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No brainer decisions. Deliberate handball on the line, unless we're going to argue he accidentally moved his arms in the direction of the ball to stop it. He'd be a pretty good goalkeeper with those instincts for moving exactly towards the ball without any intention.

Then manhandling and probably verbally abusing a referee. Needs to be totally stamped out.
 

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The only controversy from this match is why there would be any uproar from the penalty and red cards.
Most obvious decisions yet it will be talked about for weeks again.
 

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The only controversy from this match is why there would be any uproar from the penalty and red cards.
Most obvious decisions yet it will be talked about for weeks again.
It won't. Its the only decision that could be made. Willian didn't even complain
 

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There's not really any controversy there- all were red cards. I mean, what do you actually expect? Fulham were by far the better team but threw it away.
 

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No issues at all with the ref today and don't understand the Fulham meltdown. Easy decision when looked at closely.
 

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Would have hit his body if his arm wasn't there anyway, it was tucked in next to his body? Made the mistake of not having arms behind his back?

Intentional handball?
Serious or wum?
 

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The refs did well today, definate handball and it stopped a goal so had to be a red as well.

Mitrovic was very stupid there getting sent off for the push on the ref and should face additional punishment for his behaviour following.
 

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Reminded me of that time Portugal went ape sh** at that penalty France got in the euros SF. Was even more obivous pen and red card than today (and this was aswell).

Didn't Portugal end up with 8 men in the end and some of those sent off got six month international bans?:lol:
 

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Why didn't the VAR ref just say pen a red? The ref actually didn't need to go the screen.
 

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Clear penalty but maybe a slightly harsh red card for Willian. Doesn't look like he actually tries to save it with his arm. Rules may dictate that you can't really give a penalty in that situation without also sending the player off.
 

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Would have hit his body if his arm wasn't there anyway, it was tucked in next to his body? Made the mistake of not having arms behind his back?

Intentional handball?
You can't stop the ball on the goalline with your hand unless you're the goalkeeper man. You aren't seriously trying to argue that this was the wrong call?
 

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You can't stop the ball on the goalline with your hand unless you're the goalkeeper man. You aren't seriously trying to argue that this was the wrong call?
Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
Are you blind or having a laugh?
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
Yeah no advantage was gained as his hand stopped the ball going in the net!

If his hand isn't there his body isnt in a position to stop it, great decision from the ref and a clear red.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
:lol:

Aren’t you the same person who tried to defend the penalty against Dortmund? Are you completely and utterly clueless or just trying to wind us up?
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
His arm isn't inside his body. He punches it and if his hand wasn't there, the ball goes in the net. It was extremely clear.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
Willian did appear to have arms.
 

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He even seemed to be pointing to his hand bizarrely.
Think he was trying to show that his arm was tucked across his chest with the idea that he didn't gain an advantage, would just have hit his chest instead with the arm elsewhere. No point in trying to pretend that it didn't hit his arm with VAR.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
I mean your telling of the incident is just different to what actually happened, I'm not really sure what else to say.

Willian's hand wasn't miles away from his body, sure, but the ball is not making contact with his body if it doesn't hit his hand and it's on the goal line.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
Did you watch it or just making this stuff up?
 

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The refs did well today, definate handball and it stopped a goal so had to be a red as well.

Mitrovic was very stupid there getting sent off for the push on the ref and should face additional punishment for his behaviour following.
Did he? Why the deck didn't he blow the whistle in real time? That trend is getting really tiresome.
 

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Shows have hard we have to work to get a penalty given on the field. A player has to literally punch the ball off the line and it still needs VAR to intervene
 

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Think he was trying to show that his arm was tucked across his chest with the idea that he didn't gain an advantage, would just have hit his chest instead with the arm elsewhere. No point in trying to pretend that it didn't hit his arm with VAR.
Thank goodness for VAR really. That's the sort of quick happens in a flash incident a ref could easily miss in real time. But has no chance of missing with VAR.

I was moaning about Sancho not just finishing first time in 1 second, then celebrating madly a min later - where it swung from really dangerous game to an easy cruise home.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
Incredible that you’re able to read & post on an online forum as a blind person. Inspiration stuff that.
 

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The refs did well today, definate handball and it stopped a goal so had to be a red as well.

Mitrovic was very stupid there getting sent off for the push on the ref and should face additional punishment for his behaviour following.
Yep, got to be a high chance of longer than 3 games for that.

Di Canio got something like 12 games didn't he, for shoving that ref over?

It needs something more than 3 games to show local park goons that they can't do the same to park refs.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
This hasn't been true for a long long time, if ever.
And it arguably was anyway,. he's moved his hand to the ball to stop it going in!
 

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Does anyone else think antony only didn't get a pen because he tried to stay on his feet?
 

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Yup. And it’s a trend caused by VAR. The poxy system incentivises referees to cop out of making big decisions in real time. Even really fecking obvious ones like this one.
It’s the VAR paradox and it’s the biggest issue in the game at the moment.

A. Referee’s are too willing to leave incidents to VAR.
B. VAR is too cautious in overruling the original decision of not giving a foul.


It’s why the Casemiro red leaves a particularly bad taste in the mouth because neither A not B was adhered to like they always are.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
Nope. From the angle behind the goal, his hand was quite early making his body bigger. It might not have been intentional but he stopped a goal with his hand. Its a pen.
 

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Yup. And it’s a trend caused by VAR. The poxy system incentivises referees to cop out of making big decisions in real time. Even really fecking obvious ones like this one.
I agree refs are copping out of some decisions because of VAR, but I don't think this was one of them. It would have been understandable to think the ball came off his knee or chest in real time depending on the ref's position.

Even when VAR does exactly what it's there for and overturns something like that, it's still VAR's fault somehow. :lol:
 

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I'd say looking at it again, Willian can blame himself, his hand moves in a way that could be construed to be deliberate.

If his arms are out of the way anywhere away from the ball, I think he still blocks the ball with his torso and doesn't get sent off.
 

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I'd say looking at it again, Willian can blame himself, his hand moves in a way that could be construed to be deliberate.

If his arms are out of the way anywhere away from the ball, I think he still blocks the ball with his torso and doesn't get sent off.
You're wrong, but sure.
 

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Yup. And it’s a trend caused by VAR. The poxy system incentivises referees to cop out of making big decisions in real time. Even really fecking obvious ones like this one.
That ended up helping United with every Fulham player and staff losing their shit but it's getting ridiculous how these refs get away with not blowing for these obvious incidents.
 

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Handball has to be intentional to be penalised. Looks like his body would have blocked the ball, even if he didn't have arms, need see better replay. He pulls his arm in, not towards the ball. If his arms fully inside his body, shouldn't be given, no advantage can possibly have been gained. Even if on the goal line.
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