Wolfsburg will be at it, they have a chance of making the second round and they will want to take it. I doubt CSKA win in Instanbul so even a draw would do for Wolfsburg.
VfL Wolfsburg Vs. Manchester United
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Gill is a centre back, right? Chuck him in.
I've never seen the big deal about top spot, you're gunna have to beat the best at some stage anyway. Obviously you'd like to get the first knockout game done and dusted to get some momentum up and get the confidence rolling, but it's not the be all and end all. Bring on the big guns, we're up for the fight.
I've never seen the big deal about top spot, you're gunna have to beat the best at some stage anyway. Obviously you'd like to get the first knockout game done and dusted to get some momentum up and get the confidence rolling, but it's not the be all and end all. Bring on the big guns, we're up for the fight.
Gill can play centre back or left back, Matt James has played centre back for the reserves and Academy also, and Cameron Stewart can cover either full back role.
I wonder if Macheda is still eligible for the Youth Cup game on Thursday?
Great experience for the younger lads and hopefully they are not overawed if they are involved at some stage.
I wonder if Macheda is still eligible for the Youth Cup game on Thursday?
Great experience for the younger lads and hopefully they are not overawed if they are involved at some stage.
I wouldn't mind if a couple of the younger players who can play at the back get to start, rather than fielding a back four of Evra + three midfielders.
Sorry i had no idea that was from someone at the club, thought it was someone's guess. The text speak and all that.The full squad: Ben Foster, Gabriel Obertan, Magnus Eikrem, Paul Scholes, Darron Gibson, Antonio Valencia, Oliver Gill, Michael Carrick, Matty James, Michael Owen, Darren Fletcher, Danny Welbeck, Ji-sung Park, Anderson, Patrice Evra, Cameron Stewart, Tomasz Kuszczak, Nani, Oliver Norwood.
So i'd guess
PIG
Fletcher
Carrick
Gill
Evra
Park
Gibson
Scholes
Nani
Owen
Welbeck
So i'd guess
PIG
Fletcher
Carrick
Gill
Evra
Park
Gibson
Scholes
Nani
Owen
Welbeck
the full travelling squad is as follows, in no particular order: Ben Foster, Gabriel Obertan, Magnus Eikrem, Paul Scholes, Darron Gibson, Antonio Valencia, Oliver Gill, Michael Carrick, Matty James, Michael Owen, Darren Fletcher, Danny Welbeck, Ji-sung Park, Anderson, Patrice Evra, Cameron Stewart, Tomasz Kuszczak, Nani, Oliver Norwood.
official site .. hibbs there too
official site .. hibbs there too
Not a lot of defenders there, are there?
Macheda must be injured. Surprised Berba is not going.
Hate that we are looking for another 90 mins from Fletcher and Evra. We need those guys to have a full tank for the Villa game.
Going to be difficult to get the draw we need in this game with the defensive problems, but still enough quality to get a goal or two ourselves.
Hate that we are looking for another 90 mins from Fletcher and Evra. We need those guys to have a full tank for the Villa game.
Going to be difficult to get the draw we need in this game with the defensive problems, but still enough quality to get a goal or two ourselves.
Um, no?
Wolfsburg have an aggregate score of 4-3 against CSKA Moskow in their favour, with both teams on seven points. Both teams have scored the same amount, but Wolfsburg have conceded less, but due to the aggregate score none of that matters anyway.
If Wolfsburg manage to beat us by a score of 2-1 or greater, they top the group (I think even 1-0 will do). CSKA Moskow just can't overtake us because they can only reach 10 points (our current total) and we have an aggregate score of 4-3 against them in our favour as well.
Actually, now that I think about it, all Wolfsburg have to do to finish top of this group is beat our very weakened side. They've scored one more goal than us thus far, and conceded the same. A 1-0 win puts our aggregate at 2-2 with them having scored more goals than us, thus they'd finish top, right? If not, and it's just straight up head-to-head with away goals not mattering, a 2-1 or better still seals it for them.
So, if Wolfsburg win (let's say 1-0) it'd be:
a) Man Utd 3-3 Wolfsburg
b) Man Utd 2-2 Wolfsburg
c) Man Utd 0-1 Wolfsburg
And Wolfsburg would take top spot. Sucks, so we really need to not lose, hopefully win.
