We are so fecked! (Knee-Jerk Overload)

[Smores]

I can't remember when but Neville called out Pogba for being a Veron type transfer and to be fair it's probably true.

To be fair Pogba had a good first season and then a few phases of form but like Veron he's always been ill fitted. A midfielder who you can't rely on to actually take up the required positions of a midfielder and one who seems to play when they want. A luxury centre mid.

The difference being then we had the quality to get rid and move on. At the moment it's not there and we'll need buy it in sharpish.

 

[sp_107]

Over reaction I would say, We all knew this is coming and it might do good to us in long run as we can buy 3 decent midfielders with that money.

Pogba is the best on his day but the problem is he doesnt have the other midfielders at UTD to cover his faults and his heart is already set on a transfer to Madrid, so better we accept that and move on.

Barella(50M)+Aouar(50)+Raboit(free)+Tielemans(40) = 4 midfielders with his 140£ fee we get from Madrid.

so I am not too worried, Once UTD start challenging tittles then we can automatically attract players like Pogba again.

As Lukaku, Pogba leaving, I would like to use this opportunity and put a cap on wage structure at our club.

We dont need 200+ a week players at this moment and that big wage gap within the team is creating friction so this is the perfect chance to get some sort of control on that, Hope Woody dont issue 350K contracts to Rashford, Maguire and then see situation getting out of control again.

 

[vanderpants]

Lukaku money
Pogba money
That '100m' we had left over last season
This years budget.

Really, if we're a club with ambition, we should be able to spend around 350-400m or so. Not that I see it happening, but things could look good if we recruit well.
Names circulating fill me with some confidence this season at least. I see Ole being the potential problem

but it doesnt work like that does it , would be nice if it did

 

[Joseunited]

Really looking forward to next year.

Pogba and de Gea will still be here, don't worry about them.

Big signings will arrive. If Wann Bisaka arrives and James can literally stand on the right wing and run at players we've improved our first team massively already.

No Jose either!

That's the spirit,can't wait for the start, new signings on the way, AWB means the end of Ashley Young, the quickest player in the league signed, good times ahead.

 

[GDaly95]

I personally am starting to panic.

We're relying on a man who has failed to do the bare minimum, to now do so much in one summer that we actually catch up on clubs that are much more efficient and better ran than us.

On top of that, everything we've heard so far this summer suggests we still have a chaotic, naive, scatter-gun transfer approach which has failed us in the past 5 or so years.

Oh and our two best players want to leave along with our only proven prolific striker.

The odds of progression next season look minuscule.

 

[Amadaeus]

The worst part in all of this is that Ole, a guy who has no reason to be managing a top football club is apparently tasked with doing the rebuilding job. His cv shows that he is totally unqualified for this task yet he somehow been giving the opportunity to rebuild United. He must be the luckiest guy on earth.

Regardless, looking at his transfer strategy to aspire to be like Sir Alex and play the ‘United way’, at least we will have a good British core. Nothing can go wrong with having a British core. The lads will work hard, show fire thunder passion and all the good attributes that comes with having a british core. I m looking forward to Young yelling at longstaff that he should have passed the ball sideways to Jones, who will then set James of on the counter.

 

[tenpoless]

After seeing what AJAX did, anything is possible. But if We dont sign more players yes it will be very hard. I just hope it wont be 20 years before We win another PL.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Both Pogba and De Gea are free to pursue their own career interests. I don't begrudge them that. But Pogba talks about it on camera whilst still contracted to the club. De Gea doesn't.

That's the difference.

You're creating your own fictions about De Gea based on tabloid reports, suppositions and implications.

Whether the facts about their situations are identical or totally different, their conduct is certainly not the same.

You're taking this all too personally man. Pogba wants to move to a better company. So be it.

 

[Josep Dowling]

I think we are fkd too. Especially if we really think we can replace everyone with young British championship players. James is in everyones first team!
But if we spend the money 400-500 we could build a really good side. Everyone says we are nuts and wont spend over 250 and we won't sign more than 4 players. But this is no ordinary situation. 6th in the league and lose all your top players. Thats disaster. If we generate 200 on sales then we should spend like crazy.

