Varchester City 18/19 discussion

[Badenfutbolfan]

Our April fixture schedule is absolutely insane! If we make it to the end of the month still in the FA Cup and CL, and still in the title race we'll be doing very well. I think Guardiola will try to rotate a little, because he'll have to, but think we'll be pretty close to full strength (apart from any injuries) every game because I don't see him sacrificing any competition.

Rotation will be key, an insane number of games till the end of the season and for sure Pep will have to rotate. The problem with that is the performances will drop when some key player are not in the team sheet. Having Delph against Swansea almost cost us the qualification. Not sure what Marehz is up to theses days as well, very poor.
Injuries will have a big say as well, I hope we don't get any more injuries but with the amount of games I don't think we will be able to avoid them.
I am sure at some point we will have to prioritaze some games more than others, I surely hope we go for the league when that time comes

 

[Badenfutbolfan]

Just saw a clip of the Germany "friendly" game. That tackle on Sane is horrendous, he was lucky his bones didn't brake in a few places. No injuries please

 

[JSArsenal]

Please win the league, beat Spurs in the CL but then lose in the FA Cup and Champions League semi-finals.

 

[winteriscoming]

Please win the league, beat Spurs in the CL but then lose in the FA Cup and Champions League semi-finals.

I'd settle for that right now

 

[Ole90+3]

https://www.mancity.com/news/club-n...lebrate-six-year-partnership-with-mash-up-kit

Hilarious that they themselves realise that their history and fanbase only began 6 years ago. Not to mention the jersey being absolutely hideous and ill-fitting

 

[Trizy]

https://www.mancity.com/news/club-n...lebrate-six-year-partnership-with-mash-up-kit

Hilarious that they themselves realise that their history and fanbase only began 6 years ago. Not to mention the jersey being absolutely hideous and ill-fitting

They're extremely lucky that they're good on the pitch because they're so fecking bad at everything else. They're the literal definition of cringe.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Foden's face looks like he's screaming internally ('gerritoffme, gerritoffmeeeeeee!')

 

[Dec9003]

Pays homage to their kits over the last six years.

 

[SER19]

https://www.mancity.com/news/club-n...lebrate-six-year-partnership-with-mash-up-kit

Hilarious that they themselves realise that their history and fanbase only began 6 years ago. Not to mention the jersey being absolutely hideous and ill-fitting

what the hell

 

[SER19]

They're extremely lucky that they're good on the pitch because they're so fecking bad at everything else. They're the literal definition of cringe.

It’s a small club trying to act like a big club,they’ve tried it all but just can’t execute a stunt without it being incredibly cringeworthy

 

[ExecutionerWasp001]

This is surely a revenge action from Nike. There must be lots of unsold stock though so making a new shirt from the off cuts makes sense. Has the added bonus for most Bert's that the egg stains they dribble down the front won't show up.

 

[Andrew Wolf]

I was waiting for this to pop up on here. And no shock that the usual suspect already has multiple replies already

It's a shirt celebrating City's 6 years with Nike. It's awful but if you're thinking it's celebrating City's history, both Yaya Toure and Aguero broke your hearts wearing Umbro and we are actually 10 years and 6 months old

 

[charlie9882]

https://www.mancity.com/news/club-n...lebrate-six-year-partnership-with-mash-up-kit

Hilarious that they themselves realise that their history and fanbase only began 6 years ago. Not to mention the jersey being absolutely hideous and ill-fitting

City are moving to Puma for the 19/20 season, so this was Nike's 'celebration' of the 6 years that they've been working with City.

 

[andyox]

City are moving to Puma for the 19/20 season, so this was Nike's 'celebration' of the 6 years that they've been working with City.

Yup, which the article makes clear.

The shirt is obviously a monstrosity by the way, highlighting perfectly how poor Nike kits have been over the past 6 years.

 

[Trizy]

I was waiting for this to pop up on here.

If you instantly thought ''this is gonna appear on Redcafe'' after seeing the tweet, it's only because you yourself know it's hideous. But of course you may have blue tinted glasses (and are entitled to) but don't take our word for it, just look at every opposition fans comments on social media responding to it.

It's kinda funny that no matter how good City or PSG become, no fan respects them. In this case it's not about respect though, it's just embarrassing.

