SuperiorXI
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It's a disgrace, the city one was more of a pen than this.
I would say that all three should have been penalties looking at replays. I don't know how you can sit in VAR room and not give them.Anyone who has seen this would probably agree with something being off.
United.Why is nobody talking about it on commentary! Wtf is going on?
That's the problem though isn't itI don’t see VAR over ruling the ref there.
Lee Dixon said it was a bad decision but they're happy enough with the outcome for the underdog narrative and spectacle.Why is nobody talking about it on commentary! Wtf is going on?
Dixon has basically been a Coventry fanWhy is nobody talking about it on commentary! Wtf is going on?
Exactly right5 penalties conceded in 4 games,with one being chalked off. Zero out of five were 'stonewall penalties', and all were given by the on pitch ref.
Why is it so easy to give decisions against United for these officials. To me this is the biggest problem. As a ref there is zero risk to giving a big call against United.
Look at today, praised for supporting the underdog. It’s a joke5 penalties conceded in 4 games,with one being chalked off. Zero out of five were 'stonewall penalties', and all were given by the on pitch ref.
Why is it so easy to give decisions against United for these officials. To me this is the biggest problem. As a ref there is zero risk to giving a big call against United.
The problem is that giving United the benefit of the doubt or calling in their favour is seen as controversial and worthy of questioning whether a referee should be suspended.5 penalties conceded in 4 games,with one being chalked off. Zero out of five were 'stonewall penalties', and all were given by the on pitch ref.
Why is it so easy to give decisions against United for these officials. To me this is the biggest problem. As a ref there is zero risk to giving a big call against United.
I personally don’t think soThat's the problem though isn't it
It was the non pen against wolves and the media outrage after it. Yes that was the start of the season and yes it's still going on.5 penalties conceded in 4 games,with one being chalked off. Zero out of five were 'stonewall penalties', and all were given by the on pitch ref.
Why is it so easy to give decisions against United for these officials. To me this is the biggest problem. As a ref there is zero risk to giving a big call against United.
Under the rules (of an arm moving towards the body and not towards the ball), it’s debatable.Come on guys that was penalty and even if you have doubts it wasn't by any means clear and obvious error .
They are giving bribes to corrupt referees though. False equivalence.Until we say something this shit will happen over the over.
Look at Guardiola; he gets decisions and still moans.
Really? You've already forgotten last weekend when the ball pinballed off someone into the shoulder of a defender and got given a penalty for it then... Then VAR used inconclusive angles to overturn a penalty against you.The problem is that giving United the benefit of the doubt or calling in their favour is seen as controversial and worthy of questioning whether a referee should be suspended.
I get the irritation about inconsistency but I was just talking about this incident in isolation .Under the rules (of an arm moving towards the body and not towards the ball), it’s debatable.
I think the issue is Grealish is so obviously a penalty and VAR says nothing. It’s the contrast in some decisions and some teams (Kovacic red, Doku kick, offside goals, etc)
The referee gave a penalty for something that was clearly ridiculous? Thanks for bringing up another example to prove my point.Really? You've already forgotten last weekend when the ball pinballed off someone into the shoulder of a defender and got given a penalty for it then... Then VAR used inconclusive angles to overturn a penalty against you.
How were they inconclusive when they easily showed where the foul happened, which was outside the boxThen VAR used inconclusive angles to overturn a penalty against you.
Well the issue for me is this clear and obvious crap.I personally don’t think so
Handball I think it's fair not to give it given the distance and the third isn't clear from that videoThe 3 non-penalty decisions:
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I think the handball would be a bit harsh, he's pretty close and can't really react. The challenges though, he's very very "lucky" to escape both.
Really? You've already forgotten last weekend when the ball pinballed off someone into the shoulder of a defender and got given a penalty for it then... Then VAR used inconclusive angles to overturn a penalty against you.
Exactly. It's also why in our game today things played out the way they did. It's silly because not only do you see inconsistencies over two days but you see them within games that are an hour apart!Well the issue for me is this clear and obvious crap.
It's either a penalty or not. A third party shouldn't have to decide if they ref made an egregious error or not to make an objective judgement on a handball.
The clear and obvious test is why you get what I consider was a penalty yesterday not given and a non penalty given today. It's an added layer of complexity which leads to inconsistency in decisions.
Said it so many times refereeing is now about creating drama, nothing else. Dixon even said he thought it was wrong but glad VAR didn’t overturn because of the drama. Football has become a joke.Referees and VAR got a chance to create a story and went for it. Shocking decision, his bringing his arm in and it hits him high.
Even worse after City yesterday, absolutely ridiculous.
Meanwhile the useless knob that's in charge of the referees is happy because no one wants re-refereeingExactly. It's also why in our game today things played out the way they did. It's silly because not only do you see inconsistencies over two days but you see them within games that are an hour apart!
The ball hits his hand and so whether its a penalty or not now becomes subjective. Like I said previously I wouldn't expect that to be overturned.Well the issue for me is this clear and obvious crap.
It's either a penalty or not. A third party shouldn't have to decide if they ref made an egregious error or not to make an objective judgement on a handball.
The clear and obvious test is why you get what I consider was a penalty yesterday not given and a non penalty given today. It's an added layer of complexity which leads to inconsistency in decisions.
Yeah, they seem more interested in dictating the outcome of game by creating drama than refereeing the games properly.Said it so many times refereeing is now about creating drama, nothing else. Dixon even said he thought it was wrong but glad VAR didn’t overturn because of the drama. Football has become a joke.
The word subjective is being thrown out a lot, as if the guidelines for handball are complicated, they aren't.The ball hits his hand and so whether its a penalty or not now becomes subjective. Like I said previously I wouldn't expect that to be overturned.
Ball hits his hand. He moved his hand towards himself which happens to also be towards the path of the ball. This case it not a case where imo you can say its clearly not a pen.The word subjective is being thrown out a lot, as if the guidelines for handball are complicated, they aren't.
You'd think the interpretation of handball is like asking women about anal sex.
If it's too soft to be given then it should be overturned is my point. The VAR in this incidence is not reviewing the incident that occurred on the pitch, he's making a judgement on the ref's decision which is a nonsense.The ball hits his hand and so whether its a penalty or not now becomes subjective. Like I said previously I wouldn't expect that to be overturned.
I never said its too soft to be givenIf it's too soft to be given then it should be overturned is my point. The VAR in this incidence is not reviewing the incident that occurred on the pitch, he's making a judgement on the ref's decision which is a nonsense.