———-——-Oblak
Wan B—-Harry-Alderweild—Shaw
———-Rabiot—Matic
—————Dybala
Sancho—-Rashford—Martial

Even if we pay top rates
Oblak - 80
Wan - 60
Harry - 75
Alderweild - 25
Rabiot - free
Dybala - 90
Sancho - 90
Total - 420

Well we can certainly dream.

 

[El-Manos]

Overreaction my hole. It’s been happening for years but it’s no longer a gradual process. We’re in a full blown crisis now and we are doing feck all about it. Anyone being optimistic at this point is just deluded. Nothing will change as long as king Woodward is in charge.

 

[Dante]

You're taking this all too personally man. Pogba wants to move to a better company. So be it.

I said the same thing that you're saying:

Both Pogba and De Gea are free to pursue their own career interests. I don't begrudge them that. But Pogba talks about it on camera whilst still contracted to the club. De Gea doesn't.

That's the difference.

You're creating your own fictions about De Gea based on tabloid reports, suppositions and implications.

Whether the facts about their situations are identical or totally different, their conduct is certainly not the same.

And what part of my post makes you think it's personal? You seem to be making up stuff.

 

[Josep Dowling]

After seeing what AJAX did, anything is possible. But if We dont sign more players yes it will be very hard. I just hope it wont be 20 years before We win another PL.

Seriously? The big difference between us and Ajax is they have a very good youth system. We haven’t produced a top class player since the 90s. On top of that they only have PSV as major rivals in the Dutch league. We have 5 rivals and now the other clubs have money we can’t bully clubs into selling us their best players.

 

[el3mel]

On the contrary I'm optimistic that by getting rid of Pogba we can start building a proper football team instead of focusing on building a team around an inconsistent player to cover for his deficiencies. If we can manage this well, we can end up of this deal as winners.

 

[tenpoless]

Seriously? The big difference between us and Ajax is they have a very good youth system. We haven’t produced a top class player since the 90s. On top of that they only have PSV as major rivals in the Dutch league. We have 5 rivals and now the other clubs have money we can’t bully clubs into selling us their best players.

We have the money to sign young talents from all over the world, Heck, We can also afford to sign older players. They couldn't do those but fair play to their academy, They managed to build a proper team. It's more about building a proper team with the right personnel.

We have wasted so much money for feck all.

The change needs to be from top to bottom, not only the players but the people responsible for signing them, playing them, training them.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

I said the same thing that you're saying:

And what part of my post makes you think it's personal? You seem to be making up stuff.

All the disrespect stuff. He's not disrespecting anyone. He wants to move away asap and is doing, rather tactfully even, what it takes to do so. If anything he is doing the club a favour by telling them he wants out now. Odd that the club would expect to keep him and get any sort of consistent effort out of him if he doesn't get his move. He's better off and we're better off without him. Can't see the value in standing firm on principle over 20M pounds when he's likely to cause more disruption by being here and unhappy, as we've seen.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Lukaku money
Pogba money
That '100m' we had left over last season
This years budget.

Really, if we're a club with ambition, we should be able to spend around 350-400m or so. Not that I see it happening, but things could look good if we recruit well.
Names circulating fill me with some confidence this season at least. I see Ole being the potential problem

For me, Solskjaers words a month ago are ringing “I know we won’t sign more than 5 players”

James is signed, so now no more than 4 players. United need at least 7 more players if all those are sold to even think about the top 4.

There just seems to be a lack of ambition there. I’ve no confidence that any outgoings would be replaced. We already have more to do than at any point in history. We have 2 weeks until pre-season and doing absolutely nothing

 

[Dante]

All the disrespect stuff. He's not disrespecting anyone. He wants to move away asap and is doing, rather tactfully even, what it takes to do so. If anything he is doing the club a favour by telling them he wants out now. Odd that the club would expect to keep him and get any sort of consistent effort out of him if he doesn't get his move. He's better off and we're better off without him. Can't see the value in standing firm on principle over 20M pounds when he's likely to cause more disruption by being here and unhappy, as we've seen.