 

[Andrew Wolf]

If you instantly thought ''this is gonna appear on Redcafe'' after seeing the tweet, it's only because you yourself know it's hideous. But of course you may have blue tinted glasses (and are entitled to) but don't take our word for it, just look at every opposition fans comments on social media responding to it.

It's kinda funny that no matter how good City or PSG become, no fan respects them. In this case it's not about respect though, it's just embarrassing.

Hey, it's awful! I said that above. I see no reason for the shirt as it actually encompasses some of the worst ones that we've had in our history. Nike have been awful for us in terms of kits.

What I will argue with you about is that you're just isolating City and PSG. Did you not see the leopard print jersey that EA/Adidas put out for you? Similar to City's, that'll never see the actual pitch either.

My point is that all football clubs are releasing commercialised rubbish aimed at god knows who.

 

[antohan]

Horrible kit.

In other news, I received an invite for this from the FCO today.

Good luck to whoever tries to come up with a vibrant stadium solution at Emptihad

 

[M18CTID]

If you instantly thought ''this is gonna appear on Redcafe'' after seeing the tweet, it's only because you yourself know it's hideous. But of course you may have blue tinted glasses (and are entitled to) but don't take our word for it, just look at every opposition fans comments on social media responding to it.

It's kinda funny that no matter how good City or PSG become, no fan respects them. In this case it's not about respect though, it's just embarrassing.

When you say no fan, what you really mean is some people on t'internet spouting off from behind their keyboards, because there's no way on earth you have personally polled every single one of the hundreds of millions of football fans on the planet for their opinion And guess what? There's a big wide world out there outside of cyberspace and most football fans don't bother with internet forums, couldn't give 2 shits about City's and PSG's money, or this perceived respect (or lack thereof) bollocks. That's because they're more interested in what goes on with their own team to be overly arsed about what other clubs do. You only have to look at this forum for example: it's got tens of thousands of members yet it's the same few people coming out with this same hackneyed shite over and over again - it's not like any match-going opposition fan worth their salt would ever care to spend all their time over a few pre-match pints with their mates spouting off about PSG and City, because believe it or not they just don't. No, comments like yours are the kind that get made just to make you feel better about any current misgivings you might have about your own team and if you get a few back slaps along the way from people you'll probably never meet in real life then no doubt it's job done in your myopic world.

By the way, that mash up kit is f*king shite.

 

[Trizy]

When you say no fan, what you really mean is some people on t'internet spouting off from behind their keyboards, because there's no way on earth you have personally polled every single one of the hundreds of millions of football fans on the planet for their opinion And guess what? There's a big wide world out there outside of cyberspace and most football fans don't bother with internet forums, couldn't give 2 shits about City's and PSG's money, or this perceived respect (or lack thereof) bollocks. That's because they're more interested in what goes on with their own team to be overly arsed about what other clubs do. You only have to look at this forum for example: it's got tens of thousands of members yet it's the same few people coming out with this same hackneyed shite over and over again - it's not like any match-going opposition fan worth their salt would ever care to spend all their time over a few pre-match pints with their mates spouting off about PSG and City, because believe it or not they just don't. No, comments like yours are the kind that get made just to make you feel better about any current misgivings you might have about your own team and if you get a few back slaps along the way from people you'll probably never meet in real life then no doubt it's job done in your myopic world.

By the way, that mash up kit is f*king shite.

Triggered

 

[Zehner]

It's kinda funny that no matter how good City or PSG become, no fan respects them.

I do. I don't like the people behind these clubs and think all this deserves criticism from an ethical stand point but I respect that City is managed extremely well. Probably the most modern and innovative club around. They had a vision and executed it perfectly.

They are not where they are solely because of oil money. Yes, they spent huge amounts of money but they also got more out of it than any other English top club in relation, bar maybe Liverpool.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Horrible kit.

In other news, I received an invite for this from the FCO today.

Good luck to whoever tries to come up with a vibrant stadium solution at Emptihad

It’s a good first step. Let’s be honest.

 

[marukomu]

Horrible kit.

In other news, I received an invite for this from the FCO today.

