Fire Mourinho and hire Simeone.
What should Chelsea do?
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I don't think firing Mourinho is the right way to go but could be viable in the short term. Players will likely be rejuvenated by a new manager like Ancelotti. But the best is just to keep Mourinho and sell the deadwood, rebuild in the window.
Absolutely love how all the Chelsea fans have fallen for Mourinho hook like and sinker.
They want all the players sold before they want Mourinho sacked. It's not like Mourinho lost the dressing room at any other clubs, is it?
They want all the players sold before they want Mourinho sacked. It's not like Mourinho lost the dressing room at any other clubs, is it?
They fell into the trap of not striking when the iron was hot and investing in the team when they were champions. It was the same mistake we made when we were last champions. At least players had a good reason not to join us as we were no longer managed by SAF, and Moyes was not a manager many players wanted to play for.
But with Mourinho at the helm I still think players will want to come to Chelsea, they need to make some investments in defence primarily and then some new talent in other areas. They should stick with Mourinho, he is a very good manager but for some reason hasn't managed to extract the best out of the players. The only way Mourinho will leave is if he does not want to be there anymore which by all his interviews seems unlikely.
But with Mourinho at the helm I still think players will want to come to Chelsea, they need to make some investments in defence primarily and then some new talent in other areas. They should stick with Mourinho, he is a very good manager but for some reason hasn't managed to extract the best out of the players. The only way Mourinho will leave is if he does not want to be there anymore which by all his interviews seems unlikely.
They should keep Jose, but ultimately I think he gets sacked and Carlo comes in.
They still have potential game winning players upfront. It is up to Mourinho's man management to get the best out of the players. Currently, it seems everyone is in a rut. Having said that they seem to buy players that the manager doesn't want in the first place like Salah , Cuadrado. Their pursuit of Stones should continue in January as he should be a long term replacement for Terry.
We need stability at the end of the day and keeping Mourinho will exemplify that. (Besides, I can't think of any decent manager available)Absolutely love how all the Chelsea fans have fallen for Mourinho hook like and sinker.
They want all the players sold before they want Mourinho sacked. It's not like Mourinho lost the dressing room at any other clubs, is it?
It's just baffling to everyone how they can suddenly turn to crap like this, the changes to their squad haven't been drastic at all since they were crowned champions so it is strange. To drop a few places is one thing but to be so far off this early in to the season that top four simply isn't going to happen is shocking. In all likelihood they will still finish in the top 8 when they sort themselves out but their fans have every reason to be as concerned as we all were when we were at this point in to Moyes first season.
To answer the op though, all they can do right now is to bite the bullet and stick with Mourinho. If Abramovich does get fed up though and sacks him then they should do what it takes to get Ancelotti back in to save their season somehow. Long term they should be looking to bring in a manager like Simeone but for now if they do replace him I can't see a better choice than Ancelotti. Mourinho badly needs to work out which players are simply not fitting in and giving it their all and drop them for some of their youngsters who will be looking to impress. There's no excuse for some of their players to be under performing to this degree.
I am enjoying every minute of their implosion though and would love it if they did somehow get relegated. Chelsea in the championship, yes please. I wonder if their fans would still sing that chant they like, "We are the Chelsea and we are the best, we are the Chelsea so f*ck all the rest."......maybe not so much.
To answer the op though, all they can do right now is to bite the bullet and stick with Mourinho. If Abramovich does get fed up though and sacks him then they should do what it takes to get Ancelotti back in to save their season somehow. Long term they should be looking to bring in a manager like Simeone but for now if they do replace him I can't see a better choice than Ancelotti. Mourinho badly needs to work out which players are simply not fitting in and giving it their all and drop them for some of their youngsters who will be looking to impress. There's no excuse for some of their players to be under performing to this degree.
I am enjoying every minute of their implosion though and would love it if they did somehow get relegated. Chelsea in the championship, yes please. I wonder if their fans would still sing that chant they like, "We are the Chelsea and we are the best, we are the Chelsea so f*ck all the rest."......maybe not so much.
Mourinho is all over the place this season, picking fights right, left and centre, and his team is suffering for it. He's the one who is supposed to show leadership in a difficult situation and he isn't doing it. How does it help your team when you as manager are banned from the stadium?
It's easier to change the manager than the team.
It's easier to change the manager than the team.
