Good with an elaboration but the point still stands - his output is not great. Imagine us signing him for 80m and him being injured as much as Martial
Still only 31 and playing in the Turkish league , I feel old now
I never saw anything great in him. Great impact of course but he always seemed too slow with the ball. Even the goal against Villa came after being dispossessed
Be very surprised if he moves after only a year at the club but happy to be proved wrong
Since Sancho first season,I used a grading system to rate player.
| Skillset and technicality | physicality and athleticism | Mentality |
| League | .......... | ...................... | ................. |
| UCL/European comp. | ....... | ......... | ........ |
| National team | .......... | ............ | ............... |
Is Gakpo centre forward ?
Forlan was good enough, it just didn't happen for him at United. Might have put on the classiest performance by a player I've ever seen live, though I don't live in Europe so that list is basically just him, a young Di Maria, Valeron, Bale at Spurs and then Rooney, Evra, Rio, Giggs and Vidic in the 2010 Sunderland game. Anyways, Forlan was at Atletico and he was incredible, his left footed crosses and switches of play were as good as anyone's dominant foot. He'd walk into our current team up top, move the ball well and score from long range as he did regularly for Villareal and Atletico.
He joined in January 2022, so by next summer it'll have been 2 seasons effectively at Juventus. If they continue on their current trajectory, it's another flop. Wouldn't be surprised if he courts a move elsewhere.
Has to be our main focus next summer I imagine. Need to make sure we exceed expectations this season to have any hope of that. They might take Maguire as well if he gets into the WC team and shows his tournament form.
Macheda is never pacy, so is more like a Mata without his skill, or MkHit / Kagawa / VDB but stop learning at 16. He has probably some talent in front of goal, but never bother to learn the rest of the game.
Seconded. Also if those are elite numbers, then how would the numbers of Aguero or Haaland be classified as?
Agreed. Talk of Kane may seem ridiculous right now, but I don’t many others options out there that are anywhere close to his level. Yes of course we need to be mindful of cost and if took 100m plus 500k/week on a 5 year contract to bring in Harry we’d have to take a pass, but if we can manage the financial outlay we’re back to a football decision…and Harry Kane would be the most optimal addition to the squad that’s reasonably possible.
Come the summer he will have 12 months left on his contract, he will also have just turned 30 years old and is currently on a £200k/week wages.
What do you mean his output isn't great - he's scoring at a rate of a goal a game. What kind of output are you looking for? For me, he's by far the best option we could sign now.
Is nobody touting Kane worried about spending that much money on an injury prone player in his thirties? Personally think he's a modern PL great but wouldn't touch that transfer. I would much prefer sign a younger pre-prime player that will grow to peak with the team's peak rather than sign a "right now" player who will already be past it by the time we fire on all cylinders.
People describing Greenwood as generational or "Once in a generation" really annoys me. Which generation is that? Haaland, Mbappe, Vini Jr are all around MG's age and are *miles* better. Even within England, Saka and Foden are two forwards that are significantly better. Greenwood has talent but he was very one dimensional, struggled to beat players in one v ones, didn't have the box movement required to be considered a 9 and he made awful shot decisions (albeit, his shooting was his one really high level attribute).
Vinicius Jr is a great comparison, he was largely unimpressive until he exploded last season at 21. Most of us expected Mason to follow a similar trajectory, maybe not as dramatic, but certainly the same end result as he had the tools.
He is a generational talent mate. You don't see that hip often. What a waste.
That works for me. Harry does need to move on, probably staying in the PL so he can break the relevant individual scoring records. City is out of the question, surely Arsenal as well, probably Liverpool, probably Chelsea...so that leaves United, unless Newcastle put in a completely insane wage offer but I just can't see Harry going to Newcastle.
Can't be arsed with spending too much time defending the prick, but Mbappe is three years older than him, which is a massive difference (and all three of those guys are generational talents too). Saka is the same age and Greenwood comfortably outperformed him in their first two seasons at senior level - Vinicius Jr is a year older and until he exploded last season, again, Greenwood had been outperforming him (Vinicius pre-2021 was literally the poster child for "awful decisions")
This is rubbish. Greenwood is long gone, and the less said about him personally the better, but what he was doing in the first team for us at his age was remarkably good, especially when you consider the profile of the club and the difficulty it was in.
You're wrong. Not that it matters anymore.
I have to disagree here...Maybe one of the best I've ever seen at his age at using both feet. His one on one from the right side was lethal and I felt like his positioning was well above average (and would improve even more over time). Sad to say he showed all of the traits to be world class. Even in your post...Haaland is Haaland...hes incomparable to anyone at this point. Hes simply the best in the world IMHO. Mbappe and Vini Jr are better, but also play in much easier leagues for a CF. And he's 2 years younger than Mbappe...thats a fair difference at this point. I frankly don't agree that Foden and Saka are significantly better.
What are the alternatives right now though? Outside of Haaland and Mbappe, who are both unattainable, more or less every young striker represents a gamble in some shape or form.
It’s at a point where I’m beginning to think United fans like Saka more than Arsenal fans do.
Saka? Will you come off it
you can do as much pr 90 stats as you want. It wont matter if he doesnt play at least 30 games a season in the league - therefore the output isnt great if you dont play enough time. Its a Simple concept - dont buy another Martial.
Nah. I don't know about stupid words like generational but he was an incredible talent. Would have him over Foden and Saka anyday.
Yep. You can tell this isn’t his squad because the squad isn’t filled out with what he needs just yet. You can’t rest any of our starting 11 and not have to change how we play or change one cog in the machine
Of course he did. We wanted Arnautovic ffs!
And were strongly linked with Nunez and Sesko.
