VAR Decisions - PL 19/20 Season

Are you in favour of VAR in the PL?


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As United fans we obvs dislike both Liverpool and City.
But I think it's fair to say the former have had a lot go their way, and the latter a lot go against them this season!
 

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Different referees will have different interpretations of subjective decisions. That will never change, with or without VAR.The idea that there is always a right or wrong call is fundamentally flawed.

Which is why the ref who makes the initial decision should be the one overturning it imo. Otherwise you're just getting different opinions erratically overriding each other.
Exactly right, this has been the problem and issues from the start! It's rubbish to have a guy miles away looking at it, when the man in the middle has already made the wrong call.
 

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VAR, is going to win a team a title and also going to get a team relegated, 1 team will be overjoyed the other is going to be pissed off. Only person again today that disallowed palaces opening goal, was a guy miles away, making a call the ref gets no recompense at all, he can now say not me lads him whoever has watched it and given wrong call. Come on let's get real it's a bit obvious when 2 games In a row for same team a VAR incorrect decision
 

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These nanometer offside decisions should not be part of VAR.
"Clear and obvious error made by linesman and referee, we just spent 2-3 minutes looking at this in slowmo and in stopmotion from 20 different angles, and it looks like your armpit is about 1/5 of an inch in offside in the build-up to the attack leading to the goal."
 

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It’s hard to deny they’ve been exceptionally favoured in VAR decisions this season. Whether you want to argue corruption or not, it’s so clear to see. Even neutral fans I know are starting to get annoyed by it. I sit next to a Villa fan at work who wanted Liverpool to win the league this season before it started, now he hates them and wants them to lose because of all the dodgy decisions that are going their way. It’s clear to everyone, not a bias perspective from United fans.
Your pal at work is bitter because his side lost with the last kick of the game, and VAR favoured his team in that game if I recall.
 
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As United fans we obvs dislike both Liverpool and City.
But I think it's fair to say the former have had a lot go their way, and the latter a lot go against them this season!
Don't have anything against City as Chelsea fan,

This statement is obviously true to me from the games I've seen.
 

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Worth pointing out: the assistant referee had flagged for offside on the Sterling goal anyway. So with or without VAR, it wouldn't have stood.
 

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It is annoying that they sometimes blows for things on corners/free kicks and other times they do not.
 

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Which is different from your first claim.
Is it? I said the assistant referee flagged for offside on Sterling's goal. The tweet confirms that the on-field decision was offside, which means the assistant referee flagged for offside. He just did so after play had finished.
 

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VAR, is going to win a team a title and also going to get a team relegated, 1 team will be overjoyed the other is going to be pissed off. Only person again today that disallowed palaces opening goal, was a guy miles away, making a call the ref gets no recompense at all, he can now say not me lads him whoever has watched it and given wrong call. Come on let's get real it's a bit obvious when 2 games In a row for same team a VAR incorrect decision
Which is exactly what happened a couple of seasons ago when Cardiff got relegated because of a dodgy decision. Or when Chelsea won a title on the back off an offside Drogba goal some years back.

VAR is great. It's the FAs screwed up implementation that is not.
 

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Is it? I said the assistant referee flagged for offside on Sterling's goal. The tweet confirms that the on-field decision was offside, which means the assistant referee flagged for offside. He just did so after play had finished.
For some reason i misread your first post, my bad.

Mental decision anyway, imo.
 
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As United fans we obvs dislike both Liverpool and City.
But I think it's fair to say the former have had a lot go their way, and the latter a lot go against them this season!
Exactly. I hate both, I'd rather Leciester or Chelsea win the league. I say this as a neutral in terms of my equal hatred for them, Liverpool are getting a lot of favourable calls, while City are being fecked a fair bit.
 

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Looking at the above, I can’t work out why the line goes from Zoumas foot to Sterling’s shoulder. Shouldn’t Zoumas shoulder have been used also?
 