Tell the club behind the scenes. Don't tell the cameras. It's disrespectful to the fans who expect him to represent them whilst he's contracted.

That was the original point several posts ago and you've still not countered it.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Tell the club. Don't tell the cameras. It's disrespectful to the fans who expect him to represent them whilst he's contracted.

Some fans. I for instance don't feel in any way disrespected. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[El-Manos]

On the contrary I'm optimistic that by getting rid of Pogba we can start building a proper football team instead of focusing on building a team around an inconsistent player to cover for his deficiencies. If we can manage this well, we can end up of this deal as winners.

Providing you have the right men in charge, yes. Which we don’t.

 

[El Zoido]

We’re in trouble. Anyone who thinks that losing Pogba is a good thing has their head in the sand.

Madrid need to rebuild, they’ve signed five players already and will sign more (probably Pogba). We’ve done feck all except sign a kid from Swansea. Could be losing De Gea and Lukaku as well.

Quite honestly I’m amazed United fans are so blasé about how things are going this summer. We are in free fall, I think we will be fighting for top 6 next season and may well miss out.

 

[Dante]

Some fans. I for instance don't feel in any way disrespected. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

You're applying personal feelings to the situation. Try zooming out a bit.

De Gea doesn't disrespect anyone. Pogba disrespects some people.

There's a difference in how they comport themselves.

 

[The Don]

The scousers just won the CL and almost won the PL. We finished 6th in the league over 30 points from the top. Our best player(s) wants out, while where keeping all the dross. We've only made one signing so far, a kid from the Championship. It's pretty much as fecked as this club could be, but still I've got a weird positive feeling about next season.

Liverpool have a team of players, that before they went there, were considered bang average. People laughed when they signed Salah, Mane, Firminho, VVD, Robertson etc. Saying they were overpaying for good but not great players.

 

[Sp00ks11]

The worrying thing is we are not likely to attract the top players, especially since our current top players are desperate to leave. You think the likes of Rabiot is going to want to come and play with Young, McT, Smalling, Jones and Matic in the Europa League?

 

[M Bison]

The Pogba interview makes my blood boil. Sooner he’s gone the better, he’s absolute poison.

Id rather get relegated playing with 11 lads who want to be here rather than have players flirting with other clubs.

For all the recent criticism of Young, Lingard and Rashford, I’d sooner have them in the team than the likes of Pogba, at least they actually want to play for the club.

 

[Fıstıkçı Şahap]

A greedy family of owners who don't give a shit about football & leeched 1bn £ out of the club
A fully incompetent accountant who thinks he's a DoF
An ex-legend manager who is out of his depth and given the job after a few good results
A squad that's full of players who don't give a shit as long as they get their pay or players who are simply not good enough

What can possibly go wrong eh?

We were fecked the moment we accept the mediocrity and make sentimental decisions TBH and that was long before now. The ones who refused the mediocrity and had ambition for more (Mourinho, Rooney in 2010 etc.) got alienated and hated. Accept it or not but we'd be better off now if we let Mourinho or any other competent manager to build his team. Instead our CEO undermined him, didn't back him in the market last year and failed to back him in Pogba quarrel. Now guess what? The majesty wants to leave after getting his manager sacked. At United, the manager always must be the one who controls all the power. Especially if you have no structure and couldn't appoint a DoF in years now. We're seriously fecked indeed.

 

[ottosec]

If we lose Pogba and DDG(our only top players) we might as well admit that we are a second rate club.

I see many people saying that we will reinvest and shit. Unfortunately, in real life, you can't sell your best players, buy 7 Argentinian regens and win 5 CL in a row.

