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Yeah god forbid United get the benefit of a decision correct or otherwise.And the whole world doesn't shut up about how unjust it is.
Yeah god forbid United get the benefit of a decision correct or otherwise.And the whole world doesn't shut up about how unjust it is.
Kinda unlucky that Saka slipped tbh. Not a redTweet
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Saka red card. Same Ref. But players treated differently.
Tbh - Saka is more of a red card than most given because he’s lost control, he’s trying to correct a mistake, he’s no where near the ball. He also had a sly kick out at Bruno left calf too - which has largely gone unnoticedKinda unlucky that Saka slipped tbh. Not a red
But It's Anthony Taylor, he loves controversion. UEL final last year and got plenty of it, without British mates defending him. More of a joke ABU media saying he's United fan because he's from Manchester but ignore the fact, that United gotten most red cards from him
I noticed that the commentating for a worldwide audience is very different from what I hear occasionally from Sky and BT. They have their biases but they don't show it anywhere to the same degree.One set of English-speaking commentators even said straight away that Gabriel's head was the bit that kept Garnacho onside. Seeing it now makes me feel even angrier.
100% Talksport, Sky Sports and the papers would be frothing at the mouth.It’s pretty clear he’s onside. We got robbed.
If this result was reversed and Arsenal got the office and penalty shout denied and then we won the game, there would be a media meltdown. PGMOL would have already issued a written apology to Arsenal. As it is, crickets.
does that make any difference to the rules?Agree with all of your shite take. Not a red card because contact is with his foot, rather than higher up his leg.
Absolutely, ETH and the players need to highlight it every time it happens. And just take the punishments on the chin. This can't keep going on, we've been robbed twice in 4 matches.Especially that ape-faced loser Martin Keown. He would have thrown feces all over the BBC studio for the second time in 8 days if the penalty was given.
This is where the proposal for amending the offside rule would make things clearer through the notion of a definite daylight between striker and last defender. I read that is it being tested in Italy, Netherlands and Sweden. But at the same time, I swear that the Premier League must upgrade its VAR support software to match FIFA's 3D scan of the entire pitch used in 2 World Cups now. You can't rely on an obsolete program time and time again.
One set of English-speaking commentators even said straight away that Gabriel's head was the bit that kept Garnacho onside. Seeing it now makes me feel even angrier.
As for Saka, that was worse than Casemiro's red card against So'ton last season.
After making the rounds on various social media, I agree with one thing in particular: United needs to be far more ferocious in publicly calling out shit officiating in the same manner that Pep and Klopp have done for years now.
It doesn’t. Textbook reckless tackle.does that make any difference to the rules?
studs up with force on the ankle is usually a red isn't it?
What gets me is that they decide to make decisions even in situations where they clearly can't say with certainty, because their angles are bad, the resolution and frames are too low, and their lines are shit. There's no reason why they can't, in situations like with Garnacho, say they genuinely can't call it.the offside law is infuriating bollocks that everyone has to deal with
Just because they correctly came to one decision doesn’t invalidate others they got wrong.I thought the match was officiated ok. I mean VAR did it’s job and overturned a penalty( rightly so) yet the moaning continues. The match was lost because of who was in defence after the 90th minute. Thats it.
Yep VAR is being used to make decisions for a rule that was never meant to be micromanaged to such ridiculous levels.I am no football historian but I’m almost sure that what offside is in modern football is not what it was meant to be when the rule was put into place.
In my opinion the entire offside rule needs reviewing. Unless there is clear daylight between the attacker and the defender, it should be onside. We are getting ridiculous situations where you’re getting a shoulder or a kneecap offside, which I don’t think is actually making the game any better.
See awb in the CL 2 seasons agoIt doesn’t. Textbook reckless tackle.
Definitely. After Cnuty McCnutcnut (can't be arsed checking his name) came out the other week and admitted to not giving the correct decision as VAR to help his on pitch mate Fecklesbury Hound. That should've been the moment when the entire integrity of the system was brought into question.The Hojlund incident looks more and more like a stonewall pen.
The VAR officials needs to be an independent group from the FA refs.
Their penalty was incorrectly given. Ours was incorrectly not given. How do those two things rule each other out?I thought the match was officiated ok. I mean VAR did it’s job and overturned a penalty( rightly so) yet the moaning continues. The match was lost because of who was in defence after the 90th minute. Thats it.