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We have to accept that VAR decisions are not perfect. I mean, the Sterling offside is so so close, very difficult to judge even with computer
 

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Looking at the above, I can’t work out why the line goes from Zoumas foot to Sterling’s shoulder. Shouldn’t Zoumas shoulder have been used also?
Yeah, its just a plain wrong decision. If its done at their hips, Sterling is level. If it's at shoulders, he is level. If it's at feet he is well onside. VAR will never work whilst the same incompetent referees are operating it.
 

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It isn't hard at all. They've recieved net benefit of one overturn from VAR this season. That is a fact. Any other benefit they've recieved has come the referee, on which VAR has had no impact.
That doesnt factor in decision that dont get overturned such as penalty against city.
 
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That doesnt factor in decision that dont get overturned such as penalty against city.
Aye but those decisions would have been the same without VAR. If he wants to argue that the referees have been biased in favour of Liverpool then that's one thing but in terms of VAR itself we can actually see the impact it has had.
 

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Looking at the above, I can’t work out why the line goes from Zoumas foot to Sterling’s shoulder. Shouldn’t Zoumas shoulder have been used also?
Yeah, its just a plain wrong decision. If its done at their hips, Sterling is level. If it's at shoulders, he is level. If it's at feet he is well onside. VAR will never work whilst the same incompetent referees are operating it.
No, the decision was fine.

For a start, the image quoted there isn't the final VAR image. You can tell by the colour of the lines.

Second, they don't measure at the same point (i.e. using both their hips or both their feet). Which is why you get the vertical lines orientating from their shoulder or hip to the ground, so the point they're measuring is on the same plain.

In this case the Sterling's shoulder is beyond the defender's arse. It's the correct decision.
 

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VAR, is going to win a team a title and also going to get a team relegated, 1 team will be overjoyed the other is going to be pissed off. Only person again today that disallowed palaces opening goal, was a guy miles away, making a call the ref gets no recompense at all, he can now say not me lads him whoever has watched it and given wrong call. Come on let's get real it's a bit obvious when 2 games In a row for same team a VAR incorrect decision
The ref is getting off lightly in these cases. Any tight decisions he just leaves it to someone else to carry the blame. Here in Spain if there's doubt the ref goes and consults a screen on the side of the pitch which seems to work 9 times out of 10. VAR was brought in to overrule clear and obvious errors which if someone has to spend 3 or 4 minutes trying to decide obviously isn't a clear error.

It's getting to the point were when a team scores they don't know whether or not to celebrate in case VAR rules it out which is taking more and more joy out of the game. If it worked then it would be an important tool but at the minute it's just spoiling the game.
 

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No, the decision was fine.

For a start, the image quoted there isn't the final VAR image. You can tell by the colour of the lines.

Second, they don't measure at the same point (i.e. using both their hips or both their feet). Which is why you get the vertical lines orientating from their shoulder or hip to the ground, so the point they're measuring is on the same plain.

In this case the Sterling's shoulder is beyond the defender's arse. It's the correct decision.
What do you make of the Southampton goal Yesterday? Given and the line clearly showed the players foot offside when they were doing that triangulating nonsense lining it up
 

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No, the decision was fine.

For a start, the image quoted there isn't the final VAR image. You can tell by the colour of the lines.

Second, they don't measure at the same point (i.e. using both their hips or both their feet). Which is why you get the vertical lines orientating from their shoulder or hip to the ground, so the point they're measuring is on the same plain.

In this case the Sterling's shoulder is beyond the defender's arse. It's the correct decision.
The law is that its any body part other than hands and arms. Fair enough it is not the final image, but from there it looks like both their shoulders are the relevant points, and they are exactly level.

The ball has already started moving too in that image. An offside call is far too close there, on that image frame at least, for VAR to be used to rule it out.
 

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The law is that its any body part other than hands and arms. Fair enough it is not the final image, but from there it looks like both their shoulders are the relevant points, and they are exactly level.

The ball has already started moving too in that image. An offside call is far too close there, on that image frame at least, for VAR to be used to rule it out.
From there it may well look like a lot of things. That's why they use 3D imaging rather than trying to take perspective into account while judging it with the naked eye from a single camera angle. It isn't just a case of seeing what part of the body the lines we're seeing run through as the two lines are in effect "on the ground", having been drawn down from the shoulder/hip.