Good luck to whoever tries to come up with a vibrant stadium solution at Emptihad

My Stadium - Provide seats isolated from other fans.
Sustainable Stadium - Only let a few fans in so they don't hammer the half-time burgers and drinks.
Vibrant Stadium - Pay the fans to think of songs and actually sing them. Bring back The Poznan.
Easy Stadium - Limit the number of fans attending matches.
Global Stadium - Respect other people instead of torturing and imprisoning them for disagreeing with our iron hand rule. Maybe other people around the world may start to like us.

 

[ExecutionerWasp001]

I do. I don't like the people behind these clubs and think all this deserves criticism from an ethical stand point but I respect that City is managed extremely well. Probably the most modern and innovative club around. They had a vision and executed it perfectly.

They are not where they are solely because of oil money. Yes, they spent huge amounts of money but they also got more out of it than any other English top club in relation, bar maybe Liverpool.

There's so much wrong with this post it's hard to know where to begin.

They are currently under many different investigations for this perfectly executed vision. You then have to ask has it been value for money. In most observers eyes the answer would be no. A huge amount has been spent yet a decade on the core targets of dominating the PL & winning the CL have not been met. All this does not point to a well managed club.

They are still reliant on Mansour continually investing. Around £170M of their commercial revenue is coming from Etihad, Etisalat, Aabar and Visit Abu Dhabi. It's obvious that these companies are not paying these amounts so Mansour must be topping these sponsorships up. He is allowed to do this but only at market value. We then have the other discrepancies double salaries & wages paid by shell companies.

 

[adexkola]

I do. I don't like the people behind these clubs and think all this deserves criticism from an ethical stand point but I respect that City is managed extremely well. Probably the most modern and innovative club around. They had a vision and executed it perfectly.

They are not where they are solely because of oil money. Yes, they spent huge amounts of money but they also got more out of it than any other English top club in relation, bar maybe Liverpool.

This.

I do think that attempts to de-legitimize or dismiss City's accomplishments on the pitch are classic defensive mechanisms. You have people saying a City quadruple wouldn't matter. Seriously?

 

[antohan]

My Stadium - Provide seats isolated from other fans.
Sustainable Stadium - Only let a few fans in so they don't hammer the half-time burgers and drinks.
Vibrant Stadium - Pay the fans to think of songs and actually sing them. Bring back The Poznan.
Easy Stadium - Limit the number of fans attending matches.
Global Stadium - Respect other people instead of torturing and imprisoning them for disagreeing with our iron hand rule. Maybe other people around the world may start to like us.

You should apply

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

This.

I do think that attempts to de-legitimize or dismiss City's accomplishments on the pitch are classic defensive mechanisms. You have people saying a City quadruple wouldn't matter. Seriously?

It's really hard to care about City because they're just such a fake club. Nothing they do feels genuine or earned, so I think most fans find it hard to muster the energy to give much of a shit when they win stuff.

Obviously logically speaking a quadruple would be huge and groundbreaking, but .. it's City? They feel less like a football club and more just a political tool masquerading as one.

It doesn't help that they have zero genuine presence amongst football fans. And before City fans jump in, no there's not that many Spurs fans out there either. But it's hard to be too bothered about them winning stuff when I have never met a City fan in real life and don't even see them much online.

Maybe when all the kids being brought up with them winning stuff start becoming the new generation of plastic fans, they'll start to get more annoying.

 

[andyox]

It's really hard to care about City because they're just such a fake club. Nothing they do feels genuine or earned, so I think most fans find it hard to muster the energy to give much of a shit when they win stuff.

Obviously logically speaking a quadruple would be huge and groundbreaking, but .. it's City? They feel less like a football club and more just a political tool masquerading as one.

It doesn't help that they have zero genuine presence amongst football fans. And before City fans jump in, no there's not that many Spurs fans out there either. But it's hard to be too bothered about them winning stuff when I have never met a City fan in real life and don't even see them much online.

Maybe when all the kids being brought up with them winning stuff start becoming the new generation of plastic fans, they'll start to get more annoying.

We're caught between a rock and a hard place here though I feel. Either our historical support gives us "zero genuine presence" or we have a whole load of post-ADUG glory-hunters, so I think we could be happily mocked either way. The fact that you've never met a City fan in real life makes perfect sense if you're not from the Manchester area as there was previously very little reason to be a City fan unless you're local and were forced by your dad (I'm still getting over the PTSD).