Sutton's whole MO is to take the most contentious stance on any issue. He has no interest in providing a fair assessment of what's going on. The sooner he is confined to Talksport and only Talksport the better for the rest of the listening public.I assume Chris Sutton and Gabby Agbonlahor have been frothing at the mouth with rage over our denied penalty on Hojlund yesterday, considering they care so much about the standard of officiating.
I mean obviously you'd say that but you've taken one correct decision (great) and are ignoring all the other match deciding moments because it's convenient as a WUM. Or you just didn't watch the game, which would make more sense.I thought the match was officiated ok. I mean VAR did it’s job and overturned a penalty( rightly so) yet the moaning continues. The match was lost because of who was in defence after the 90th minute. Thats it.
That show infuriates me, you've got a former ref and a die hard scouser chuckling away at how the decisions were "correct"
Frankly it's embarrassing. If it wasn't for the games, not a chance I would be paying for the crap on Sky Sports or TNT.The worst thing about that is they just take his word as gospel and never ever push back or interrogate it even when what he’s saying is obviously completely illogical or inconsistent with what he said the week before.
What about the red card Saka should have had, the penalty Hojlund should have had, the foul on Evans when Arsenal scored their 2nd, or Garnacho ruled offside when it looked like he was onside?I thought the match was officiated ok. I mean VAR did it’s job and overturned a penalty( rightly so) yet the moaning continues. The match was lost because of who was in defence after the 90th minute. Thats it.
Its because it was an Arsenal player fouling a Man Utd player, if it had have been a Man Utd player on an Arsenal player at the other end Sky Spkrts News would have it on a continous loop all week and every TalkSport presenter would be ranting about it.Referring aside why potential penalty on Højlund even wasn’t shown on TV?
Referring aside why potential penalty on Højlund even wasn’t shown on TV?
We all know the answer. They aren’t even hiding it anymore.I'd say that there needs to be a conversation around VAR after yesterday but what's the fecking point? Only United get decisions apparently, and I'm not surprised everyone thinks that since not a single media outlet are giving a shit about yesterday's mistakes.
The coverage was garbage. Didn’t show that incident and also not a single replay of Rashford’s skill on the end line. Yet every couple of minutes they seemed to have time for lengthy footage of Arteta poncing around on the sideline.Referring aside why potential penalty on Højlund even wasn’t shown on TV?
That's the key thing, the narrative - even though Ten Hag rightfully raised these points at the end of the game, it's not gained any traction and media outlets have clearly got no desire to pick this up and make it a talking point.I'd say that there needs to be a conversation around VAR after yesterday but what's the fecking point? Only United get decisions apparently, and I'm not surprised everyone thinks that since not a single media outlet are giving a shit about yesterday's mistakes.
Should Lindelof also have been sent off for the head kick on Nketiah? I’d say that was equally reckless, with the added factor of boot to head contact.It doesn’t. Textbook reckless tackle.
This is the same as the handball against Luton not being talked about anywhere... Like it never happened.Referring aside why potential penalty on Højlund even wasn’t shown on TV?
No.Should Lindelof also have been sent off for the head kick on Nketiah?
And I think therein lies the problem. I’d guess that if the situations were directly reversed you would be describing the head kick as ‘quite clearly a red’.No.
Saka's was quite clearly a red though.
Neither were reds for me.Should Lindelof also have been sent off for the head kick on Nketiah? I’d say that was equally reckless, with the added factor of boot to head contact.
Personally, I think neither should have been reds, but historically you’ll find examples when both types of foul *have* been. I think both teams benefitted from the referee’s leniency yesterday.
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No that was low head. Not high foot.Should Lindelof also have been sent off for the head kick on Nketiah? I’d say that was equally reckless, with the added factor of boot to head contact.
Personally, I think neither should have been reds, but historically you’ll find examples when both types of foul *have* been. I think both teams benefitted from the referee’s leniency yesterday.
Yeah, I’d agree. The difficulty is, we’ve likely seen occasional examples of similar fouls given as reds in the past, which allows people an angle to claim unfair or incompetent treatment. I reckon 90% of referees don’t give reds for either.Neither were reds for me.