VAR and Refs | General Discussion

[Daydreamer]

Yes, in the choice of which players and which bodyparts to use. If the judges are unsure, they can also try different bodyparts, but with a good angle that's usually not necessary.

Both me and @sullydnl said several times that camera angles are important for this function, so you already know that I of course acknowledge this. Why are you asking as if you don't?

Some people prefer to oversimplify to “win” arguments.

For example, let’s say a handball is given against a player because his arm is judged to be in an unnatural position, for the purpose of that aspect of the handball law, intent doesn’t matter. But for other aspects of judging handball, intent very much does matter.

So when it comes to handball, does intent matter? Reducing that down to a yes/no question makes no sense.

It’s the same with the camera angle when it comes to offsides.

Pages of moaning about a close offside call that didn’t go your way weeks ago feels a little small-time. Before VAR, to keep harping on about a marginal call a month later would be unheard of.

 

[ManUnitedCanuck]

They better start realeasing the audio for every decision from here on out. OR they are now determining when they think it should be released? That doesn’t seem fair to everyone in the league.

 

[Pexbo]

They better start realeasing the audio for every decision from here on out. OR they are now determining when they think it should be released? That doesn’t seem fair to everyone in the league.

I’ve got a funny feeling that VAR officials are suddenly going to be very careful about what they say.

 

[saivet]

A bit confused as to why so many are adamant that Garnacho was onside vs Arsenal. At worst it looks like a tight call but it's really not similar to the situation at the weekend which was clear cut.

 

[NotThatSoph]

They better start realeasing the audio for every decision from here on out. OR they are now determining when they think it should be released? That doesn’t seem fair to everyone in the league.

Here you go, it's a regular thing they do:

- https://www.premierleague.com/news/3673547
- https://www.skysports.com/football/...r-league-in-game-audio-shown-in-new-programme

 

[Rojofiam]

Just seen this, as much as I hate Liverpool I'm genuinely disgusted by this...and how many of our games they must have messed up like this?

 

[McGrathsipan]

The tech that's meant to Eliminate critical errors has now caused a massive one in an important fixture that could have millions riding on it if Liverpool lose out on CL or a title by a point etc.
It's a total and utterly depressing thing for football and those delighted that it happened to Liverpool need to look by that.

That something like this can happen in the PL is appalling

 

[Compton22]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but on the TV cameras that we see during the game, it says what the VAR is checking for in the top left corner usually. On this occasion it said it was checking a "disallowed goal - offside". It's quite clear on the audio that VAR thought the goal was given and they were checking a possible offside. The lack of clear and concise communication is the obvious contributor to the human error here, as well as the pace at which they are directed to make a decision.

Plus, they're all talking over the top of each other without any sort of hierarchy or methodology. Very amateur stuff for a professional football league all round really and common sense should have prevailed on the day but didn't. I was floating with the idea of conspiracy theories or whatever else before hearing the audio but I'm more inclined to believe this to be a mistake. A very grave and stupid mistake, but just that.

Just hearing Darren England going "aaaaand stop, check complete, check complete" beggars belief. Can only imagine how Liverpool feel hearing the incompetence.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Howard Webb should be sacked. He's the boss and he's fecked up.

 

[Himannv]

Like monkeys with typewriters sitting in their little room and shitting themselves. Nitwits.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

 

[acnumber9]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

What a remarkably dangerous precedent that would be. Will never happen though.

 

[Alex99]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

Ultimately, it was just incompetent officiating - something that has happened for the entire history of the game.

I can't see it happening because it's such a farcical suggestion (and a cursory look doesn't show Mirror Football's twitter account or the sports page on the website saying any of this anyway), but we may as well just scrap the sport if this ever happens.

 

[Dave Smith]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

That would be the most ridiculous thing ever. If they redo that game then they would be required to replay multiple games.

 

[Fr. Todd Unctious]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

Can worms open every springs to mind. Then again they've always bent over for these cnuts so nothing would surprise me

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

That would be the most ridiculous thing ever. If they redo that game then they would be required to replay multiple games.

Sheffield United got relegated due to a dodgy decision

 

[Red Dreams]

 

[Idxomer]

Sheffield United got relegated due to a dodgy decision

No, but Aston Villa got to stay in the league because of that decision.

 

[MegadrivePerson]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

Zero per cent chance that happens.

 

[Pexbo]

Zero per cent chance that happens if it was anyone but Liverpool.

FTFY

 

[erikcred]

Spurs Liverpool game could be replayed

https://x.com/football__tweet/status/1709515330941300897?s=46&t=KyFqPUjN-jx4Sqob6u4n3Q

What a remarkably dangerous precedent that would be. Will never happen though.

Ultimately, it was just incompetent officiating - something that has happened for the entire history of the game.

I can't see it happening because it's such a farcical suggestion (and a cursory look doesn't show Mirror Football's twitter account or the sports page on the website saying any of this anyway), but we may as well just scrap the sport if this ever happens.

That would be the most ridiculous thing ever. If they redo that game then they would be required to replay multiple games.

