Absolutely this. It seems that "top red" fans are the ones that never criticize the shambolic managment and under performing shit players stealing a living from the club.
United's biggest problem - Our spoiled and overly entitled fan base
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Ah so more complaining will help. Glad you cleared that up
See posts like this are frustrating, how is likely to be different this time when the structure making the decisions is the same?
If Ed hadn't opened his mouth when Jose was sacked and promised us a DOF, a proper up and coming manager, and a decent budget to spend, then fair enough, we know what's coming, but he did, and now we are expected to wait like good little children to see if he gets it right somehow now, when there is zero evidence that this is likely to happen.
There is literally no one like that here.
Can you post a link to what Ed said when Jose was sacked.
We're not spoiled or overly entitled. We have a history and a responsibility to maintain a standard - at the least challenge. Some of the football we've seen has been so bad it's terrible really. These people have no pride and no determination to challenge and many are at the wrong club.
We've celebrated players staying here for years and we've become complacent celebrating players who are not good enough. Sir Alex warned against complacency. We all hope the club does well and shows ambition in the market in recognition of what we need because we risk losing our best players if we don't.
No fan I know wants to drop down the league and the division. That's the direction we're headed if we don't pull our head out our arse. Posts on social media could be from other clubs fans for all we know. Two signings so far is a start but we really need numbers. We need to generate interest from supporters who want to see ambition and the players want that also but when you see the club lose Herrera and we still have matic....we lack energy.
We need 3/4 maybe more players. This is why people get frustrated because no one wants to see that again. We were so poor some games. Some basics were beyond us much of the time and we need to reshape/remodel the team and show De Gea/Pogba etc that this is the place to be.
We've celebrated players staying here for years and we've become complacent celebrating players who are not good enough. Sir Alex warned against complacency. We all hope the club does well and shows ambition in the market in recognition of what we need because we risk losing our best players if we don't.
No fan I know wants to drop down the league and the division. That's the direction we're headed if we don't pull our head out our arse. Posts on social media could be from other clubs fans for all we know. Two signings so far is a start but we really need numbers. We need to generate interest from supporters who want to see ambition and the players want that also but when you see the club lose Herrera and we still have matic....we lack energy.
We need 3/4 maybe more players. This is why people get frustrated because no one wants to see that again. We were so poor some games. Some basics were beyond us much of the time and we need to reshape/remodel the team and show De Gea/Pogba etc that this is the place to be.
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We are one of the biggest clubs in the world if not the biggest (the biggest fanbase around the world). Manchester united is a giant club and the club makes money based on that fan base around the world. The club should match the the gigantic fan base's ambitions just like Madrid and Barcelona. Do you want our fans to accept mediocrity for 6 years to prove them loyal? They have every right to be annoyed.
I used to think that old farts were being old farts but they were probably stating the truth, Football Manager and FIFA ruined the youth.
You actually do. Supposedly United operate the right way according to this thread. Go into player performance threads and you will see fans defending absolute shit players and how it's not their fault when they can't score a fecking goal for 5 months of the season. I personally think we as fans have been too tolerant towards the shit that has been served.
I've never agreed with anything posted on this forum more than I agree with this. A lot of our fans have lost the plot
BS. People are rightfully angry. Our club has been shit for the last 6 years. The quality of the football has been poor, the results just as bad. We don't owe Manchester United anything. Fans pay for a service and have subscribed to a service for years and years. We expect a basic quality of product in return.
Right now our football is dire and our performances are drab. We've been through 4 managers - concensus is that the squad needs an overhaul.
While clubs with similar financial firepower are making leaps and bounds (Real Madrid), we've been dilly dallying. Most of our crap players are still here. Fans should be protesting the dross bring served up at games, boycotting matches if we're still playing Lingard at RW and other daft shit like that. Replying negatively on twitter is nothing.
Right now our football is dire and our performances are drab. We've been through 4 managers - concensus is that the squad needs an overhaul.
While clubs with similar financial firepower are making leaps and bounds (Real Madrid), we've been dilly dallying. Most of our crap players are still here. Fans should be protesting the dross bring served up at games, boycotting matches if we're still playing Lingard at RW and other daft shit like that. Replying negatively on twitter is nothing.
