Dabbing Mulumbu etc etc. Get a grip.
We will never win the league with Paul Pogba in the team
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There’s 11 players on a team. It’s absolute nonsense to say that we will never win the league because of one player.
Pogba will be fine under the right system. He might never live up to being at one point the world's most expensive player, but he's a top class, complete midfielder all the same.
Pogba will be fine under the right system. He might never live up to being at one point the world's most expensive player, but he's a top class, complete midfielder all the same.
Absolutely spot on. I can only remember one true excellent performance by Pogba as a CM in midfield 2 for France, it was versus Holland in the qualifiers.
this place after a loss is incredibly entertainingHe missed every other big game.
Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Spurs at home.
Arsenal was his only big game this season. Until yesterday.
Pogba is your best player.
The berating of certain players is just comical on here.
The berating of certain players is just comical on here.
In a 2 man midfield I agree. He isn't disciplined enough. In a 3 man midfield closer to the opponent's goal....He is world class
He wasn't though. He was poor positionally and got away with it due to the quality of his team mates. He was a weak link .. Pogba should not be the weak link of any side which shows how ill a fit he is for that position.
Disagree that yest was an anomaly I think a big performance vs a top team would be one
Yea but ask yourself why is Matic shocking recently? Whose the one who actually has to fill in the role of the midfielder whilst the other goes walkabout. Lack of depth on bench is also killing Matic. He needs to be rested and have a proper midfielder next to him or two.
We will never win the league with Pogba in the team and Jose as manager.
Yeah it’s annoying as hell that such an expensive and allegedly world class player isn’t more adaptable. He’s not suddenly going to be great in a midfield 2 by wishing hard enough though; and not just against decent opposition.
Pogba is what he is, and needs to be accommodated accordingly.
Yeah it’s annoying as hell that such an expensive and allegedly world class player isn’t more adaptable. He’s not suddenly going to be great in a midfield 2 by wishing hard enough though; and not just against decent opposition.
Pogba is what he is, and needs to be accommodated accordingly.
There's obviously mitigating factors for Matic's form, but I still don't see why he generally gets a free pass whereas Pogba gets slated. I agree that we need backup / rotation for Matic, that's an absolute must in the summer. We should have gone with a three man midfield last night, we didn't and Matic and Pogba had stinkers. While Pogba was shite, it's not like he made Matic constantly give the ball away in dangerous areas or look like a geriatric.
Fergie never sold him. Fergie wanted to keep him actually.
Part of the reason why Matic is doing bad is due to his passing as well. So you can't just blame Pogba for Matic's struggles.
Matic has been awful for a while now. Seems to be a protected species on here for some reason.
Tinfoil hat time:
Rightly or wrongly, the Caf seems to think itself and its views to be superior to those of match going fans. I’d hazard a guess that the latter would take a lot less issue with the OP than people on here have.
Rightly or wrongly, the Caf seems to think itself and its views to be superior to those of match going fans. I’d hazard a guess that the latter would take a lot less issue with the OP than people on here have.
Thing is Matic is geriatric and by having such a clueless midfielder like Pogba alongside him it completely tires him out and affects his ability to keep the ball as well. Pogba doesn't make himself available for a pass constantly which also affects his ability to keep the ball as well.. it's like Busquets passing isn't as good since Xavi retired because the easy pass out isn't there for him. So yes Pogba does actually affect Matic negatively whereas Matic does not negatively affect Pogba.
Matic needed resting months ago. We're going to overuse him like we did Carrick. He needs to be protected.
Can't agree @noodlehair. He makes a lot of mistakes and has errors in his game, mostly consisting of decision making in the final third. His problem last night was that he was overrun in the centre. Matic didn't have a great game either, and if you're going to spend the first 45mins with Pogba floating on the right, you need someone else compensating for it.
Pogba is world class. He isn't the problem.
Last night was one of those games. When you concede that early, sometimes you know the game is fecked. Then a Phil Jones OG. Massive momentum shifts based off of stupid mistakes, not Pogba's fault.
Pogba is world class. He isn't the problem.
Last night was one of those games. When you concede that early, sometimes you know the game is fecked. Then a Phil Jones OG. Massive momentum shifts based off of stupid mistakes, not Pogba's fault.
Matic was attrocious considering he's more of a specialist in a deeper position. His passing was shocking no question but what was even worse was that he was getting dribbled past by players like he wasn't even there. Alli jogged past him in the second half from the Spurs inside right position which could've resulted in a goal quite easily. In midfield he was completely invisible.
I thought Pogba's attitude was poor last night to be honest. Even when he's played out of position and asked to do legwork that isn't in his or the team's best interest I expect more running and less strolling.
Having said that how the OP can claim playing him further forward with less defensive duties and two deeper midfielders behind him wouldn't improve his output is strange, given we've seen it improve him in matches this season.
Having said that how the OP can claim playing him further forward with less defensive duties and two deeper midfielders behind him wouldn't improve his output is strange, given we've seen it improve him in matches this season.