In real life, we're not very attractive for the very top of players. We have no CL, we have a questionable manager, we have a poor squad. Remove Pogba and DDG from our squad and we're a midtable team, no better than the likes of Wolves or Everton.

What we need is to keep our best players and add some more. Not to replace them with championship youngsters or overpriced midtable players.

 

[harms]

I still doubt that we’re going to sell Pogba, unless Madrid offers us insane money. He’s not in a good negotiating position, considering his contract and the upcoming Euros.

De Gea is a huge worry, but selling Lukaku is not a big problem, if we’re to get a hefty sum for him. He hasn’t showed anything that can’t be replicated by another good striker. Still, I think that we’ll keep De Gea for another year, he’s more valuable for us than 50 mil (or whatever PSG is offering).

Next summer is going to be crucial — unless we’re getting a lucky De Gea-esque break with Pogba (like Madrid signing Eriksen and Pogba rethinking his position on “new challenges”) and the likes of Martial, Rashford and Fred truly step up.

 

[Beachryan]

Our attempt at building a team out of names has clearly not worked. It's an unpopular opinion, but on paper I struggle to blame Ed for thinking it would work. A few of the signings in particular looked like the right ones. Bailly - excellent in Europa league, young. Mhiktaryan - best creator in Europe outside the Messi/Ronnie world. Pogba - prodigal son returning, young, tearing up Serie A. Lukaku - best proven striker available in the prem. Even someone like Schneiderlein felt like the right fit.

All of those haven't worked out, obviously. And all the sounds are that the hierarchy understand this, and are trying something different. Which seems eminently sensible.

So we're going after young, less-proven, typically more 'british-y' types. Might as well give it a try.

That's why I don't really want some like Dybala - as talented as he is. I think a more together dressing room will bring us more success.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

You're applying personal feelings to the situation. Try zooming out a bit.

De Gea doesn't disrespect anyone. Pogba disrespects some people.

There's a difference in how they comport themselves.

That difference doesn’t automatically imply disrespect. Running a contract down and asking for obscene wages in order to get out of the club is no more respectful than coming out and saying you’re ready to move on.

 

[Dante]

That difference doesn’t automatically imply disrespect. Running a contract down and asking for obscene wages in order to get out of the club is no more respectful than coming out and saying you’re ready to move on.

You've admitted yourself that some people find public declarations to be disrespectful.

By default, and according to your own logic, Pogba is being more disrespectful by being vocal about it than if he kept schtum.

 

[fastwalker]

Let's just get as much money for him as we can. Let's talk him up to the skies, so that we can squeeze every last penny out of Juventus, Real Madrid or whoever else wants him. But while we are doing it let's not kid ourselves; a player like Pogba who has all the potential in the world and fails to live up to that potential is neither use nor ornament. I am tired of people talking about how 'good' or 'world class' Pogba is supposed to be. We have seen little of that whilst he has been in a United shirt. There are players at other clubs that don't even have half of Pogba's talent, but have been far more consistent and infinitely more committed.

Let Pogba go and pay his cab fare down the road. He is holding our club back.

 

[Fooza]

I'll wait till end of the July before I start panicking but honestly I won't hold my breath that the board will fix us this summer.

We just need to accept that. Next season will be another hard battle for top 4. That's just the way it was going to pan out.

 

[Jim Beam]

The worst part in all of this is that Ole, a guy who has no reason to be managing a top football club is apparently tasked with doing the rebuilding job. His cv shows that he is totally unqualified for this task yet he somehow been giving the opportunity to rebuild United. He must be the luckiest guy on earth.

Regardless, looking at his transfer strategy to aspire to be like Sir Alex and play the ‘United way’, at least we will have a good British core. Nothing can go wrong with having a British core. The lads will work hard, show fire thunder passion and all the good attributes that comes with having a british core. I m looking forward to Young yelling at longstaff that he should have passed the ball sideways to Jones, who will then set James of on the counter.

Roy Hodgson says hi

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

You've admitted yourself that some people find public declarations to be disrespectful.