We have a match-going hardcore of somewhere between 40,000-45,000 fans for Premier League games, and then obviously an additional group of core support that attend games on an ad hoc basis. I'm sure we'll eventually have a core of fans you could categorise as glory-hunters (i.e. those not from the Manchester area or with historical/familial ties with the club) but it will take a while for that to become apparent. Adult fans don't switch clubs, so the glory-hunter generation will be kids new to football post-2011 ish who have grown up seeing City win trophies.

I don't really understand the Emptihad jibes to be honest. Our fanbase is our fanbase, and reflects those that have stuck with the club through a pretty elongated era of farce. I'm sure we'll see a greater proportion of glory-hunters in the future, which will give us bigger attendances and maybe even "genuine presence," but can't say I'm fussed by it.

On the fake club stuff, the club still feels real to me as a fan. Whether fans of other clubs can muster the energy to give a shit is obviously irrelevant. The day that City doesn't feel like City to me is the day I will be unable to muster the energy to give a shit. I have a feeling that it will be the ruthless commercialism of Soriano that'll create that day, rather than ADUG to be honest.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

If you instantly thought ''this is gonna appear on Redcafe'' after seeing the tweet, it's only because you yourself know it's hideous. But of course you may have blue tinted glasses (and are entitled to) but don't take our word for it, just look at every opposition fans comments on social media responding to it.

It's kinda funny that no matter how good City or PSG become, no fan respects them. In this case it's not about respect though, it's just embarrassing.

You can speak for all fans?
Don’t really give a toss what direct rivals think as they have a vested interest in trashing us but you may find that there is life beyond United, Liverpool and other clubs of the Ancient Regime.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

We're caught between a rock and a hard place here though I feel. Either our historical support gives us "zero genuine presence" or we have a whole load of post-ADUG glory-hunters, so I think we could be happily mocked either way. The fact that you've never met a City fan in real life makes perfect sense if you're not from the Manchester area as there was previously very little reason to be a City fan unless you're local and were forced by your dad (I'm still getting over the PTSD).

We have a match-going hardcore of somewhere between 40,000-45,000 fans for Premier League games, and then obviously an additional group of core support that attend games on an ad hoc basis. I'm sure we'll eventually have a core of fans you could categorise as glory-hunters (i.e. those not from the Manchester area or with historical/familial ties with the club) but it will take a while for that to become apparent. Adult fans don't switch clubs, so the glory-hunter generation will be kids new to football post-2011 ish who have grown up seeing City win trophies.

I don't really understand the Emptihad jibes to be honest. Our fanbase is our fanbase, and reflects those that have stuck with the club through a pretty elongated era of farce. I'm sure we'll see a greater proportion of glory-hunters in the future, which will give us bigger attendances and maybe even "genuine presence," but can't say I'm fussed by it.

On the fake club stuff, the club still feels real to me as a fan. Whether fans of other clubs can muster the energy to give a shit is obviously irrelevant. The day that City doesn't feel like City to me is the day I will be unable to muster the energy to give a shit. I have a feeling that it will be the ruthless commercialism of Soriano that'll create that day, rather than ADUG to be honest.

You could win by slowly building up the right way as a club, like everyone else has to do. And I went to Uni with fans from all over, including the lower leagues. No City fans though.

Emptihad jibes are funny because you play insanely good football and are in a title race yet can't fill a stadium. It's the ultimate reminder of how all your success is artificially generated over a short period, no hard work, nothing to be admired .. quick injection and you're up there on the pitch but the attendance is a reminder of where you really are.

The side your club shows is dripping in fake shite, as a club you have zero personality, totally soulless. Again because you represent .. Nothing? You buy the best players and staff so win stuff, there's nothing there for anyone to admire from an outside perspective.

I don't really expect you to care much about any of that, but that's the outsider perspective. And why nobody really cares outside of Man City whether you win a quadruple or not. You're like a real life version of someone going on football manager, making a club, sticking them in the premier league and giving them a budget of 5 billion.

Absolutely plastic and artificial to the core. Incredible academy but nobody who will actually play, nobody who has any genuine loyalty or attachment to the club.

Just a void. A successful void, but a void nonetheless.