Did you already forget what you posted?
Compare that to this:
The quote you posted doesn't even remotely insinuate the bolded.
Does not impact =/= not prioritizing
Thank you for this textbook example of fan entitlement.
It what world do consumers bend over and accept a substandard product. Only football and only United. Football is still a product. It's is marketed at the top end. We would be fine dining michilan starred if we were a restaurant, an iPhone level phone, a Ferrari level car, A Hollywood a list movie etc
If any of these companies produce a substandard product what would happen? Say the new release of iPhone is rated 6th best phone and that happened for 6 years! Say you went to a michilan starred restaurant and the food was no better than an average restaurant. The consumers would be up in arms. Social media would hammer them.
Same for Utd. We have been fed sub par crap for 6 years. We don't need excuses. If you buy a phone and it's crap you don't care Apple had some difficulties but they spent a lot in development and tried really really hard. You just want a good phone.
And this applies to the top clubs as well. Real, Barca etc fans would be protesting in the street and by now. But at Utd you are hammered for complaining. Stiff upper lip chaps. Pants down, turn around.
If any of these companies produce a substandard product what would happen? Say the new release of iPhone is rated 6th best phone and that happened for 6 years! Say you went to a michilan starred restaurant and the food was no better than an average restaurant. The consumers would be up in arms. Social media would hammer them.
Same for Utd. We have been fed sub par crap for 6 years. We don't need excuses. If you buy a phone and it's crap you don't care Apple had some difficulties but they spent a lot in development and tried really really hard. You just want a good phone.
And this applies to the top clubs as well. Real, Barca etc fans would be protesting in the street and by now. But at Utd you are hammered for complaining. Stiff upper lip chaps. Pants down, turn around.
such a lousy post.Ah so more complaining will help. Glad you cleared that up
Also talking of embarrassing - the wank performances those over paid divas deliver on the pitch. The rubbish excuses the managers make. Ashley Young at left back and Valencia at right back. Mata on the right wing (not knocking the players, rather the fact we had stop gaps playing those positions for years). Offering Rojo a new contract.
That was embarrassing.
That was embarrassing.
I honestly think it has. People talk about transfers as if there are real life [WNT] tags next to players in a spreadsheet along with a value of what you have to pay.I used to think that old farts were being old farts but they were probably stating the truth, Football Manager and FIFA ruined the youth.
Rationality went out the window in the thread where they reckon ravel Morrison would be better than mata or lingard.
It is called ambition, who both the club and the fans should maintain, otherwise, people should support clubs like Everton if they are not interested in titles.
I'll do it later when I'm on my laptop, but it was well reported that we willing to pay £30-£40 million compo to get Poch soon after Jose was sacked, and even more well reported that we have been after a DOF all summer, yet here we are.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting United fans should be glory hunters?
I disagree.
I think our fans are far too lenient and accepting.
I think our fans are far too lenient and accepting.
I’ve always felt like this quote was blown way way out of proportion. Ever since the first time I saw it I felt like that.
This was mentioned at an investors meeting, not a football meeting. For a club that had been faltering for the past couple years, wouldn’t you want your investors to feel secure in their investment that the commercial side of things, which lets be honest is what the investors care about, wouldn’t be affected by the ups and downs of the football side of things? I certainly wouldn’t want to hear “Well unless the club starts winning league titles again we aren’t a worthwhile investment for you lads at all. Maybe you should check out the blue guys down the road?”
United fans really really latched on to that quote and for the life of me I can’t understand why.
This. That said, our fan base is not our biggest problem.
For me it's even simpler than that, you have at least two other actors in every deals, the selling club and the player and unlike video games in real life it's difficult to actually convince everyone to go in the same direction. Just think about Maguire last season, he was said to be interested in a move to United but he never pushed for it and then extended his contract, he may have been genuinely interested in joining United but it wasn't strong enough to make him push for it or put United in a better situation the following summer. These are the type of things that happen all the time, players and clubs have distant interests, the selling clubs may not be against selling under certain conditions and the big issue is to find a deal that actually convinces everyone, that's where time goes.
