old is being pushed heavily by their parents. Borderline sociopath is a bit extreme
 

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Just as curious to know why young people would support Labour. Unless they are naive enough to believe in their bribes from the magic money tree.
I spend the majority of the time on redcafe just rolling my eyes at your posts to be honest.

Have you never met any of these types? All the same they're all arrogant idiots who think being a Tory supporter makes them better than others. I'd assume because their parents also have this elitist attitude.
I've managed to avoid anyone like this. Must be lucky. :lol:
 

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I suspect any strongly politically-motivated 17 year old is being pushed heavily by their parents. Borderline sociopath is a bit extreme
Not fully sure about that. I agree with @altodevil that a lot of Young Tories I have come across vote as their parents do. But that is the extent of their political involvement. The cnuts who join the Young Tories organisations are a different breed.

Either that or it's easier to become famous as a young Conservative.
 

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What are you referring to specifically?
And you?

Can't you just accept we have different views on politics and move on?

Plenty of posters on here with whom I have good relationships with who's politics I disagree.

Whilst the concept of socialism may be very laudable, the execution has, invariably, been a total feck up. The same can be said of the concept of right leaning policy. On balance, I have always favoured a Conservative feck up to a Labour catastrophe.

That's until this Brexshit bollocks came along.

If Boris gets in, it will be far more to do with working class, Northern, voters voting for Brexit, than right leaning Southern voters not knowing who to vote for in this shit show.
 

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Not electable according to the same right wing media which you (rightly imo) criticised. Maybe the damage to democracy has already been done, making us believe someone like Corbyn is unelectable but Boris Johnson is.
That is very fair. While I don't particularly like or agree with Jeremy Corbyn, my judgement could well be coloured by biased media coverage.
 

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And you?

Can't you just accept we have different views on politics and move on?

Plenty of posters on here with whom I have good relationships with who's politics I disagree.

Whilst the concept of socialism may be very laudable, the execution has, invariably, been a total feck up. The same can be said of the concept of right leaning policy. On balance, I have always favoured a Conservative feck up to a Labour catastrophe.

That's until this Brexshit bollocks came along.

If Boris gets in, it will be far more to do with working class, Northern, voters voting for Brexit, than right leaning Southern voters not knowing who to vote for in this shit show.
No. The point of this thread is discussion.
 

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Just as curious to know why young people would support Labour. Unless they are naive enough to believe in their bribes from the magic money tree.
Magic money tree...
Only Labour has one of those ?
Do me a favour and look at what the other parties are chucking around.
 

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It's all bollocks, there has never been more bollocks in an election campaign.

Labour's proposals to renationalise everything and free broadband for all is what I am talking about.
Yes. I can understand that.
The dental check seems to make some sense if it takes some pressure off A&E.
 

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Just as curious to know why young people would support Labour. Unless they are naive enough to believe in their bribes from the magic money tree.
It's fine, Labour will just take the spending out of the £350 million a week going to the NHS or just add to the ever increasing debt the Tories have dumped on the country.
 

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Can anyone explain to me how the Tories who have been in power for 9 years, have decimated public services, the NHS is a state, Police numbers are down and have dithered on Brexit are miles ahead in the polls? The alternatives are not great but how many personal and financial scandals has Boris been involved in now? Not to mention the unelected Cummings running riot.
 

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Can anyone explain to me how the Tories who have been in power for 9 years, have decimated public services, the NHS is a state, Police numbers are down and have dithered on Brexit are miles ahead in the polls? The alternatives are not great but how many personal and financial scandals has Boris been involved in now? Not to mention the unelected Cummings running riot.
Brexit and the fact Corbyn is wildly unpopular.
 

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So perfect to be taken in by Labour bribes of something for nothing?
How are these policies bribes? Or, to put it differently, how's it any different to any policies proposed by any political party which aim to woo voters and thus win elections? In 1945 when Labour won and created a welfare state that became the cornerstone of the nation were they bribing voters then? There's this weird belief that for some reason young people voting in their own self-interest involves them being bribed, whereas older voters who go Tory for a decent pension are incredibly rational and logical beings. I'm struggling to see the difference here? At least Labour are trying to devise policies to improve things in areas where there have demonstrably been problems. Criticise the financial math and all the rest of it - but bribes is such an inane way to look at it.
 

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They started it!
This isn't the playground, Colin. Simon the Smell isn't around anymore for you to flush his head down the toilet.

And, no, tbh the American banks started it. Brown being fooled by some mug down the high street with a Cash4Gold stall or George stopping his coke snorting for five minutes to draw up a budget with his crayons was a drop in the ocean compared to the shit they pulled.
 

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Just as curious to know why young people would support Labour. Unless they are naive enough to believe in their bribes from the magic money tree.
I think the younger generation see the entrenched imbalances in society more acutely because they're not as desensitised to it. Stepping over homeless people with your shopping bags certainly is not normal. Although from the tone of your posts I suspect you give them a kick.
 

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That is very fair. While I don't particularly like or agree with Jeremy Corbyn, my judgement could well be coloured by biased media coverage.
As we all are to some degree. The relentless repetition of stories with similar underlying tones must sink in eventually.

I myself am sometimes concerned that Corbyn may be hard to elect. Not slick enough. Not tactical enough. Not willing to stick the knife in enough. But then I think, do we really need our politicians to exhibit sociopathic tendencies in order to be electable? Or more importantly to be effective when in office?
 

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It's all bollocks, there has never been more bollocks in an election campaign.

Labour's proposals to renationalise everything and free broadband for all is what I am talking about.
https://fullfact.org/economy/public-debt/

In 10 years under the Tories national debt has nearly doubled from £1 trillion to £1.8 trillion.

Remember the DUP money from Theresa May? The magic money tree suddenly appeared then didn't it.
 

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The fact that immigration is framed as the cause for many problems actually caused by austerity/lack of investment, for me is also down to the right wing press.

Edit: to answer your question I meant voting Tory rather than Brexit. From my perspective,I can understand why some people voted for Brexit. I cannot understand how anyone could ever vote Tory.
My doesn't really read newspapers or watch the news, but her bloke is pretty right wing. My mother used to work for the NHS to make it worse.

I can top you. My mum and late stepdad were active UKIP members a few years ago. She’s an absolute leaver..... She also works voluntarily teaching migrants who appear in the country with nothing basic English :lol::lol:
Jeez, that's seriously conflicted!? If I press my mother on she issue she gets very defensive and says she's sick of talking about it.

Michelle Dewberry is standing in Hessle again, but ugh Brexit party.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10364080/brexit-party-michelle-dewberry-tinder-love/
 

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I think the younger generation see the entrenched imbalances in society more acutely because they're not as desensitised to it. Stepping over homeless people with your shopping bags certainly is not normal. Although from the tone of your posts I suspect you give them a kick.
wtf are you on about? From the tone of which posts?
 

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The last time I reported a post, I was told I didn't have a sense of humour. So I don't bother anymore.
You're being very whiny. If you think you've been insulted then report it. Each report is looked at and judged individually, usually by a couple of mods. We are stricter in the CE forum than the General.
 
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