100%. In my 40ish years watching football I’ve never known another change come anywhere near VAR in terms of how it’s fundamentally changed the experience of watching football (for the worse, obviously!)
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100% with you on this.
What I find the real funny part of all this is that so many that called for VAR now seem to be the greatest critics.
It's clear that it's being misused. VAR can be great for the game if implemented in the correct way. A lot of those who wanted it probably thought it was going to be done in the right way.
Well, i agree with you. It's not conspiracy. the evidence suggest that we are by far the most affected club in terms of VAR.
How VAR decisions affect each Premier League club in 2023-24 - ESPN
Clear and obvious is in play because the ref was called over to the pitch side monitor.
Fergie didn't have the refs in his pocket, they were just shit-scared of him
Conspiracy is not far away when you check how we have been treated this year alone. Not to mention other years. If we just check this year here a some incidents that we can take from many, many more.
Wolverhampton
We should have 2 penalties. Nothing. Wolves should have one. I wonder which was it was talked about all week?
Arsenal
Garnacho score beautifle goal just to get it disallowed. Lets put lines here and there so we can disallow it. Not only that. Let Arsenal players score goal and let us pretend it wasn't freekick in that situation.
Tottenham
How we don't get penalty in that important time when game was so tight we will never know. Shocking decision.
ManCity
Ghost penalty give to ManCity when the game was equal. Same things that happens at every corner kick. But lets make ManUtd pay for it.
Burnley
Lets disallow that Evans goal but lets make sure that we give them in other games.
Crystal Palace
Nothing to see when it comes to a handball. Lets also allow CP goal that was almost same as Evans got disallowed. Only difference. Scored by foot and colour of the shirt.
Fulham
Lets disallow McTominay goal. Why? Lets pretend Maguire was involved in that play so much that it made impact on that goal.
So, if they don't want people to think like it is conspiracy, release the tapes. Have mic och cam on referees and VAR room. Let them do interview after games. Start following own rules and punish clubs. Make sure that referees don't have jobs outside country in countries that actually own clubs. And so on.
It was predictable, to be fair. Anyone who was already refusing to accept human error and subjectivity was inevitably going to lose their shit when it turned out that VAR can't magic away the human element of officiating.
Rashford crossing for Hojlund ruled out of play. I'm sure there's more.
Absolutely getting roasted by VAR this season, thankfully we haven't looked for the sympathy vote like other clubs and have maintained a modicum of dignity.
Yep. All the complaints about inconsistent refereeing, about the handball rule - 95% of it was managers passing the buck to an easy scapegoat. The solutions diagnosed the wrong problems.
Garnacho was offside vs Arsenal.
Man City pen was soft, but it's accurate for the rules.
Out goal vs Burnley was offside (miles offside).
Not sure how you are even arguing the CP goal was similar and offside.
Fulham goal was offside, as has been discussed over and over. I have yet to see a professional say otherwise.
I could not remember the Wolves pen claims you are talking about, so I watched the highlights to remind myself but there is nothing there.
No idea why some United fans like to play the victim.
Garnacho was not offside. It is offside if you put lines wrong and wait until ball was passed and not the first contact before release of the ball.
How come there is so few, if any penalties, after corners when people wrestle with eachother? Why did we get decision against us? No penalties before and no after that game. How strange.
Evans goal was not offside. Keeper didn't have a chance. And if we compare, why did ManCity have their goal allowed for similiar if not worse situation?
CP goal. If you want to say that Evans goal was offside. Look at CP goal. The shot comes when they have other player in offside that we could argue did disturb Onana.
Fulham goal was onside. Magurie didn't touch the ball. He didn't in any way disturb goalkeeper or anyone else that was part of that goal.
There were two penalties we should have against Wolves. In first and second half. First was when ball hit hand almost on the way towards goal. The other was when Anthony played the ball and got tackled by their keeper. Almost same as Onanan but with his feet.
Highlights, professionals you talk about and so on are part of ABU. ManUtd fans don't need to play victims. We have fact and truth on our side. The only thing we want is transparency and that we are being treated in the same way as teams like ManCity, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham and so on.
Anyone seen the Celtic red card? Personally think it's ridiculous he got sent off that.
It's fine if that is enforced across leagues - unfortunate, probably unintentional but it's studs up, off the ground and badly timed - but we see these stay as yellows all the time.
I haven't seen this one but European refs are always more strict on this kind of thing, have been for years and long before VAR was ever a thing as well
Yep no doubt - the Celtic one we saw a lot in the PL last year where player stepped over the ball or got there slightly late and it was usually a yellow. in Europe any foot off the ground + contact runs the risk of being a red even if completely by accident (Nani being a prime example)
There was next to no force in the contact. That’s the important thing. It’s the force that is dangerous. It’s such a basic point I don’t see how referees keep messing up on it.
He was offside, using correct lines.
It was a soft penalty, but rules are rules.
Evans goal was offside, you cannot be in front of the keeper like that, that's very basic.
None of the players offside were close to the keeper. Had 0 impact.
Maguire was in the way of the defender and attempted to kick the ball, it was very close.
Stop trying to be a victim and blaming someone else for our losses.
Im suprised they didnt award a pen against Maguire for handball there, the refs in Europe have given much more ridiculous ones against us over the last 18 months.
The lines that were used were not correct.
Rulas are rules for who? Because if rules are rules, why aren't they being used for all teams. Why just us?
Wierd that impact is always negative towards us.
Maguire didn't disturb any player that could reach the ball. He had no effect on the goal.
I'm no trying to be victim. This is fact. What we need is transparency and answers why we are treated differently. Why don't we get same decisions as some other teams? Why don't we get our VAR tapes released? Why don't we get apologies even if they don't mean anything.
Here we go again
It said check over. Bizarre
Just feck off you cnut and die
I really don’t get it
you’ll see that happen in the next round of cl fixtures and it won’t even be reviewed
you’ll see that happen in the next round of cl fixtures and it won’t even be reviewed
Pretty obvious red tbf. Intent doesn't really matter and he wasn't remotely near the ball.
But Saka on Bruno in the Arsenal game wasn't even checked despite being at pace and deliberate 
Never a red card. What the hell?
ETH and United should make a HUGE fuss about this. Its about time
He had possession of the ball, what are you talking about?
Where there is the inevitable shit show
I take it you haven’t seen the incident
Harsh. I think it's another case of slowmotion and still pictures creating the illusion of an intent that isn't there. In real time hardly anyone would call that a red.
Don’t think we have much to complain about with this one. Hit him with studs above the ankle and nowhere near the ball.
I recall Fabinho doing that about six times last season and was never even booked, let alone reviewed and red-carded.
Don't think he can argue. They've targeted those sorts. Remember awbs red a fee seasons ago in the CL. Anything on the ankle like that is a red in Europe
This is fekked up
Blatant red, no argument really
It's an obvious red. But some will moan about literally every VAR decision against us as if there's a conspiracy
It did the same for Eriksen’s handball against Bayern.
So everyone who’s ever stepped across an opponent to protect the ball should be sent off if someone’s leg moves under them during that movement?