(Yes I just went through all that effort to make sure when it'll hardly make a difference anyway.. I was bored)
So, ideally, we just don't want to lose in Germany and that sees us through. Wolfsburg will be going for it with all they have, as winning is the only way they can be 100% sure of qualification. Beşiktaş will give CSKA Moskow a game though, as if they beat them by a scoreline that meets the criteria, they can steal third place and make the Europa League.
As for the team, Fletcher and Carrick will most likely be moved into the defence, while a kid will be dumped in at centreback (whoever's been most promising recently), Evra stays. Pretty sure Gibson, Anderson, and Scholes will all start as I reckon a 433 is something Fergie would like to play with all these issues at the back. Could be reasoning for Park to play, as well as Welbeck and maybe Owen.
Kuszczak
Fletcher Carrick Gill Evra
Gibson Scholes Anderson
Ji-Sung Park Owen Welbeck
--
Foster; James, Eikrem, Norwood/Stewart; Valencia, Nani, Obertan
Fletcher Carrick Gill Evra
Gibson Scholes Anderson
Ji-Sung Park Owen Welbeck
--
Foster; James, Eikrem, Norwood/Stewart; Valencia, Nani, Obertan
Or, for a bit more pace and penetration down the flanks:
Kuszczak
Fletcher Carrick Gill Evra
Gibson Scholes Anderson
Valencia Owen Nani
--
Foster; James, Eikrem, Norwood/Stewart; Park, Obertan; Welbeck
Fletcher Carrick Gill Evra
Gibson Scholes Anderson
Valencia Owen Nani
--
Foster; James, Eikrem, Norwood/Stewart; Park, Obertan; Welbeck
This would allow us to start more on the front foot IMO, while giving us the option of either protecting what we have with Park coming on, or going for it as we'd have the option to replace a winger, and bring on a big front man for either Owen or a midfielder.
Either way, got a feeling we won't win the match.
Wrong
Wolfsburg can beat us 10-0 and, if CSKA beat Besiktas by 1-0, we top the group as we would have gotten more points in the games against Wolfsburg and CSKA than they would have.
If Wolfsburg beat us 10-0 and CSKA beat Besiktas 1-0, the group would look like this:
P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Man Utd 5 3 1 1 7 15 -8 10
2 Wolfsburg 6 3 1 2 18 5 13 10
3 CSKA Moscow 6 3 1 2 9 9 0 10
4 Besiktas 5 1 1 3 2 6 -4 4
with the results between the top 3 teams:
united 2-1 wolfsburg
united 3-3 cska
cska 0-1 united
wolfsburg 10-0 united
cksa 2-1 wolfsburg
wolfsburg 3-1 cska
So, disregarding Besiktas (as that is how the teams are decided), United would have 7 points, Wolfsburg would have 6 points and CSKA would have 4 points. So we would top the group, Wolfsburg through in 2nd and CSKA into the Europa League.
Ronaldo VII is correct. a CSKA win means we're top whatever happens.
Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs, Dimitar Berbatov and Federico Macheda were all also left behind with one eye on this weekend’s Premier League clash with Aston Villa.
WTF, are we going for second in the group?
WTF, are we going for second in the group?
19 travel but you can only name 18 in the match day squad....the unlucky one will be -> Nani
Fergie wants a crack at Barcelona in the next round.
Really though, If we don't top the group it'll be because we lost to Besiktas. Wolfsburg away was always going to be tricky, no matter how strong a team we put out. And we do have to consider the importance of the Villa game to our PL hopes.
The players we put out against Besiktas let themselves down, and if we do meet Barca in the next then we'll just have to get on with it. Better that than the Europa League like certain other teams.
Code:
Kuszczak
Park Fletcher Carrick Evra
Valencia Gibson Scholes Anderson Nani
OwenSo Kiko is now a top player or what? What is the reason for leaving him behind? Or is it to torment Villa? lol
Id say Kiko isnt registered.
My team.........
------------------Tomasz Kuszczak-------------------
--Darren Fletcher--Michael Carrick--Patrice Evra--Ji-sung Park
--Antonio Valencia--Darron Gibson--Scholes--Anderson
--------------Michael Owen--Danny Welbeck------------
As mentioned in another thread thread Gibson isnt very good in the air and doesnt exactly compliment Carrick so I reckon Evra will defo start in the middle. His pace will be needed. Park played left back for PSV in a few big matches.
My team.........
------------------Tomasz Kuszczak-------------------
--Darren Fletcher--Michael Carrick--Patrice Evra--Ji-sung Park
--Antonio Valencia--Darron Gibson--Scholes--Anderson
--------------Michael Owen--Danny Welbeck------------
As mentioned in another thread thread Gibson isnt very good in the air and doesnt exactly compliment Carrick so I reckon Evra will defo start in the middle. His pace will be needed. Park played left back for PSV in a few big matches.
