Dr. StrangeHate
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Is the "clear and obvious" rule a Howard Web rule or a FIFA rule?
I support this one more.https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6CBCr8NmpA/?igsh=Y2Ntemh1NTEycjB2
Forest release a further statement!
I dont for a second believe that he would have endorsed Forest putting out a tweet that basically accused the officials of being bias especially when some of those officials are his friends.Or he’s advised them?
That’s completely unrealistic. Clattenberg doesn’t have any friends.I dont for a second believe that he would have endorsed Forest putting out a tweet that basically accused the officials of being bias especially when some of those officials are his friends.
For that one, the VAR drew crappy lines. No way was it that tight. That Coventry player was definitely offside.The Coventry goal was offside. You could see it without lines. In fact the lines made it look tight when it was clear. Half his body was ahead of AWB.
They are using 'clear and obvious' as the deciding factor which in of itself introduces another layer of subjectivity, it has just made things worse.Var is pointless if it isn’t there to overrule wrong decisions. That’s literally supposed to be the entire point of it.
This is it. You’ve got someone looking at an obviously wrong decision, then having to ask themselves if it’s quite wrong enough to merit getting involved. Which leads to vastly different outcomes game to game.They are using 'clear and obvious' as the deciding factor which in of itself introduces another layer of subjectivity, it has just made things worse.
WTF?!
As bad as United were, offside is offside fekkin WUM ABU
Neville is running defence for the refs. I see nothing wrong with the Forest statement really, a VAR official with an obvious conflict of interest shouldn't be involved. The idea that teams should roll over for such poor officiating, or in the case of Michael Oliver being employed by City's owners, overt corruption, gets on my nerves.Listening to Gary Neville's comments about Mark Clattenberg I think he is right, Forest have put him in a really bad position with their tweets today, he would be right to resign and walk away.
Said exactly the same. It’s complete nonsense.Beyond hilarious seeing all the ABU's screaming conspiracy about the goal being ruled out while ignoring that Coventry got their penalty deep into injury time
Same people would have said feck all it it had been down the other end
The meltdown on social media is quite something. Alleging corruptness etc. We seem to live rent free in rival fans heads.Beyond hilarious seeing all the ABU's screaming conspiracy about the goal being ruled out while ignoring that Coventry got their penalty deep into injury time
Same people would have said feck all it it had been down the other end
i find it a bit amusing, but i do think Clattenburg is involved in it as he knows these twats.Listening to Gary Neville's comments about Mark Clattenberg I think he is right, Forest have put him in a really bad position with their tweets today, he would be right to resign and walk away.
Distance is irrelevant, Young goes into the situation with his hand stretched out and he literally blocks a cross from going to the opposition.Handball I think it's fair not to give it given the distance and the third isn't clear from that video
The first one though that's pure corruption
Who the feck is Gary Neville to suggest someone resigns? He’s lost the plot, the logic of not questioning refs is basically the same as you can’t question politicians or the police because they’re in positions of ‘authority’. Everything should be based on performance and if a professional body is making so many errors it needs a complete overhaul.Listening to Gary Neville's comments about Mark Clattenberg I think he is right, Forest have put him in a really bad position with their tweets today, he would be right to resign and walk away.
As I said yesterday, refereeing in and around the premier league is in the state it’s in because it’s had three decades of refs being protected from all criticism.Who the feck is Gary Neville to suggest someone resigns? He’s lost the plot, the logic of not questioning refs is basically the same as you can’t question politicians or the police because they’re in positions of ‘authority’. Everything should be based on performance and if a professional body is making so many errors it needs a complete overhaul.
Exactly. They’ve even given them more air time and allow them these extra money making jobs in the Middle East. Howard Webb literally thinks he’s an A list celebrity the way he acts.As I said yesterday, refereeing in and around the premier league is in the state it’s in because it’s had three decades of refs being protected from all criticism.
Agree with you 120%They have to get some proper rules on this handball business and apply it to the rules.
I never like to see a pen given when a ball is smacked at a player from a yard or 2 away, especially when they're jumping and arms and hands do move.