 

[rotherham_red]

This.

I do think that attempts to de-legitimize or dismiss City's accomplishments on the pitch are classic defensive mechanisms. You have people saying a City quadruple wouldn't matter. Seriously?

But it's obviously bollocks though. Soriano and Begiristain ploughed through the best part of £1bn on transfer fees alone since 2012 and it has only been in the last two years that you could say there has been sustained success. Do you forget the endless jokes on here on how much they spent on CBs alone?

What part of that is something to be proud of?

 

[adexkola]

It's really hard to care about City because they're just such a fake club. Nothing they do feels genuine or earned, so I think most fans find it hard to muster the energy to give much of a shit when they win stuff.

Obviously logically speaking a quadruple would be huge and groundbreaking, but .. it's City? They feel less like a football club and more just a political tool masquerading as one.

It doesn't help that they have zero genuine presence amongst football fans. And before City fans jump in, no there's not that many Spurs fans out there either. But it's hard to be too bothered about them winning stuff when I have never met a City fan in real life and don't even see them much online.

Maybe when all the kids being brought up with them winning stuff start becoming the new generation of plastic fans, they'll start to get more annoying.

You've told me nothing that contradicts what I said about all this being a defense mechanism. I knew and know no Leicester fans. They broke financial fair play rules. Didn't cheapen their achievement.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

You've told me nothing that contradicts what I said about all this being a defense mechanism. I knew and know no Leicester fans. They broke financial fair play rules. Didn't cheapen their achievement.

Leicester won the league when they were like 1500-1 and on a shoestring budget by PL standards, regardless of them breaking FFP. Their star striker was a man who was in the non leagues not long before he joined, they were a genuine story with genuine heart.

In what world is that comparable to Manchester City spending billion(s) on players and therefore winning stuff? Leicester's achievement far outstrips their own and was far more unprecedented, it's a weird comparison.

City spent more than anyone else ever has and hired the best manager in the world. Am I meant to be impressed they turned out to be good?

I mean they've obviously been well run and had a plan in place .. But yeah, most billionaires put competent people in place, so did Roman, the torturers have just taken it to another level.

The defence mechanism idea would make sense if I was a United fan, but I'm not. I want City to win the league, better them than a club with actual fans.

 

[robinamicrowave]

Every trophy we've won so far has been us simply meeting expectations, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't need neutrals to be happy for us for me to enjoy every one we lift. Winning the quadruple, though, would be well beyond any expectations and might deserve more than a cursory glance from neutrals and the usual dismissive notion that we should have achieved it all along. There's a thread on this forum gleefully mocking the suggestion that we might.

Although I guess all of this talk is simply hot air because we won't win the quadruple.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

I do. I don't like the people behind these clubs and think all this deserves criticism from an ethical stand point but I respect that City is managed extremely well. Probably the most modern and innovative club around. They had a vision and executed it perfectly.

They are not where they are solely because of oil money. Yes, they spent huge amounts of money but they also got more out of it than any other English top club in relation, bar maybe Liverpool.

Don't be silly. If the Sheikh had bought, say, Sunderland it would be them going for the trophies and City would still be a nothing club. The club are irrelevant, it's all about the Sheikh and his money

 

[adexkola]

Leicester won the league when they were like 1500-1 and on a shoestring budget by PL standards, regardless of them breaking FFP. Their star striker was a man who was in the non leagues not long before he joined, they were a genuine story with genuine heart.

In what world is that comparable to Manchester City spending billion(s) on players and therefore winning stuff? Leicester's achievement far outstrips their own and was far more unprecedented, it's a weird comparison.

City spent more than anyone else ever has and hired the best manager in the world. Am I meant to be impressed they turned out to be good?

I mean they've obviously been well run and had a plan in place .. But yeah, most billionaires put competent people in place, so did Roman, the torturers have just taken it to another level.

You don't have to, I guess? It's your right. I'm just saying it has no objective basis. I'm saying this as someone who, from a neutral perspective, could similarly dismiss the achievements of top clubs who for years have had a financial stranglehold on the game. Money has almost always guaranteed success, whether it's from the blue bloods or the arrogant uppity 3 clubs that have sprung up in the past 15 years. (w Now if you want to selectively pick and choose what clubs you dismiss, fair enough.