Kiko is registered, I guess SAF rates him very highly or he is carrying a knock.
I believe we could have still added him even if he was not registered as he is our "product"
I believe we could have still added him even if he was not registered as he is our "product"
Eh? Hope you dont live in Rome with a comment like that!!!!
He isnt here 3 years so doesnt fall into that category.
it has to be 2 years at the club and under 21
kiko officially joined in sept 07(wiki) so he wouldnt have completed 2 years at the time of registration
kiko officially joined in sept 07(wiki) so he wouldnt have completed 2 years at the time of registration
Conditions for registration: List BEh? Hope you dont live in Rome with a comment like that!!!!
He isnt here 3 years so doesnt fall into that category.
Maybe I have a comprehension problem, but Kiko was a Manchester United player in Sep 2007, we are in Dec 2009. That is two years no? Where did you get your three years idea from?
To Prateik, the key words are during the season and before a particular match.
Kiko is registred as he played against Besiktas last round..
I think Macheda may be involved with the youth team in the youth cup.
Is David Gills son any good.
Ah ok so I stand corrected, its 2 years rather than 3.
Although it doesnt matter as Kiko is registered already. Youth team play on thursday night although its a while since Kiko gained anything by playing at that level, nevermind the reserves.
Although it doesnt matter as Kiko is registered already. Youth team play on thursday night although its a while since Kiko gained anything by playing at that level, nevermind the reserves.
Why didn't Rooney complete the game at West Ham then? Really confusing..
Hopefully Nani will get 90 minutes
Random: I met Macheda last night briefly
Random: I met Macheda last night briefly
More gash !
"Rio - no planned return. O'Shea and Evans out till New Year. Rooney and Berbatov injured (not rested) and doubtful for Saturday"
That's from Fergie's 5:30pm press conference (via Hibbs)
This isn't an injury crisis
An injury crisis is where one of your strikers
is missing, and maybe a midfielder.
We will win tomorrow
An injury crisis is where one of your strikers
is missing, and maybe a midfielder.
We will win tomorrow
He's played there for the reserves and done ok.gash !
Macheda is injured, out for a couple of weeks.
ANOTHER one.
ANOTHER one.
We should play a team of 10 midfielders and a PIG.
Who are also crippled with injuries.
Man Utd Squad
Foster, Kuszczak; Evra, Gill; Carrick, Scholes, Gibson, Fletcher, Anderson, Eikrem, James, Valencia, Obertan, Park, Nani, Stewart, Norwood; Owen, Welbeck
Starting 11
----------Kuszczak--------
---------------------------
-Fletcher-Carrick-Gill-Evra--
---------------------------
---Gibson-Scholes-Anderson-
Valencia----------------Park
------------Owen----------
Subs
Foster
James
Eikrem
Norwood
Obertan
Nani
Welbeck
Might see something like this. Kuszczak stays in goal obviously. We will need height in central defence so Carrick and Gill might be a partnership with Fletcher and Evra at full back. I expect us to protect our defence with a 5 man midfield. 3 in the centre and 2 wingers. I suspect Park will also start to work hard down the left flank. Owen will no doubt be isolated so the midfield will need to push up and support him.
Attack will have to be the best form of defence because the back is a shambles at the moment.
Foster, Kuszczak; Evra, Gill; Carrick, Scholes, Gibson, Fletcher, Anderson, Eikrem, James, Valencia, Obertan, Park, Nani, Stewart, Norwood; Owen, Welbeck
Starting 11
----------Kuszczak--------
---------------------------
-Fletcher-Carrick-Gill-Evra--
---------------------------
---Gibson-Scholes-Anderson-
Valencia----------------Park
------------Owen----------
Subs
Foster
James
Eikrem
Norwood
Obertan
Nani
Welbeck
Might see something like this. Kuszczak stays in goal obviously. We will need height in central defence so Carrick and Gill might be a partnership with Fletcher and Evra at full back. I expect us to protect our defence with a 5 man midfield. 3 in the centre and 2 wingers. I suspect Park will also start to work hard down the left flank. Owen will no doubt be isolated so the midfield will need to push up and support him.
Attack will have to be the best form of defence because the back is a shambles at the moment.
Even with the all injuries Id be absolutely shocked if Gill starts. Cant see it happening