It questions what they actually look at and how closely they do. This isn’t just getting it wrong but a complete breakdown in protocol.
Agreed. It's unforgivable that we have a technology to remove errors from the game now being used to intervene and disallow legitimate goals like Garnacho's winner against Arsenal.
Garnacho was onside. That was clear when ball was being passed forward. Drawing lines when ball is already on the way is wrong in every aspect. However, no apology issued to us against Arsenal. No apology issued when we didn't get penalty against Tottenham. No apology issude today when we didn't get penalty. No apology issued against Wolverhampton when they didn't gave us 2 penalties. No apology issued when Evans scored clear goal last week.
The technology compensates for the angle in relation to drawing the line, not to spotting the correct body part. It won’t take much to go outside the margin of error and there’s absolutely no reason why they would use a worse angle and ignore the angle that was straight on.
Exactly. Either they replay this Spurs game (can of worms I know) or they allow Klopp 2 minutes of screen time calling each ref involved in the game cnuts, bastards, mother feckers, clear Arab money grabbing cheats, etc.
Woopsie!
Klopp rightly furious, like this does feck all. And they can’t even really call these morons out without getting additional bans and fines.
Them deciding to not draw the lines offers zero insight on how accurate the lines are when they do draw them.
Not true. The greater the perspective angle from the camera to the line being interpreted, the greater the margin of error of the technology (i.e. the 3% error rate becomes a greater real world distance) and also if the wrong frame is selected (Garnacho v Arsenal) then that error is magnified with a more obtuse angle.
As per the tech, which was applied in complete line with how it is supposed to be, he was offside.
I never said that in relation to your post?
It's been like that ever since VAR was introduced for me. So many questionable calls.
Yeah, as usual the story should be the complete incompetence and cowardice of the officials involved. Get rid of them. Get in some actual decent officials in, from wherever in the world they might be. How much could it really cost to get the bloke who had the World Cup final from the Polish league? Keep the VAR officials and the on-field referees separate so there's no more "my mate on the field is right" arse-covering bullshit.
You replied to my post to a poster who is saying that.
It was like that before VAR the refs arr the problem, there should be no Human intervention with VAR calls like offside, make it all computer based.
To be fair, tey've already given Liverpool a greater compensation than any other club by acknowledging it and apologising. United have had potential or actual game changing VAR errors against Wolves, Spurs, Arsenal, Palace and nothing but denials from Webb and Gallagher.
The wrong frame was not selected. They selected the first frame available to them in which it was clear the ball was played, which was exactly what they were supposed to use.
Not checking the offside has nothing to do with the technology. Its just pure negligence. He should be reffing again.
I don't know if they did use wrong angle or not. The only thing I can say is that he wasn't offside because they were not drawing lines when ball was released. Lines were put when ball was under way.
Ball was already released in the VAR frame used. With two players travelling in opposite directions at high speed, can make a significant difference.
The amount of times I’ve read this. It’s just a video replay, the lines and freezing is no where near accurate enough.Nah, hands firmly tucked in towards the body, never a pen.
This is my biggest complaint with Ten Hag. It’s happening week after week and all he says is he doesn’t want to make excuses.
Ten Hag does point our decisions that go against, but imo it's just done with a shoulder shrug
Been saying that for long time. Both him and club are just letting everyone down by being to nice.
100%
As I said, they're supposed to use the first frame available to them in which the ball has been clearly played. So I don't know why you're saying the bold as if you didn't expect to see the ball having been played in the frame they used. There is indeed room for difference between that frame and the hypothetical perfect frame that would exist if the camera framerate was better, which is why they have the MOE Garnacho fell outside. You can feel free to complain that the MOE doesn't sufficiently compensate for the gap in frames if you want, but it is what it is. Until the tech improves, they can only work with the frames and MOE at their disposal, which they did.
Game’s been going downhill for a good while. VAR has accelerated the decline.
I agree that VAR has been a net negative, and the one time they have the chance to show the usefulness of VAR (overturning the offside decision for Diaz's goal), they just feck it up in spectacular fashion.
I thought you said in the past, may have been someone else, that the offside is called from when it first touches the passers foot, not when it leaves the foot. What does it mean ‘when it’s played’? Massive difference in frames to when it first touches the passers foot to when it leaves it
