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That Ricky Lambert is a very important player for Southampton?Yep, and Ricky Lambert was involved in 43% of Southampton goals.
Make of it what you will.
What else would you make of it?
That Ricky Lambert is a very important player for Southampton?Yep, and Ricky Lambert was involved in 43% of Southampton goals.
Make of it what you will.
That Lambert was quite good for Southampton?Yep, and Ricky Lambert was involved in 43% of Southampton goals.
Make of it what you will.
Dunno, they gave the top 3 or 4 I think.I wonder what the average figure would be for a regular starter in an attacking role across all PL clubs.
It would tell me that Lambert plays most of the time in the opposition half and therefore will/should be involved in quite a high percentage of goals scored.That Ricky Lambert is a very important player for Southampton?
What else would you make of it?
The same applies to all forward players, yet those two, plus Suarez, were in the top spots for doing so.It would tell me that Lambert plays most of the time in the opposition half and therefore will/should be involved in quite a high percentage of goals scored.
It doesn't tell me Lambert is a great player.
Same applies to Rooney.
Fair enough, but it would be interesting to see how many minutes these players played in comparison to others.The same applies to all forward players, yet those two, plus Suarez, were in the top spots for doing so.
It's like dismissing a keeper's clean sheet record by saying "Well that's what he's supposed to do"
It's nothing like that whatsoever.The same applies to all forward players, yet those two, plus Suarez, were in the top spots for doing so.
It's like dismissing a keeper's clean sheet record by saying "Well that's what he's supposed to do"
I underestimated Van Persie a lot, I never realized how good he was until he played for us his at least a level or two above Rooney IMO.
Why? He's a technically superior player.How utterly ridiculous.
A level or two above? That's one of the most stupid statements I've ever heard. He's better technically but Rooney is better in numerous other ways and similar statistically - better last season.Why? He's a technically superior player.
Enumerate all of them.A level or two above? That's one of the most stupid statements I've ever heard. He's better technically but Rooney is better in numerous other ways and similar statistically - better last season.
Van Persie is better than Rooney at striker but there isn't much in it. Saying he's a "level or two above" is just stupidity.
Depends on how on compares them. I think RVP is a level above Rooney as a striker, but that it is an unfair comparison as Rooney is at his very best in a false-9 role where he can drop slightly deeper with wingers running in to the space behind the centre-backs.A level or two above? That's one of the most stupid statements I've ever heard. He's better technically but Rooney is better in numerous other ways and similar statistically - better last season.
Van Persie is better than Rooney at striker but there isn't much in it. Saying he's a "level or two above" is just stupidity.
Passing, better set piece taker, better work rate, more flexible as can play different positions. Also despite Van Persie being taller, Rooney is actually superior in the air to him as well.Enumerate all of them.
I think Van Persie is a level or two above Rooney as well. Tell us all, as best you can, why this judgement is "utterly ridiculous" and "one of the stupidest things you've ever heard".
It's the common view here, indicative of the microscopic attention span of the modern United fan. Rooney has been at the club too long, and people are simply bored of him. They may deceive themselves by claiming to by moral paragons by disowning Rooney because he may have had thoughts of leaving the club in the past. Manchester United players are not allowed to do this according to these fans, despite it being exceeding common for players to occasionally desire a new challenge. It is also fine for them to destroy their disliked players and hope for them to be sold, but when it comes to a player expressing the possibility of leaving, then they are left with no option but to disown them. It is very weird, they demand loyalty from players, but show none for them. Only the recent signings are championed, and those who have been key players at the club for many years are worthless to them.How utterly ridiculous.
No idea why some United fans seem to hate who in my view is their best overall player.This thread has turned into a shithole. The amount of abuse and lack of respect towards Rooney is ridiculous.
There isn't much between them at all.While I'm tired of the Rooney abuse, van Persie is by far our best player.
I think he is referring to now, not when they are both at their best.There isn't much between them at all.
Probably not all that much, but van Persie is among the best centre-forwards in the world, Rooney is the level just below that.There isn't much between them at all.
There are very few strikers I'd take over Rooney at Spurs, if he was at his best. I'd put him among the top forwards in world football.Probably not all that much, but van Persie is among the best centre-forwards in the world, Rooney is the level just below that.
He's played out of position because there are better players playing on his normal position.There are very few strikers I'd take over Rooney at Spurs, if he was at his best. I'd put him among the top forwards in world football.
