Yeah you have absolutely nailed itThe last two years under Ole have overall very been disappointing to say the least
A lot of performances the team looks like a bunch of strangers thrown together for the first time!
that comes down to the coaching.
You're telling this to people who thinks we've a lousier starting eleven than Leicester last season.RB Leipzig's players aren't nearly the same quality as ours and they look 50x the team. Please stop with this nonsense. The guy needs to go, but he won't cause there is enough support from fans who will go over the top in comeback wins against West Ham etc.
I've said it before, people need to really assess if any of these wins etc. are sustainable and actual signs of progress. We don't look any different or better a team since he came in.
Leicester didn't have the Europa league draining their squad resources though.You're telling this to people who thinks we've a lousier starting eleven than Leicester last season.
Yeah if we are going to start defensive then at least be looking to bring in a coach who understands how to defend properlyI don't mind starting with defensive setup. But for ffs then defend and deny the opposition space.
Everyone knew that they have to score. Then why on Earth did he start with Greenwood?
Why on Earth did he get Greenwood and Rashford to press them early?
Just sit back and deny the space in our own half and let them play in their own half. A football game is won not only in the first half.
Could happen if Ole accepts the coaching around him is not up to the required standardMost points in the league in 2020. Hopefully we continue to improve.
Yes fair. We also need more balance in midfield and on the right side of the pitch. I have faith and will reassess at the end of the season.Could happen if Ole accepts the coaching around him is not up to the required standard
He needs to be bringing them before the end of the season,think it's the only way we can actually stop conceding sloppy goals all the timeYes fair. We also need more balance in midfield and on the right side of the pitch. I have faith and will reassess at the end of the season.
That's because of Bruno - we basically bought arguably, the best player on the planet and he is single handedly forcing us to score goals.Most points in the league in 2020. Hopefully we continue to improve.
He tried to park the bus, but he sucked at that, too.what was it you were saying?
Trust in defence? There is none and thats why hes played 7 tonight
He tried to park the bus but forgot to put the brakes on.He tried to park the bus, but he sucked at that, too.
He relies purely on individual skill of players to score goals and his No.1 tactic: get the ball to Bruno and hope he can do something special.
Yes Ole must be punished for securing an immediately effective creative midfielder to complement our previous ability to play counter attack effectively.That's because of Bruno - we basically bought arguably, the best player on the planet and he is single handedly forcing us to score goals.
When he gets marked out of the game, we lose.
Before Bruno joined us, in 2019, we were in the doldrums.
Ole should not be allowed to continue, just because he got lucky with Bruno. If Bruno gets injured, we'll stop scoring points and Ole will be sacked.
Yes, remove our best players and we get worse. Who would have thought.That's because of Bruno - we basically bought arguably, the best player on the planet and he is single handedly forcing us to score goals.
When he gets marked out of the game, we lose.
Before Bruno joined us, in 2019, we were in the doldrums.
Ole should not be allowed to continue, just because he got lucky with Bruno. If Bruno gets injured, we'll stop scoring points and Ole will be sacked.
How condescending.Yes, remove our best players and we get worse. Who would have thought.
If you collapse whenever your best player leaves the pitch, then you are either a terrible one man team or your manager can't adapt his style to work without this best player. All teams in the world lose their best players or have them in off form for some periods every season. No team plays the full season without at least one major injury. All managers have to adapt to that, really.Yes, remove our best players and we get worse. Who would have thought.
Is this some kind of trophy we won? Because it seems to be mentioned a lot lately.Yes Ole must be punished for securing an immediately effective creative midfielder to complement our previous ability to play counter attack effectively.
Most league points since Bruno joined? How can Ole be allowed to continue!!!??
No, Liverpool and Man City have picked up more points in 2020 in the league.Most points in the league in 2020. Hopefully we continue to improve.
Ole hasn't changed anything in two years. All he's done is swap Pogba for Bruno, whilst retaining the exact same weaknesses/over reliance on one player.If you collapse whenever your best player leaves the pitch, then you are either a terrible one man team or your manager can't adapt his style to work without this best player. All teams in the world lose their best players or have them in off form for some periods every season. No team plays the full season without at least one major injury. All managers have to adapt to that, really.
Yeah there is no doubt that we are far too reliant on Bruno and the only way that changes is by either bringing in another creator or just simply playing Donny regularly once Pogba has goneOle hasn't changed anything in two years. All he's done is swap Pogba for Bruno, whilst retaining the exact same weaknesses/over reliance on one player.
Which we already know is found out at the highest level. Which was the whole point why we got Bruno & VDB in the first place.
We used to pray for Pogba to carry us every match. Now we pray for Bruno to be able to do the same.
Progress.
Did you you seriously expect us to win trophies last season? A season we started off with inadequate signings and rescued from complete failure with the acquisition of Fernandes.Is this some kind of trophy we won? Because it seems to be mentioned a lot lately.
I swear some things said here if they were said on RAWK, Blue moon, Arsenal Mania, or literally any other rival clubs forum, we would be laughing our arse off on them.
