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UAE and Saudis will buy out this league both in terms of football players and referees. Qatar too will join them when they get their own team.
 

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There are few examples of clear corruption in the league, and yet many people here are allowed to laugh at other posters suggesting it.

I mean, there is probably ton of things that we are not aware of, and as I said few times, referees are well under paid in comparision with how much money there is in football, so even logically it's pretty possible that many of them are corrupt.

SAF would 100% be calling this out and also the bs that Oliver can't ref Newscastle but can ref every other team in the legaue where he can still have an effect for Newcastle
 

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So to clarify, the ’clear and obvious’ rule must have been scrapped, right?
Flip a coin and there's your answer; and I mean that for every decision in terms of how they apply that """clear and obvious"""
 

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There are few examples of clear corruption in the league, and yet many people here are allowed to laugh at other posters suggesting it.

I mean, there is probably ton of things that we are not aware of, and as I said few times, referees are well under paid in comparision with how much money there is in football, so even logically it's pretty possible that many of them are corrupt.
It's so obvious conflict of interest. This is the ref who refused to send off Kovacic for clear red card tackles, gets payment from City owners. Amazing how not much noise is made of this.
 

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I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but something fishy is going on here with Oliver
 

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Is Rashford or McTominay getting a pen flagged by Oliver if held back like that, no fecking way, it's VAR check over and you know it. Is there any point watching this oil club corruption league anymore?

Mr Webb came in to stop the micromanaging and stop trivial pens, you could generate tons of them with slowmos and selective angles of minimal holding, I've seen Rashford deserve about 5 this season but got nothing. Suddenly there's a chance to spoil the game by Oliver and do some micromanaging by this Newcastle fan to get another one over us. The game was well balanced and didn't need that type of intervention gerrymandering.
Great post. As for the bolded, i'm of the increasing opinion that the answer is no.
 

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It's on obvious conflict of interest. This is the ref who refused to send off Kovacic for clear red card tackles, gets payment from City owners. Amazing how not much noise is made of this.
Yeah, Kovacic is clear example of referee allowing City to play with XI just because he supported City in that game. There is absolutely no other explanation for that decision.
 

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We're bad enough without every single fecking soft call going against us, can't believe Oliver's still allowed to ref after getting in bed with UAE.
 

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UAE and Saudis will buy out this league both in terms of football players and referees. Qatar too will join them when they get their own team.
Saudi already have already bought out those way above the PL.

It only took a simple text to Bojo for the PL to approve the takeover.
 

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The problem for me is consistency. For me this is a very soft penalty, in a PL game tomorrow this might not be given. Which is the problem, how is it fair one day a decision is given for one team and not for the other?

Second, City. I still remember Kovacic escaping a clear red and then 2 yellows and staying on. Before him its Rodri who never ever seems to get booked either. Grealish today deserved a yellow after he tangled with Amarbaat. But nothing.

Its not VAR at all. Without VAR you'd have these moron refs still making stupid decisions. The problem is the refereeing in this country. Its far worse than anywhere else, to the point its utterly shocking.
 

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Pulls the game back two minutes for something that isn't clear and obvious. Ok.
 

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Michael Oliver needs to get his head kicked in. Absolutely despise that smug cnut. They have completely ruined this league with stupid decisions like what we just witnessed.
 

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Omg I just watched this. No refs ever call that. Even if VAR does letter of the law, Oliver should have just let it go. That is really suspicious in being called at a play that happens on every corner kick
 

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Omg I just watched this. No refs ever call that. Even if VAR does letter of the law, Oliver should have just let it go. That is really suspicious in being called at a play that happens on every corner kick
The fact a Liverpool fan agrees says a lot :lol:
 

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On the one hand Hojlund has clearly pulled the player back.
But no way that was enough for a 12 stone 6 ft prem mid to twist and fall like that.
Bought it like a kipper.

Such a shame Hojlund didn't go down later as he'd have definitely got a pen and probably red for Stones or the keeper.
 

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It can't be a coincidence that the 2 sports washing clubs have had 2 absolute none penalties given.

Newcastle yesterday
City today

2 Saudi owned teams of course.
 

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We've given the officials licence to find incidents when they want to.

At the same time as the refs are getting paid on the side by someone with a direct interest in the league.

Well done city. You've got it all locked up tight.
 

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if the ref had given the pen in real time I could understand it, but calling the game back over a subjective decision is fecking stupid. That wasn't a clear miss by the ref, rarely would you see that called back. Technically a pen and no doubt the pgmol will have the definition on why but in common sense terms, that's not a penalty for me. Its the kinda thing you give a free for if someone does it to stop a counter-attack but in that situation, not for me. Also think Rodri was getting nowhere near the ball regardless.
 

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I am still fuming. These fouls happen at every set piece and Rodri was nowhere near the ball. For VAR to decide it’s a clear error is truly incredible
 

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Can we have a sweepstake of when in this game the exact same thing happens again but nothing given?
 

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Stones pulling back on hojlund was clearly worse and more of a foul affecting a goal scoring chance.
 

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If the ref had any balls he would have sent Phil Foden off for shoving his head in to Amrabat, what do you have to do to commit violent conduct these days?
 

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if the ref had given the pen in real time I could understand it, but calling the game back over a subjective decision is fecking stupid. That wasn't a clear miss by the ref, rarely would you see that called back. Technically a pen and no doubt the pgmol will have the definition on why but in common sense terms, that's not a penalty for me. Its the kinda thing you give a free for if someone does it to stop a counter-attack but in that situation, not for me. Also think Rodri was getting nowhere near the ball regardless.
Agreed. Rodri wasn't getting anywhere near, surely there should be 10 pens a game if this is a pen?
 

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Is football the only sport in the world where the rules now basically encourage top level players to cheat?

It's sickening seeing all these pundits saying it was pen because there was "contact".
 

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Did ours get looked at when Arsenal defender had his arms all around Hojlund?! It wasn’t clear and obvious so he should have carried on.
 

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Var is as inconsistent as refs behind it. The issue isn't VAR, the issue is not having a team of VAR specialists operating it every week. They need to start training people for that purpose only and it's going to be far better than what we have now.
 

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On the one hand Hojlund has clearly pulled the player back.
But no way that was enough for a 12 stone 6 ft prem mid to twist and fall like that.
Bought it like a kipper.

Such a shame Hojlund didn't go down later as he'd have definitely got a pen and probably red for Stones or the keeper.
Hojlund would have probably got done for diving. It’s how things are going at the moment it seems.
 

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Agreed. Rodri wasn't getting anywhere near, surely there should be 10 pens a game if this is a pen?
if Rodri was getting to the ball I'd say fair enough but he wasn't and while I'm happy we're a goal up, decisions like that annoy me. You'd absolutely see at least 1-2 pens a game for that, and physical teams like West Ham do it on every set piece both offensive and defensive.
 

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if Rodri was getting to the ball I'd say fair enough but he wasn't and while I'm happy we're a goal up, decisions like that annoy me. You'd absolutely see at least 1-2 pens a game for that, and physical teams like West Ham do it on every set piece both offensive and defensive.
Completely agree!