You don’t ref based on mood.
Was it a red?
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Never a red, unfortunately Elliott got injured. Liam Cooper done the same kind of tackle to Mane a few minutes later.
Do you prefer it to be less contact? Weird take
Based on that clip, looks like a scissor tackle with both feet leaving the ground
From the one replay it doesn't look like a red card. It's difficult to even tell how his leg/ankle even broke in the replay so can't say it's never a red with strong conviction.
Have you seen a different/angle or replay? Nothing has been shown besides real time. And it wasn't a flying tackle. He wasn't from behind, he came from the side. The ankle got caught underneath his leg when it was moving up.
Looked like a great challenge. Very hard to tell without the replays from different angles though
We know they’ve lied about it though. How can Pawson claim with straight he was always going to send him off when he didn’t even give a free kick until he saw the injury?
Thanks. Same tackle imo
I said it during the incident, how does he get away with chasing refs around all the time. He went onto the field to talk to the ref, any other manager and they are sent to the stands.
Yeah, but it's human nature, isn't it? The referee is God on the pitch. The human element came into play and Pawson made a choice. Doesn't mean it was by the books but I can see why he'd do it.
Looks more like he caught the trailing leg with his momentum in the challenge rather than scissors!?
Excessive force may apply here, but I'm not seeing anything else at all.
They're playing Leeds. A United forum is probably a reasonably unbiased place to look for an opinion given we hate them both on similar levels.
It wasn't.
It'll be weird if they don't show a single replay of it post-match.
Even if they have to give some advance warnings that it's about to be shown, fine...but it's a pretty important moment in the match and you'd sort of like to see whether or not it warranted a red.
Even if they have to give some advance warnings that it's about to be shown, fine...but it's a pretty important moment in the match and you'd sort of like to see whether or not it warranted a red.
Can’t believe Shreeves didn’t go out and interview him ala Rogan and Conor
Probably not
Are you sure he didn't kung fu kick Elliot shouting "feck the ball!"?
Everyone knows why he did it. You are the only one who seems to agree with it
Looks to me he launches himself, both feet leaving the ground, catching elliot's leg between his
Looks like a psychotic tackle to me honestly, complete disregard for the opponent's safety
No chance thats a red card. Decent challenge, just very unlucky
Hope Elliot gets well quickly
Hope Elliot gets well quickly
Not even a foul, never mind a red. Unfortunate accident.
Every tackle looks like that though no? I mean the act of going full on in front of a player's legs to get a small ball away from them would look psychotic in hindsight if it ended up with a leg break. Regardless of how innocuous a tackle it was. There was a tackle on Mane around the 70 minute mark that was the exact same intensity and type of tackle and it wasn't even a foul. Tackles like that happen 10 times a game in the PL.
Not for me. Here he goes with one straight leg for the ball (as did Struijk), but he bends the other leg to not hit Mane in a harmful way. Struijk kept his leg straight and therefore applied the full force of his motion on Elliot.
Edit: Saying he kept it straight is not really what happened... in a way he straightened his leg while rolling over and in doing that kicked Elliot. A very unfortunate event, but still a foul for me.
I understand why he did it. I don't agree with it based on the evidence I saw. But he has the benefit of talking to his team in the background. I don't. They will never show the VAR replay of the injury, so I can't say much more than that.
Not a red. Classic case of the ref basing it on the outcome alone and not the actual challenge. Only human I guess, and it doesn't help when you have Klopp screaming like a banshee at you.
How anyone can think that's not a foul is beyond me. You can't do whatever you want just because you get the ball. Was it a red? In this case, given the outcome, it's entirely fair.
Games gone innit
Outcome is entirely irrelevant when judging a foul.
Just a very unfortunate accident I think.
Elliots trailing leg gets trapped by the defenders trailing leg. 9/10 that doesn't happen and play continues, it wouldn't usually be a foul.
Football is a contact sport.
Elliots trailing leg gets trapped by the defenders trailing leg. 9/10 that doesn't happen and play continues, it wouldn't usually be a foul.
Football is a contact sport.
I would prefer that skillful players can express themselves. Progress has been made over the last couple of decades, but knuckle draggers want to take us back to the 'take the ball then the man' era, which is a backwards step.
VAR shouldn’t get involved if they didn’t refer him to the screen?
No injury - Freekick.
Injury - Red Card.
There is a thin line. I think it is red, just because of the injury. Rules are there.
Injury - Red Card.
There is a thin line. I think it is red, just because of the injury. Rules are there.
The one from the other clip? Doesn't look the same. Doesn't launch off the ground with both feet, and is mindful to not catch mane's legs between his
The key here for me is that both feet leave the ground. He basically jumps into elliot's leg
I don't believe that's a requisite for any VAR decision. He was having a conversation with the VAR team on his earpiece.
Pretty sure it’s standard? VAR ref can’t overrule on pitch decisions.
Or so I thought
It clearly isn't though . You can easily say that because it was a leg breaking challenge he did endanger his opponent. I mean, you can say that you see those kind of challenges all the time, but the action his left leg does in the tackle is not pretty IMO.
The thing is though the ref waves play on until Salah brought attention to the severity of the situation. It’s hard to say how bad the tackle was with no replays, but it seemed like an unfortunate injury more so than a horrible tackle.
First glance, looks like a good challenge, replays show the same except for his trailing leg. I don't think it was a dangerous challenge but my word, young Elliot came off very very unlucky! Hope he recovers quickly and cleanly, not a sight you want to see any player in! 