150m is inadequate to expect a domestic cup? Here's the thing, Ole is the only United manager that hasn't won a cup, not even a mickey mouse cup. Even Moyes won the community shield. Don't expect a title challenge Ole simply has to win the carabao cup or FA cup this season or he'll easily overtake Moyes as our worst manager. It's only december so it hasnt dawned on people Ole is about to become the first manager to see out consecutive trophyless seasons here since SAFDid you you seriously expect us to win trophies last season? A season we started off with inadequate signings and rescued from complete failure with the acquisition of Fernandes.
Most pundits thought that we were a few seasons away from being competitive and despite a poor start in the PL we were 2 points behind Liverpool until they won their extra game. At this stage last season we were 18 points behind Liverpool after 11 games. Is that not a sign of progress?
Knee jerk reactions after a CL exit from a group that had a semi finalist and a finalist from last season (both of who we beat once) are unrealistic. We were undone by the necessary gamble to rest players for the Istanbul game.
There's going to be setbacks until recruitment brings balance. Especially when the Covid circumstances mean a tight schedule with a small group of trusted players.
Sir Alex joined in 1986 and his first trophy was in 1990.150m is inadequate to expect a domestic cup? Here's the thing, Ole is the only United manager that hasn't won a cup, not even a mickey mouse cup. Even Moyes won the community shield. Don't expect a title challenge Ole simply has to win the carabao cup or FA cup this season or he'll easily overtake Moyes as our worst manager. It's only december so it hasnt dawned on people Ole is about to become the first manager to see out consecutive trophyless seasons here since SAF
Wish we took this into account when we fired Moyes. Should have been given the full 5 years to become SAF MKIISir Alex joined in 1986 and his first trophy was in 1990.
Sir Alex had already won the European Cup Winners Cup and also won the Scottish League a few times along with the Cups. This is not some Mickey mouse league in Scandinavia, especially those days when Scottish football was something.Sir Alex joined in 1986 and his first trophy was in 1990.
That is still what he is claiming. He never thought he would be sacked after 9 months. He feels he would have been SAF MKII if he was given the 5 years. We would have become Everton if that has happened and now in danger of becoming Molde.Wish we took this into account when we fired Moyes. Should have been given the full 5 years to become SAF MKII
What about the fact the lost 5-0 in the reverse fixture to the terribly coached team? I don’t think Ole is a great manager but you can’t make comments like that when United hammered them at Old Trafford.RB Leipzig's players aren't nearly the same quality as ours and they look 50x the team. Please stop with this nonsense. The guy needs to go, but he won't cause there is enough support from fans who will go over the top in comeback wins against West Ham etc.
I've said it before, people need to really assess if any of these wins etc. are sustainable and actual signs of progress. We don't look any different or better a team since he came in.
You do know United wasn't his first gig. SAF was afford time because of his previous exploits and he was also trying to eradicate a corrosive drinking culture within the squad, refresh a failing team and wake a sleeping giant. Totally different situations so please don't ever compare both managers. It's like comparing Sugar Ray Leonard to Jimmy Smith.Sir Alex joined in 1986 and his first trophy was in 1990.
What's stopping him from playing DVB/Pogba alongside Bruno now? After 2 years, we're still the same team as the first day he walked in. He hasn't got a clue. There's no chance of anything changing under Ole sadly.Yeah there is no doubt that we are far too reliant on Bruno and the only way that changes is by either bringing in another creator or just simply playing Donny regularly once Pogba has gone
This is what's so frustrating. Between Bruno, Pogba, and DVB, we should have the best midfield in the world, but our tactically inept manager simply cannot figure it out.What's stopping him from playing DVB/Pogba alongside Bruno now? After 2 years, we're still the same team as the first day he walked in. He hasn't got a clue. There's no chance of anything changing under Ole sadly.
You are kidding, right? LvG made us play the most awful football ever. We should've sacked him much earlier than we actually did.We have been the best coached under LVG
We had a clear pattern of play and every player had a job and knew what job it was. Should not be sacked after winning the FA cup.
I don't understand how you can say we overachieved last season. We can divide last season into pre Bruno and post Bruno. Before Bruno came the ability of the squad was questionable given we had some injuries at certain periods at that time. And what happened? We were absolute rubbish and during that time Ole was rumoured to be sacked on two separate occasions.It would be interesting to have some kind of poll on Redcafe with the below options.
Utd have overachieved under Ole, taking into account the ability of the squad
Utd have achieved par under Ole, taking into account the ability of the squad
Utd have underachieved under Ole, taking into account the ability of the squad.
I personally would vote for a) overachieved currently, based on last years’ league position and the average age/ability of the players who took the field for us.
This year, I would say par is 4th again, albeit would be nice if it was at least a comfortable 4th and not come down to the last game or two.
In addition, it would be interesting to see how posters would vote given the below options
Utd have a fantastic squad/poor manager
Utd have a good squad/poor manager
Utd have an average squad/poor manager
Utd have a poor squad/poor manager
Then rinse repeat but swap “poor manager” for “average manager”, “good manager” and “fantastic manager”
Again, personally I would vote for “good squad, good manager” if asked right now, based on last season’s 3rd place finish and our start to this season
I don't know what season you watched. We spent the majority of last season threatening to break our all-time worst records:Utd have overachieved under Ole, taking into account the ability of the squad
I personally would vote for a) overachieved currently, based on last years’ league position and the average age/ability of the players who took the field for us.
