Sorry but you're wrong and it's not just me that thinks it.
Are you talking about the newbies on the trial, or newly-promoted newbies? No-one has to 'work' to get on the trial, the vast majority are just selected at random.
New promoted. Theres one in the Mkhitaryan thread at the moment posting utter tripe.
If he's just been promoted, he's had more scrutiny than newbies of old used to get. The system has changed for the better even in the last 3 years. Scouts and modmins make notes on their profiles, we dislike posts which aren't up to scratch in the newbies and there's a great deal of discussion about individual posters. A lot more people are involved in the whole process.
Doubt it. Back in my day you had to stay down for at least 2 years, 9000 posts and 5 werewolf games before anyone would even think about promoting you. These guys have it easy.
Thats fair enough and thanks for taking the time to reply with all that.
No problem, it's helpful when posters give their feedback, particularly people who've been here a lot of years.
I didn't know all the work you guys did down there. Hats off.No problem, it's helpful when posters give their feedback, particularly people who've been here a lot of years.
It's a labour of love.
I know you do f all though. That's all that matters!
Is similar work/scrutiny involved when choosing new scouts and modmins?
Maybe, but I'd just add that some of the newbies to get promoted under this trial have written pretty detailed posts, lots of them of better quality than you'll find in the mains, and quite a few of them have under 200 posts.
Yeah, that's fair. I probably don't look at their post count when it's a decent post so haven't noticed how it's balanced.
Yeah, and it's not to say that there aren't some trialists of a low quality (there are), but the really bad ones will be infracted out -- would actually help a lot if people would report the posts they think are of a very low quality, or break the rules.
What @Mciahel Goodman said is pretty much true to be honest, and also @Penna. It clearly depends on the scrutinisation of the newbies. Should a newbie create a post that is actually readable, is in context, with one paragraph leading to another, it makes for interesting reading, I know I prefer it that way. When you get your first like, you know that you have done something correct and the scouts/modmins have noted this for future reference. They will look for future posts every now and then just to see if the quality is the same and maybe by chance, you will get another one. In my case, I was extremely lucky, when I only joined on the 30th of October and the first time I had the right to post was Tuesday the 1st. I was promoted on the 7th so, it took 8 days and 81 posts. Mind you, I was advised to post more...
@VeevaVeeYou did very well, woodhouseparkred. We do spot good posters very quickly, because there's a lot of people looking over the threads, both in the newbies and the mains - then the poster gets a special mention in our secret dispatches.What @Mciahel Goodman said is pretty much true to be honest, and also @Penna. It clearly depends on the scrutinisation of the newbies. Should a newbie create a post that is actually readable, is in context, with one paragraph leading to another, it makes for interesting reading, I know I prefer it that way. When you get your first like, you know that you have done something correct and the scouts/modmins have noted this for future reference. They will look for future posts every now and then just to see if the quality is the same and maybe by chance, you will get another one. In my case, I was extremely lucky, when I only joined on the 30th of October and the first time I had the right to post was Tuesday the 1st. I was promoted on the 7th so, it took 8 days and 81 posts. Mind you, I was advised to post more...
This is the crux of the matter, yes there are more poor quality contributions from Newbies but there are also lots of very good contributions too.
In an ideal world, the perfect start to a newbie career would be to start off with a very good and informative post that people will enjoy reading. If the first 10 posts are in the newbie general, no matter how good they may be, it is essentially a football forum and one of the criteria to being promoted is that you need to have a relatively solid base in football and most certainly Manchester United. However, being Manchester United fans, we all support the team, but as human beings, opinions will vary to a degree where there may be some poster ridiculing another simply because of an opinion. It is the comeback to such ridiculing that decides how if a newbie poster will make it in the Mains or not. It is relatively easy to admit you are wrong, and admitting this will only help you get better and get you spotted because it means that you are showing an attitude of responsibility and going to the mains, you need to be responsible for your own words and actions. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the forum is working as a whole, and if I could advise a newbie on how to make it into the mains, then I would because it is simple if you stick to the rules, the regulations and a particular way of posting.You did very well, woodhouseparkred. We do spot good posters very quickly, because there's a lot of people looking over the threads, both in the newbies and the mains - then the poster gets a special mention in our secret dispatches.
if you don't see scouts and modmins posting, it doesn't mean they're not reading. Good posts rarely get missed under the new system.
Yeah, good post. The newbies that post something and handle criticism well are generally the best of the bunch, as some can make a very good post but then fall to pieces and revert to name calling as soon as someone disagrees.
Well, this could be where the actual problem lies with the forum in general. As far as the football forum is concerned, we are almost all supporters of Manchester United, give or take a few City, Liverpool and Chelsea fans. Some opposition fans, from the posts I have read have been quite good and give objective opinions even though it may go against the grain of other posters. Secondly, there may be an small element of Manchester United fans who are fans of certain players who will not hear a bad word said about them which can lead to certain people getting banned because of differences of opinion.
People who put effort in to get promoted rarely fail. Honestly, the dual system works on a few levels. It weeds out the spam, etc. But it also allows us to gauge how well new members can adhere to the rules before sending them up to the mains. Appropriate formatting and respectful debate are really the only two criteria that we look for. Some posters will get promoted faster if they have a feel for the rules, but also show that they could be assets to the mains with insightful football posts.
But I am, unfortunately a returnee who knew the likes of Hectic, Moses, jveezy, wibble and others besides. I was banned about two years ago, long before the new system was put in place. I just decided to change my game and conform to the norm with regards to posting messages. Even now, I post sometimes to have a laugh, but nothing really heavy and I have stayed away from threads that have got me into trouble in the past.
Well done. You made all those posts to prove a point. I wish I had your life. You must feel so accomplished. I'm jealous of your life.
Not at all. The birth of my first daughter and the birth of my second daughter are the most important events to have ever happened in my life @Snowjoe.
Fair enough, I suppose they're kind of superior to be fair.
What I quoted as far as werewolf are merely simple things, watching the births of my daughters (who are now 13 and 14 years old) and watching them grow up to be young adults changes peoples views on life.
Who was he before?
I'm sure there are plenty of entertaining threads?It's no reflection on how likes are dished out in the 'mains' for sure. It would be good to be able to access all 'liked' posts if only to read the highlights if you missed them in real time. Maybe that's a possibility @Damien ?
My experience of the newbies forum was basically that it was the 'general' that people decry the death of in the mains.I wish we could access the Newbies if not post there. Not a wish to be demoted/banned btw
Which is why it could be entertainng no? I do remember there being posters there with thousands of posts and thinking wow, surely they'd be promoted just for showing endurance lol. I always found it funny everytime they referred to the 'mains' or had topics like 'who's the most annoying poster in the mains?' Not sure why the newbies couldn't be accessible as read only...Ah well.
Would being able to access the 'liked' posts be a nice way to see the type of post that that is regarded as high quality. Too often posts are missed just by a users browsing habits, mainly when they log in, how they select a thread etc..... I know we could just follow someone like @Invictus but not everyone has such a high number of likes in a relatively short time. Anyway, I think it would be a good thing for the 'liked' high quality posts to get maximum exposure. Whaddaya think?