Can worms open every springs to mind. Then again they've always bent over for these cnuts so nothing would surprise me

Zero per cent chance that happens.

Not sure why this is being discussed as if this is a legitimate piece of news.

Put it in the same basket as "Hamilton may have to give up his first F1 championship to Massa, says random lawyer" and "Verstappen may have to give up his first F1 championship to Hamilton, says random lawyer".

 

[Alex99]

Not sure why this is being discussed as if this is a legitimate piece of news.

Put it in the same basket as "Hamilton may have to give up his first F1 championship to Massa, says random lawyer" and "Verstappen may have to give up his first F1 championship to Hamilton, says random lawyer".

I did acknowledge that there appears to be absolutely no basis for the claim despite the tweet tagging Mirror Football.

 

[acnumber9]

Not sure why this is being discussed as if this is a legitimate piece of news.

Put it in the same basket as "Hamilton may have to give up his first F1 championship to Massa, says random lawyer" and "Verstappen may have to give up his first F1 championship to Hamilton, says random lawyer".

Which is probably why all of us said it won’t happen.

 

[Fr. Todd Unctious]

Klopp has actually called for it to be replayed

The absolute brass neck

 

[Oranges038]

It won't be replayed.

That audio was terrible, they fecking thought the on field decision was a goal. Chris Kamara level stuff.

Ridiculous. All of them should be sacked.

 

[erikcred]

I did acknowledge that there appears to be absolutely no basis for the claim despite the tweet tagging Mirror Football.

Which is probably why all of us said it won’t happen.

I know

I was just making the point that there is a difference between "interesting thought, but won't happen" and "so outrageous, why would someone even bother making something up like that".

In fact, I recently found out:
"Sports lawyer says United may have to give up 2 league titles to Liverpool because they once played a home game at Anfield, activating a little known First Division rule". Discuss.

 

[AdamColeBebe]

Klopp thinks he's getting a replay

 

[AdamColeBebe]

Not sure why this is being discussed as if this is a legitimate piece of news.

Put it in the same basket as "Hamilton may have to give up his first F1 championship to Massa, says random lawyer" and "Verstappen may have to give up his first F1 championship to Hamilton, says random lawyer".

It is though isn't it?

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

I've got nothing wrong with PGMOL apologizing and swiftly releasing the audio at the request of Liverpool, but in the future they will have to be applied to all other clubs who may feel wronged by VAR

 

[redIndianDevil]

In cricket we can hear what the third umpire is talking to the onfield umpire while checking reviews. That's the way to go for VAR as well.

 

[BlueMoonOutcast]

Jurgen Klopp should be utterly ashamed to even whisper the word 'replay'. Absolutely pathetic behaviour from a so-called top manager.

 

[redIndianDevil]

I've got nothing wrong with PGMOL apologizing and swiftly releasing the audio at the request of Liverpool, but in the future they will have to be applied to all other clubs who may feel wronged by VAR

I think it was a bad precedent to set, obvious human error from the transcript but now every team is going to demand this. PGMOL could have just played the tape behind doors to Liverpool to show it was just human error.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Klopp has actually called for it to be replayed

The absolute brass neck

I fail to see how this isn't anything other than intimidation at this point. Yes, it was an outrageous decision but Liverpool like every other team has benefitted from these kinds of mistakes.

 

[Orton]

If the result went in their favour I’m pretty sure the way this wouldn’t have blown up like it did. Can think of tonnes of decisions through VAR that were awful but nobody speaks about that anymore. Liverpool however, it needs to go further. What’s this about a replay? How could that even happen? Football is ruined if that ever became a thing.

 

[reddyornot]

Was yesterdays game, the first time this season, where VAR didn't get a decision wrong in one of our games?

 

[RedDevil@84]

Them releasing the audio from Diaz’s goal is going to start a trend and we must follow it.

We won't. We will say referees are doing an excellent job and they know what to do.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Klopp has actually called for it to be replayed

The absolute brass neck

He knows PL, FA and media are working overtime to appease them and he wants to milk it.

 

[NotThatSoph]

I think it was a bad precedent to set, obvious human error from the transcript but now every team is going to demand this. PGMOL could have just played the tape behind doors to Liverpool to show it was just human error.

It's not a precedent, they have apologized and released audio many times before.

 

[MegadrivePerson]

I think it was a bad precedent to set, obvious human error from the transcript but now every team is going to demand this. PGMOL could have just played the tape behind doors to Liverpool to show it was just human error.

Surely it's a good precedent? Why should incompetent officials be allowed to hide away and get away with this sort of thing?

I wonder how many times this sort of thing has happened before?

 

[Josep Dowling]

Klopp using the media once again to manipulate decisions on the pitch. That's them for the rest of the season receiving favourable decisions by refs. Needs to be called out by other managers as all clubs in the league could point back to VAR decisions that have gone against them, and cost them points. Liverpool in particular have had so many decisions go there way. Only last season they had a clear offside goal against Wolves in the FA cup. It should have been disallowed but the goal was given and they won the game. Did Liverpool ask for the game to be replayed? Even Wolves didn't bother.