By default, and according to your own logic, Pogba is being more disrespectful by being vocal about it than if he kept schtum.

Pointless to argue with you

 

[Jericholyte2]

Over reaction I would say, We all knew this is coming and it might do good to us in long run as we can buy 3 decent midfielders with that money.

Pogba is the best on his day but the problem is he doesnt have the other midfielders at UTD to cover his faults and his heart is already set on a transfer to Madrid, so better we accept that and move on.

Barella(50M)+Aouar(50)+Raboit(free)+Tielemans(40) = 4 midfielders with his 140£ fee we get from Madrid.

so I am not too worried, Once UTD start challenging tittles then we can automatically attract players like Pogba again.

As Lukaku, Pogba leaving, I would like to use this opportunity and put a cap on wage structure at our club.

We dont need 200+ a week players at this moment and that big wage gap within the team is creating friction so this is the perfect chance to get some sort of control on that, Hope Woody dont issue 350K contracts to Rashford, Maguire and then see situation getting out of control again.

This is the issue. How long it'll take to get back there. Which individual / combination those midfielders you've listed would give the creativity, workrate etc needed to break back into the top 4?

This will get worse before it gets better and I fear for the money that will be wasted as this trajectory continues.

 

[Dante]

I'll wait till end of the July before I start panicking but honestly I won't hold my breath that the board will fix us this summer.

We just need to accept that. Next season will be another hard battle for top 4. That's just the way it was going to pan out.

To be fair, a lot of people are complaining about Real having bought 5 players in the time that United have bought just one. But that logic can work the other way.

Real have bought 5 players in only 16 days.

In other words, it's possible to buy 5 players in a really short space of time. Given the Pogba funds and the correct impetus, anything is possible.

I wouldn't get too down in the dumps just yet. Things can change quickly. Bursts of activity are very possible and they can happen at any time.

 

[Fooza]

To be fair, a lot of people are complaining about Real having bought 5 players in the time that United have bought just one. But that logic can work the other way.

Real have bought 5 players in only 16 days.

In other words, it's possible to buy 5 players in a really short space of time. Given the Pogba funds and the correct impetus, anything is possible.

I wouldn't get too down in the dumps just yet. Things can change quickly. Bursts of activity are very possible and they can happen at any time.

I agree, we could sign a few players in a short amount of time.

Only problem with Real and United, They bought Hazard and we bought James. Not saying we won't buy quality in the future. However it's clear as day which club wants to get back to the top quickly.

I'm all for buying up and coming youth with potential, but this summer we ain't linked to any top class proven players to take us to compete with other big teams (in fact even if we were and competing against other top clubs, could we even compete with them). Can we even attract them anymore? That's another debate on its own anyways. And then there's the outgoings where it's all still up in the air.

But yeh, I won't have high expectations this summer, it'll be a long, tough season next year. Perhaps it'll have to be top 4 first, then a big summer after.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

This is the issue. How long it'll take to get back there. Which individual / combination those midfielders you've listed would give the creativity, workrate etc needed to break back into the top 4?

This will get worse before it gets better and I fear for the money that will be wasted as this trajectory continues.

The most interesting and scary question is how much worse does it get, because I too believe we are on the downward trend still.

 

[Jericholyte2]

The most interesting and scary question is how much worse does it get, because I too believe we are on the downward trend still.

I can only really compare this to Liverpool as seems to be the closest comparison. As much as I hate to say it I think this could be our 'Souness' era, and so a lot worse to come.

 

[Stobzilla]

I am about to say something stupid.

Sell them all and play the kids.

I honestly do not care where we finish as a result. The club needs to lay down a marker that we will not be used as a stepping stone, nor are we to be seen as a pit stop before taking on a "new challenge"

We want, need, players at the club who want to be here. Our kids have shown they have some class and talent. Let's see what we have them this and rebuild from the ground up.

Anything else will simply be papering over the cracks. The club needs to hit the reset button.