You do realise that myocarditis is a (very rare) AE for just about every vaccination, right? So what we're talking about is an increased rate of myocarditis, which is not a feature of the mRNA vaccines but instead is linked to the J&J shot. Try to keep up!
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Bingpot.
This was literally explained to him in a previous post. At this point I’m going to presume he’s purposefully not getting it.
I’m happy to make the ban you’re bitching about permanent if you keep up with your anti-vax conspiracy shit.
The football forum really is the wild west compared to gen 
I'm pretty sure warmongers like Tony Blair,Obama,Bush, etc are all pro-vaccine.
Imagine that voting counts to prevent wars, as if warmongers do national polls asking people if its good idea to bomb a foreign country based on lies.
I'm vaccinated(not with Pfizer or J&J), but i respect people who chose not to trust big pharma, Pfizer and others have done some nasty shit experimenting in 3rd world countries, and getting away with it for decades.
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I hate the anti wax stuff, but seeing that people here think everyone is taking a vaccine to protect others and not themselves and their family first is ridiculously generous view on your average Joe. We just had a meeting about global warming in which most important people in the world flew by with 40 different planes, and president of USA was followed with 40 cars.
Guess what? People generally don't care about others, people care only about themselves, and partly about their closest group of people around them.
Guess what? People generally don't care about others, people care only about themselves, and partly about their closest group of people around them.
Yeah I doubt I was being all that serious mate.
It is though. There’s been an association between (transient, mild) myocarditis and the Pfizer vaccine. It’s the reason they’re only giving kids a single shot of this vaccine in the UK.
Of course, there’s an equally strong association between covid and myocarditis (as well as a whole host of other nasties that have zero association with the vaccine)
Is there even a confirmed link between Aguero’s thing and him having the vaccine? That’s aside from the rest of this drivel.
Control of the quality
Fecking hell you did it again.
Where did i say anything wrong? Also, I am probably jabbed more times than 90% of the posters here.Please continue with your one sided drivel. You guys obviously don’t have the ability to listen to a difference of opinion. Maybe it’s the side effect of the MRNA vaccine as well.
They should be free to choose whether they take it or not, as everyone should be.
If I’m a top level athlete I’m absolutely not taking a punt on any of the pseudo-vaccines right now.
If I’m a top level athlete I’m absolutely not taking a punt on any of the pseudo-vaccines right now.
dear oh dear
How are they “pseudo”?
Sure. I guess I should be more specific - I'm referring to severe myocarditis; the sort that could potentially impact an athlete's career (as that seems to be the concern of the other poster). Those more severe cases are almost entirely limited to the J&J shot.
Oh boy.
The Israeli Real-Time News Tuesday reported a 5-fold increase in sudden cardiac and unexplained deaths among FIFA players in 2021.
Since December, 183 professional athletes and coaches have suddenly collapsed, with 108 dead.
A Real-Time News investigation revealed that most of the athletes were males, with only 15 females, and the vast majority being 17-40 years of age. Only 21 are older (5 aged 42-45, six aged 46-49, 7 aged 51-54, and 3 others aged 60-64). 23 were teenagers, aged 12-17, of whom 16 died.
The investigation revealed in over 80 of the cases, such as football stars Sergio Aguero and Christian Eriksen, the athletes collapsed while playing, racing, or training, or immediately after. Scientific literature calls the phenomenon of athletes collapsing for reasons unrelated to injury rare.
Real-Time News emphasized that: “the list we have is even longer, but for the sake of caution, dozens of cases were removed, for which we did not have full details, so that only cases that were reported in detail were included.”
They continued: “in addition, cases were removed in which evidence of previous risk factors was mentioned, such as cardiac disease or diabetes.
To get a better picture of the data compared to previous years, Real-Time News only looked at data relating to deaths among athletes registered with FIFA, and compared the data regarding the number of sudden cardiac death (SCD)/sudden unexplained death (SUD) among athletes in previous years, to the number of cases in 2021.
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.or...explained-deaths-among-fifa-athletes-in-2021/
Since December, 183 professional athletes and coaches have suddenly collapsed, with 108 dead.
A Real-Time News investigation revealed that most of the athletes were males, with only 15 females, and the vast majority being 17-40 years of age. Only 21 are older (5 aged 42-45, six aged 46-49, 7 aged 51-54, and 3 others aged 60-64). 23 were teenagers, aged 12-17, of whom 16 died.