I think the problem is the implication of cheating.I don't see anything wrong with forest statement
neville,carragher and the lot should shut up as well. Just accepting mistakes and the stupid 'it evens itself over the season' bollocks to excuse mistakes from var.
Were in a loop where refs hardly make decisions thinking, ok var will sort it out if wrong. Meanwhile var don't wanna give it cos it will make the ref friend look wrong
There's no consistency either. If awb was a penalty than same game utd should have had one.
Howard webb has made it worse somehow.
There are proper rules with guidelines and examples. It’s not really complicated. The crux is that you task referees to make a split second decision that then hinders VAR from intervening due to clear and obvious. Things happen fast, maybe what they only see is the moment the ball hits the arm without the context of movement, they make a decision and that’s it, VAR will never get involved unless it’s a handball situation the ref hasn’t seen. That’s why you end up with absurd outcomes where clear handballs are waived on, while less clear situations results in penalties. VAR should easily be able to identify If it’s a penalty or not, rather than focusing on «decisions on the pitch and clear and obvious faults».They have to get some proper rules on this handball business and apply it to the rules.
I never like to see a pen given when a ball is smacked at a player from a yard or 2 away, especially when they're jumping and arms and hands do move.
Look at Clattenburgs comments on his actions in the Chelsea - Tottenham match, Mike Dean about his role as VAR, the complete lack of transparancy. If Attwell is a Luton fan, then it should be fecking obvious to everyone he should be nowhere near matches that can impact Luton.I think the problem is the implication of cheating.
It should also be obvious that Michael Oliver being someone who is paid by the 115 Charges FC owners should be nowhere near their games but here we areLook at Clattenburgs comments on his actions in the Chelsea - Tottenham match, Mike Dean about his role as VAR, the complete lack of transparancy. If Attwell is a Luton fan, then it should be fecking obvious to everyone he should be nowhere near matches that can impact Luton.
The problem is the fact PGMOL do nothing to avoid obvious conflicts on interest, it needs to be called out, especially if they were warned prior to the gameI think the problem is the implication of cheating.
I think there's no need to go down the conspiracy route when we have seen this season that it's less about conspiracies and more about referees being incompetent/the clear and obvious aspect of VAR.Look at Clattenburgs comments on his actions in the Chelsea - Tottenham match, Mike Dean about his role as VAR, the complete lack of transparancy. If Attwell is a Luton fan, then it should be fecking obvious to everyone he should be nowhere near matches that can impact Luton.
These 2 things are not exclusive. It's evident there are massive instances of conflict of interest (at the very least) that are just accepted as BAU and brushed off. That doesn't mean that refs aren't also incompetent. I think there's absolutely a "need" to go down that route, considering most people involved in the sport are just blindly accepting these things.I think there's no need to go down the conspiracy route when we have seen this season that it's less about conspiracies and more about referees being incompetent/the clear and obvious aspect of VAR.
Conflict of interest though doesn't equal cheating and that statement to me implies that Forest are saying cheating has taken place.These 2 things are not exclusive. It's evident there are massive instances of conflict of interest (at the very least) that are just accepted as BAU and brushed off. That doesn't mean that refs aren't also incompetent.
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Sure, it can be subjective. But If you create VAR with a purpose to create a more fair game, I'd say it's probably fair enough to flag it for offside to equal out the other big mistake of giving the penalty. The mistake that lead to Coventry going into overtime in the first place.Offsides under VAR:
Man guesses which frame represents the one where the ball is played. He then guesses on a heavily pixilated image, taken from a camera about 70 yards away where a line should be drawn parallel to the attacker and one for the last defender. He also makes an assumption that the angles from that image are accurate.
People who defend VAR's involvement in incredibly tight offside decisions as "factual" need to stop. There's so much subjectivity and room for human error. Goals like the one disallowed yesterday, or Garnacho's against Arsenal earlier on this season, should never be ruled out by virtue of guess work that the frame used represented the moment the ball was played. VAR cannot determine that accurately when it's so close.