We are living in the Amazon Prime age. Where everything is about instant gratification. No one has patience and everyone wants everything right here right now. We are spoilt.
Perhaps Glaston was onto something with his DADDY DADDY WANT WANT rant.
Perhaps Glaston was onto something with his DADDY DADDY WANT WANT rant.
Yeah, the entitled fanbase is exactly why we've been in a free-fall ever since SAF retired. Such a load of shite.
At this point I honestly cannot tell whether it's still wumming or massive delusion. You should apologise to me for clicking the 'show ignored content' just to see this thread.
At this point I honestly cannot tell whether it's still wumming or massive delusion. You should apologise to me for clicking the 'show ignored content' just to see this thread.
True. Real fans are much more spoilt and demanding. And their club is a lot more successful.
Amazon prime age wtf? It’s faster going to the store...
Reports =/= what Woodward said
I do agree with what you said but there is an issue with the board and owners. I heard most the comments were #glazersout which I completely support doing it on social media as it’s a method that actually makes our board listen.
Putting pressure on the board pushes them to please the fans. So this means perhaps not taking out dividends, improving the stadium and perhaps giving more funds for players.
Putting pressure on the board pushes them to please the fans. So this means perhaps not taking out dividends, improving the stadium and perhaps giving more funds for players.
Amazon's inventory >>>>> your local stores inventory (and it can come same day and you don't have to leave your chair)
When you consider the extent of issues at this club placing emphasis on fans discontent is absolutely calamitous. Thread is meaningless although there are some elements of truth, if we were in a position City / Liverpool are in and have this issue then it's completely justified to call the fans spoiled brats.
Reality is the club is sliding backwards in every regard on and off the pitch.
Reality is the club is sliding backwards in every regard on and off the pitch.
To bad these type of owners wont see the thread title, they could run with it and make you bend over even more, customers dont deserve anything better anyway.
This is what I mean.
Woodwood absolutely said nothing. You've latched onto newspaper reports and taken it as fact. There was nothing substantial to a lot of these rumours, but because they haven't happened you're annoyed.
Those social media posts at this point are usually tired old memes for people to spam. I don’t think they actually mean it when they post them and they’re just trying to score likes and retweets by being the first one to recite them or posting them tongue in cheek as laugh or trying to bait responses, so things like “ANNOUNCE *PLAYER*”, “Thanks my son is now crying upon reading this” and “Delete this. How embarrassing” are all just meaningless now to me.
The annoying thing about it is it gets old quick, so get some new wummery material for me to laugh at for a minute or two then roll my eyes at after I see it spammed a million times after.
The annoying thing about it is it gets old quick, so get some new wummery material for me to laugh at for a minute or two then roll my eyes at after I see it spammed a million times after.
I certainly don’t.
I dislike the attitude of many of our players, I dislike the baller culture we’ve developed, I dislike the money that we have and continue to squander, I dislike the glazers, I dislike the management and decisions we’ve made over the last 6 or 7 years, I dislike the sh*t football we have played, the gradual stripping down of what Manchester United are about, the continual short-sightedness we have displayed, I dislike most of what we have done since Fergie left, and most of all I dislike the fact we have been making the same mistakes over and over and hoping for a different outcome.
And yet I am happy we are taking a well needed fresh approach now. I am willing to give them time with the hope that they will get their sh*t together. I realise 6+ years of mismanagement will not be resolved overnight, it is ridiculous to think otherwise.
True.
Jose should have been sacked ASAP after his disgraceful post match presser vs Sevilla. It was unreal that he survived.
Bernd Schuster(Real Madrid manager at the time) prior to their game vs Pep's Barcelona in the 2008-2009 season, said they had no chance vs Barcelona. He stepped down afterwards, because of the hurls of abuse he got from the fans and he pretty much had to step down.
Our match-going fans have been served up plenty of shit performances the past few days, and I rarely recall many boos.
It's funny because the op was probably the most negative person on here with Mourinho was in charge.
Was I?
How?
Edit: Just had a look through my threads. This is probably what you're referring to. I remember feeling slightly negative at the time.
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/ever...-mourinho-could-be-coming-to-fruition.433289/