The investigation revealed in over 80 of the cases, such as football stars Sergio Aguero and Christian Eriksen, the athletes collapsed while playing, racing, or training, or immediately after. Scientific literature calls the phenomenon of athletes collapsing for reasons unrelated to injury rare.
Real-Time News emphasized that: “the list we have is even longer, but for the sake of caution, dozens of cases were removed, for which we did not have full details, so that only cases that were reported in detail were included.”
They continued: “in addition, cases were removed in which evidence of previous risk factors was mentioned, such as cardiac disease or diabetes.
To get a better picture of the data compared to previous years, Real-Time News only looked at data relating to deaths among athletes registered with FIFA, and compared the data regarding the number of sudden cardiac death (SCD)/sudden unexplained death (SUD) among athletes in previous years, to the number of cases in 2021.
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.or...explained-deaths-among-fifa-athletes-in-2021/
1) Your source is pure garbage
2) Your article uses as examples Eriksen (who wasn't vaccinated) and Aguero (who already had hear problems)
3) Covid can cause cardiac issues as well so it's impossible to determine any cause
4) How can you seriously believe an article that said they got their data looking at wikipedia published on frontlinedoctors
5) This is a real shame
Whats with the hostile reaction? Also, do you know how statistics works? The point of a 500% increase is to show the main picture to be able to compare the previous year to this one, never on that source did they claim that all accidents have been due to the vaccine, they are simply claiming that there has been a 500% increase. You are free to draw your own conclusions from that.
Also, why would young healthy fit people be collapsing from covid at a +500% rate in comparison to 2020 when Covid was also at its peak, with nobody vaccinated?
“Myocarditis and Pericarditis
Updated Nov. 12, 2021
CDC and its partners are actively monitoring reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. Active monitoring includes reviewing data and medical records and evaluating the relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.
Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system causes inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis.external icon Seek medical care if you or your child have symptoms of these conditions after COVID-19 vaccination. Myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been reported, especially in adolescents and young adult males within several days after COVID-19 vaccination.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html
“Summary
Since April 2021, increased cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported in the United States after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), particularly in adolescents and young adults. There has not been a similar reporting pattern observed after receipt of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (Johnson & Johnson).”
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ocarditis.html
Thats still a shitty source? One that has been heavily pushing the vaccine on even children?
https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com...vid19-vaccine/
ACS Risk Biomarkers Significantly Increase After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine
The study author concluded that “mRNA [vaccines] dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.”
ACS Risk Biomarkers Significantly Increase After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine
The study author concluded that “mRNA [vaccines] dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.”
Smk123 is that you?
Yes, im Smk123, also every athlete hesitant to take it and every person posting those studies its actually Smk123. He's also the only member of the american heart association.
The hostile reaction comes from the fact that you're pretending not to draw any conclusion but still post here an article from an infamous sh*ty pro-HCQ anti-vaccine website quoting an absolute garbage of a "study" from a shady israelian website. The mere fact that you endup on those websites shows you are totally biased.
The best part is when you double down by posting another non peer reviewed "study" from a fancy (but still sh*ty) website conducted by Steven Gundry, a disgraced doctor who tries to sell ineffective plant supplements and writes absurd diet books.
https://theskepticalcardiologist.co...ld-ignore-the-plant-paradox-by-steven-gundry/
Please stop wasting our time, most people here read what other caf members post to try to understand their point of view. You just wasted 20mn of my life i'm never getting back.
How am i "pretending" not to draw any conclusion? I have my conclusion already. You are free to take this information as you will, you think its complete bullshit because shady website shady doctor shady this shady that, and thats fine, its your life, feel free to believe who you want to believe.
And nice arguments by the way, must be nice to have the "no source will ever be good" card.
USA all-cause mortality, ages 25-44
This is the increase in all-cause mortality for the same week in 2021 vs 2020:
week #31 +13.89% higher in 2021
week #32 +22.13%
week #33 +24.29%
week #34 +32.56%
week #35 +36.25%
week #36 +35.27%
week #37 +36.04%
week #38 +40.75%
Usmortality.com, filter results by age, 25-44. Feel free to draw your own conclusions from that as well.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...rresponsible-claims-pundits-say-covid-likely/
Paywalled article but the studies cited show that even young adults are six times more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than the vaccine.
Paywalled article but the studies cited show that even young adults are six times more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than the vaccine.