Unlike Van Persie he's often played out of position, even in midfield. If it was a straight choice between the two, I'd take Rooney at WHL.
Yeah, ok. Keep hating on him, I'm sure you'll celebrate all his goals and assists the same.He's played out of position because there are better players playing on his normal position.
Are you saying Hernandez and Welbeck are better than Rooney in his 'normal position' then, because a few seasons ago, both were played ahead of Rooney in the striker role?He's played out of position because there are better players playing on his normal position.
Why do people have to "hate" Rooney to be making an observation on his performances?Yeah, ok. Keep hating on him, I'm sure you'll celebrate all his goals and assists the same.
I don't remember Rooney being played on the wing to accommodate Hernandez or Welbeck. As far as I know 2nd striker is his natural and favorite position, so I don't know what exactly are you talking about.Are you saying Hernandez and Welbeck are better than Rooney in his 'normal position' then, because a few seasons ago, both were played ahead of Rooney in the striker role?
Fact is, Rooney is a versatile player, and has been one of the best around in the role that he has played (support striker) since he's been at United. Despite who's been playing in front of him, whether it be Welbeck, Van Persie, Hernandez, Berbatov, etc, he's always produced, which is why he gets played in that role.
I actually agree, except for the set-piece bit. Rooney is an underrated direct free kick taker, but his corners are bogus. When RVP arrived and started taking corners, we actually started scoring from them. RVP is excellent at corners and free kicks.Passing, better set piece taker, better work rate, more flexible as can play different positions. Also despite Van Persie being taller, Rooney is actually superior in the air to him as well.
I disagree with this too. RvP was injured for large spells of last season, played 12 fewer games, and still scored the same amount of goals as Rooney. Rooney was our best outfield player, but there wasn't much in it.You think Van Persie is a level or two above Rooney? The same Rooney who will likely end his time as your all time top scorer, the same Rooney who last season totally outperformed Van Persie? Who was maybe one or two goals shy of Van Persie's best ever tally when he was at Arsenal.
That is the only thing and they should admit that rather than talking bullshit and making excuses to hate him and criticize him unfairly.If Rooney hadn't have pissed about over getting pay rises, he'd probably still be adored here. People seem too critical of him these days, probably because they just don't like him anymore.
It's what we do around here. We don't appreciate our greatest players and say they should be sold, but over the years grow found of players and place hope in those like Nani and Anderson.No idea why some United fans seem to hate who in my view is their best overall player.
It wasn't always second striker, though, was it? Many times, against tough opposition, Rooney had to drop into midfield, while Welbeck or Hernandez got the striker role. Barcelona in 09.I don't remember Rooney being played on the wing to accommodate Hernandez or Welbeck. As far as I know 2nd striker is his natural and favorite position, so I don't know what exactly are you talking about.
As a striker he is undoubted I believe, at least I haven't ever seen anybody complain about him being anything but world-class there. The only critique he gets as a striker is when compared to RVP who has the edge over him so it seems sometimes as if people don't rate him as they discuss his weaknesses compared to RVP.Guys when you are rating Rooney, do you rate him as a striker or as a AM? For a striker you have to be plain, in only 2 seasons the lad has really really scored lots of goals.
Opening this thread is like somebody telling you there is a billion pound note at the bottom of a barrel of sewerage. Having your arms tied and the only way to get it is with your mouth.This thread has turned into a shithole. The amount of abuse and lack of respect towards Rooney is ridiculous.
He didn't play in midfield vs Barca in 2011(I'm assuming you are talking about that game).It wasn't always second striker, though, was it? Many times, against tough opposition, Rooney had to drop into midfield, while Welbeck or Hernandez got the striker role. Barcelona in 09.
It's not even that. It just doesnt seem to be any cohesion in terms of what people are discussing. It feels like the caf will never be able to talk about Rooney without it blowing up into a shitshowThis thread has turned into a shithole. The amount of abuse and lack of respect towards Rooney is ridiculous.
Respect is an odd thing though, what entitles a man to be respected? It differs for everyone. I respect a man for being a good bloke, honest, trustworthy, loyal, or someone who makes a difference to the world, not for being a very good footballer, I'm sure everyone in this thread has a different scope for what they respect.This thread has turned into a shithole. The amount of abuse and lack of respect towards Rooney is ridiculous.