This is classic meltdown caf nonsense. Pogba would slot in to any team in the world, he's that good. We're wasting his talents.
Sorry can’t agree with this OP.
You have to build teams around your best attacking players, not hobble them. Pogba needs to play further forward. He needs protection behind and quality attacking options ahead of him. Swap Lukaku for a more destructive midfielder and we have a good side with good options up front. Martial Rashford Lingard and Sanchez can all finish.
You have to build teams around your best attacking players, not hobble them. Pogba needs to play further forward. He needs protection behind and quality attacking options ahead of him. Swap Lukaku for a more destructive midfielder and we have a good side with good options up front. Martial Rashford Lingard and Sanchez can all finish.
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True. He still puts a lot of effort in though. Maybe he’d be better in a 3 as well as Pogba?
Pogba when played in a 3 is in the top 3 players in the league
The idea that he’s guaranteed to play well in a 3 is errant nonsense. He’s quite capable of playing badly in that formation as well. And did so on multiple occasions last season.
You are ridiculous.
If you’re desperate to rag on Matic have a look at his performance thread. Relentless criticism. You’ll love it. This thread is about Pogba, though, and if you’re genuinely confused about why fans might expect a lot more from him than they do from Matic well, god help you.
Nah, if you look at that thread you'll see I gave him plenty of credit where due. He's been poor for a-while now, though. Point is, everyone is ever so vocal about Pogba on a constant basis and compared to the shit Pogba gets, he gets a very easy ride. Then again, I don't hate Pogba like some seem to, so I can't get all emotional and upset after a poor showing last night. The anti-Pogba agenda from some is absolutely hilarious and so, so evident.
I actually like both of them and think both play far better with a third midfielder in there. Unfortunately our options in that department are fairly slim and Mourinho seems to prefer 4 up-top, as opposed to 3 in the middle.
Rom post, now this......you smoking the same crack as the other guy?
Someone promote this man
Its high time you stopped typing.
Indeed. I believe it’s called Whataboutism. Rooney defenders used it a lot.
At 24 years of age I guess he's at that point where he's still not quite there yet in terms of consistency. I think next season will be the year he takes over with a Seri or a Jorginho next to him controlling tempo.
I’m not accusing you of having an agenda against Matic. I’m just saying that he is getting heavily criticised for last night’s display. Deservedly so IMO. His form has been poor for most of the winter months. Miles below what we saw in August/September/October.
Pogba’s a player held to completely different standards for a reason, though. He’s supposed to be a world class superstar. With a transfer fee, image and wages to match. Stands to reason he’ll get talked about more often than Matic and criticised more harshly when he plays badly. That’ll just the way it is for a player with his profile. There’s nothing unfair or inconsistent about it.
That’s what I’m hoping too. That he’s a weird combination of being a teenage prodigy and a late developer. Which sounds bizarre but you can put almost all of his flaws down to a lack of maturity, despite the fact he’s been one of Europe’s best midfielders since a very young age.
I just had a quick gander at the Matic thread and I had posted nothing from September until December when I praised a performance of his. Then from the back end of December onwards, I have criticised him a-few times. I do feel that up until last night, a-lot of his poor performances were completely ignored. I also feel, there's a core group of anti-Pogba posters on here that pollute the place with drivel.
Both Matic and Pogba were terrible last night. I mean, not just poor, but utterly hopeless and both were mere spectators. I have zero issue with Pogba being criticised and I've actually stayed out of his performance thread after last night. What I don't like is the totally OTT, sensationalised threads about him such as this and the 'elephant in the room' horror-show of a thread.
I can completely accept why everyone expects more from Pogba than they do of Matic, but ffs, some of the drama about Pogba gets completely overdone on here. I actually just realised there's a similar thread for Lukaku after last night, seriously
. There's critique and there's blatant agenda driven bias.Ridiculous post in a ridiculous thread.
I totally disagree because you need to play a midfield with a fluid front 3. That's what France would do this world cup and you'd be see the difference.
You got it all wrong, it's Sanchez.
He's never won the EPL and the moment he joins our defense becomes Arsenal like and we lose. He's cursed.
He's never won the EPL and the moment he joins our defense becomes Arsenal like and we lose. He's cursed.
This is one of the most absurd thread titles I've ever seen here. Well done OP.
Pogba is one of the best CMs in the world, we just need to play him in a system that highlights his ability. Admittedly he should have tried harder defensively last night, and that's on him, but you don't buy a striker and moan that he's not a good goalkeeper. We knew his strengths and weaknesses before buying him, so why did we buy him to play him in a way he's not that good at?
Pogba is one of the best CMs in the world, we just need to play him in a system that highlights his ability. Admittedly he should have tried harder defensively last night, and that's on him, but you don't buy a striker and moan that he's not a good goalkeeper. We knew his strengths and weaknesses before buying him, so why did we buy him to play him in a way he's not that good at?
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