Also, the linesman had already made the decision that it was offside. All VAR did is confirm that. So saying it's too close for VAR to call hardly makes sense when the alternative is letting the linesman make the same decision on his own with much less accuracy using the naked eye. He got it right this time but clearly that isn't always going to happen.
 

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What do you make of the Southampton goal Yesterday? Given and the line clearly showed the players foot offside when they were doing that triangulating nonsense lining it up
Here's the goal:



Do you mean the Southampton player at the top of the screen? Because I'd imagine he's discounted as he doesn't interfere with play.
 

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I don't see that the offside process is a technical and/or comparative issue when a goal is getting scored, tbh. They are going to check, and atm, this is how it is going to be done. Presumably it is the same method at both ends, and therefore is as fair equally as its ever going to be. Its a more time consuming trickier thing than a bloke with a flag having a bit of a guess, using his instinct.

By comparative, I mean with other checks, they must do the same each time surely?

What I'd criticise is early offsides where this reset idea is used as a justification for not looking/caring about potentially crucial decisions that happen earlier in play, linos don't put their flag up, play continues.
 

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Here's the goal:



Do you mean the Southampton player at the top of the screen? Because I'd imagine he's discounted as he doesn't interfere with play.
Yes him, not interfering fair enough, that manually adjusted grid is a laugh though imo
 

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Looking at the above, I can’t work out why the line goes from Zoumas foot to Sterling’s shoulder. Shouldn’t Zoumas shoulder have been used also?
That line is bollocks, how can straight line on a screen be same as if it was drawn from pitchside to pitchside? The angles have to be different. I suppose it has to be drawn somewhere. Don't like this VAR at all
 

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The ball brushed the top of Alli’s arm and you could see the ball slightly change direction.

Even I can see that at home after seeing 2 replays, but these pricks paid to sit in a room and watch countless replays can’t be consistent.
 

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The ball brushed the top of Alli’s arm and you could see the ball slightly change direction.

Even I can see that at home after seeing 2 replays, but these pricks paid to sit in a room and watch countless replays can’t be consistent.
A very rare handball goal in the age of VAR, something to cherish! I guess we're just unlucky.
 

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I hate VAR with a passion, but if they’re using it how on earth do they give that goal? Rules don’t count with United? I’m confused
 

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The ball brushed the top of Alli’s arm and you could see the ball slightly change direction.

Even I can see that at home after seeing 2 replays, but these pricks paid to sit in a room and watch countless replays can’t be consistent.
I can't see it at all. I've played enough football and did that skill (by this I mean when you're leaning back after you clip the ball just enough over your shoulder, it looks like the ball goes up your arm but actually doesn't) and the ball is moving in a natural direction to me. All I can see is an imaculate piece of skill there.
 

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The ball brushed the top of Alli’s arm and you could see the ball slightly change direction.

Even I can see that at home after seeing 2 replays, but these pricks paid to sit in a room and watch countless replays can’t be consistent.
They judged it hit his shoulder, which is consistent with the goal Burnley(?) scored against us recently as well as the below Alli decison from earlier in the season:


Once they're consistent in not penalizing shoulder/chest contact then there's not much to complain about. Especially given they have to be sure it's handball to overturn the goal.

Though it's all subjective obviously.
 
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They judged it hit his shoulder, which is consistent with the goal Burnley(?) scored against us recently as well as the below Alli decison from earlier in the season:


Once they're consistent in not penalizing shoulder/chest contact then there's not much to complain about. Especially given they have to be sure it's handball to overturn the goal.

Though it's all subjective obviously.
The outside of the shoulder is okay as well? That one is close enough to the chest to be okay in my mind.
 

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It clips Dele's outside shoulder and doesn't touch his arm. Nothing that I can see, after watching few more times. Don't know why people are complaining. It's a fairly easy call in the end.
 

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Neither angle shown was conclusive, I'll give the VAR team that. But, put both angles together and it hit his arm. The view from the side shows the height at which it hit him(around his elbow) and the ball chages direction. The other angle shows the line the ball was travelling(up his arm, toward the shoulder). Another angle between the two would, I'm fairly sure, make it conclusive.