Again, just reads as a dismissive mechanism to me. Especially when it's applied selectively. You don't have this same energy towards Chelsea, do you?

 

[andyox]

You could win by slowly building up the right way as a club, like everyone else has to do. And I went to Uni with fans from all over, including the lower leagues. No City fans though.

Emptihad jibes are funny because you play insanely good football and are in a title race yet can't fill a stadium. It's the ultimate reminder of how all your success is artificially generated over a short period, no hard work, nothing to be admired .. quick injection and you're up there on the pitch but the attendance is a reminder of where you really are.

The side your club shows is dripping in fake shite, as a club you have zero personality, totally soulless. Again because you represent .. Nothing? You buy the best players and staff so win stuff, there's nothing there for anyone to admire from an outside perspective.

I don't really expect you to care much about any of that, but that's the outsider perspective. And why nobody really cares outside of Man City whether you win a quadruple or not. You're like a real life version of someone going on football manager, making a club, sticking them in the premier league and giving them a budget of 5 billion.

Absolutely plastic and artificial to the core. Incredible academy but nobody who will actually play, nobody who has any genuine loyalty or attachment to the club.

Just a void. A successful void, but a void nonetheless.

City are currently where we are competing for trophies because we were taken over by ADUG. No disputing that. Do you have to admire the trophies we've won on the back of ADUG's takeover? No. Do I or other City fans need or want you to admire that? No for me, and seemingly no for all the other City fans on this thread.

You seem to be trying to antagonise to create an argument that no-one is bothered to have with you.

 

[kaiser1]

You don't have to, I guess? It's your right. I'm just saying it has no objective basis. I'm saying this as someone who, from a neutral perspective, could similarly dismiss the achievements of top clubs who for years have had a financial stranglehold on the game. Money has almost always guaranteed success, whether it's from the blue bloods or the arrogant uppity 3 clubs that have sprung up in the past 15 years. (w Now if you want to selectively pick and choose what clubs you dismiss, fair enough.

Again, just reads as a dismissive mechanism to me. Especially when it's applied selectively. You don't have this same energy towards Chelsea, do you?

Many of the current big clubs had such breaks in the past where they got money thrown into them. Chelsea in 2003 and Milan in the 80s were examples. There are also PSG, Lazio, Leicester, Malaga Inter Hoffenheim, Leipzig etc
With current trends, will say there will be more rich owners buying clubs
Now Chelsea and Milan fans can act like they are a club who have always done right. That will be City fans in the next 20yrs

 

[mdvmia]

Many of the current big clubs had such breaks in the past where they got money thrown into them. Chelsea in 2003 and Milan in the 80s were examples. There are also PSG, Lazio, Leicester, Malaga Inter Hoffenheim, Leipzig etc
With current trends, will say there will be more rich owners buying clubs
Now Chelsea and Milan fans can act like they are a club who have always done right. That will be City fans in the next 20yrs

Chelsea were a fairly big club before Abramovich. They qualified for Champions League in the season before he took over and had the likes of Zola, Gullit, and Desailly all playing for them in the previous decade.

Being taken over by a rich individual also isn't quite the same as being owned essentially by a country.

 

[Badenfutbolfan]

Every trophy we've won so far has been us simply meeting expectations, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't need neutrals to be happy for us for me to enjoy every one we lift. Winning the quadruple, though, would be well beyond any expectations and might deserve more than a cursory glance from neutrals and the usual dismissive notion that we should have achieved it all along. There's a thread on this forum gleefully mocking the suggestion that we might.

Although I guess all of this talk is simply hot air because we won't win the quadruple.

Unfortunately I have to agree with this, and I have been saying it for a while now. The amount of games we will play makes it almost impossible, with games every 3 days, not to mention all the extra games if we keep advancing in all competitions. Just not doable. I believe this past week is the first time City had a break since the beginning of the season.

 

[Thunderhead]

Unfortunately I have to agree with this, and I have been saying it for a while now. The amount of games we will play makes it almost impossible, with games every 3 days, not to mention all the extra games if we keep advancing in all competitions. Just not doable. I believe this past week is the first time City had a break since the beginning of the season.

Nahh not including international breaks it was a between the Bournemouth and Watford games that was the first weeks break since September