They actually played well last night. Won't be relegated. Seasons over for them though and they should be hoping they turn it around and finish as high as possible like Dortmund last season. But it's not really the results only, the whole drama surrounding them right now is silly. Costa the Cnut , Mourinho with his histrionics etc.
I hope they implode, finish in the bottom half, and the revenue loss forces Roman to pack up and leave. The player farm isn't working very well either; haven't sold anyone for exorbitant fees in a while and will probably take a loss on Cuadrado.
Do they have the capacity to spend 150m-200m for rebuild next summer without getting into trouble with FFP?
Do they have the capacity to spend 150m-200m for rebuild next summer without getting into trouble with FFP?
Give up and get relegated
Did that in 2003 when Abramovich took over. Re-formed as "Chelsea".
Ultimately the buck stops with the manager. If he lost the dressing room than he should be on the way out.
Sell Hazard to us.
Play 4-5-1 with three defensive midfielders every game to cover the weak defence. Use the pace of Hazard and Pedro to create chances on the break. Then in January sign a world class centre back for £50 + milion. Get rid of John Terry ASAP because he is obviously past it and has too much influence on other Chelsea players.
Sell all the players, rename the club & allow Jose 2 more seasons before sacking him.
Guy just isnt a long term manager.
Guy just isnt a long term manager.
A month ago I felt they should wait and see where they are at the end of the season. Now, I'm wavering on that. Tottenham in two weeks is massive.
Sell all the players that just dont care. I am seeing that trotted out a lot in here but that's just not how football works. Especially seeing as most of those players are Chelsea's best players. Selling someone like Hazard for example may look good in the short term, but those kind of players are difficult to replace, even when you have the money. This players are not playing well, but mourinho's treatment of some of them this season has been a key factor. The Matic saga was just horrible man management however you look at it. Its the the sign of deeply troubled dressing room.
Its easier to replace one man than a whole squad. This Chelsea can do much better, and its Chelsea's fans sentimentality and love for Mourinho that makes them want to keep him. He's done this before at his last season at a club, where he starts picking fights with everyone at the club. At Madrid he took on Valdano, Casillas, Pepe, Ramos and even Cristiano Ronaldo. Real Madrid got rid and got Ancelotti, Chelsea would be better off trying him instead.
Although I dont mind Mourinho staying, Chelsea still have many tough away trips this season, and this has the potential to get much worse. But for their sake, pay the money and move on.
Its easier to replace one man than a whole squad. This Chelsea can do much better, and its Chelsea's fans sentimentality and love for Mourinho that makes them want to keep him. He's done this before at his last season at a club, where he starts picking fights with everyone at the club. At Madrid he took on Valdano, Casillas, Pepe, Ramos and even Cristiano Ronaldo. Real Madrid got rid and got Ancelotti, Chelsea would be better off trying him instead.
Although I dont mind Mourinho staying, Chelsea still have many tough away trips this season, and this has the potential to get much worse. But for their sake, pay the money and move on.
He really isnt, the siege mentality can only work for so long, until he turns it on his very own players.
Most of these players arent deadwood though. They are just not playing well in the current circumstances. For whatever reason.
This season is a write off. Top 4 at least. Keep mourinho, revamp and culling in the summer, win the title in 3 years time.
You cant turn on your manager just because results are bad. That's not in any way productive. Besides, its time players were held more accountable for their performances, rather then the manager being the first to go.Absolutely love how all the Chelsea fans have fallen for Mourinho hook like and sinker.
They want all the players sold before they want Mourinho sacked. It's not like Mourinho lost the dressing room at any other clubs, is it?
Forget them. They've had 12 years or so of fun. Now they are back where they belong.
Absolutely agree with the bit in bold.
Guys, can we stop this "no investment" bullshit that is going around. They spent almost 65 million this summer. We spent 95 million but recouped about 70. Chelsea recouped 40 million. I guarantee we've slashed our wage bill by more as well. We spent the same net. It's just that they spent it appallingly.
Salah, Cuadrado too before then...Mourinho has spent badly since his return. People wanting to get rid of some of their best players and then sign new replacements are just asking for problems.
First we need to know what exactly is the problem. This is a team who won the league last season without going into second gear and this is the manager who has won at all.
1. The players are not a deadwood.
2. The manager is not bad or a bad fit.
Then the obvious reason would be that players are "not playing for the manager". But yesterday it looked like they are giving their all (except Fabregas) but it just didn't worked.
Important question is if Mourinho can get his act together. Yes as many said he is one of the best managers around but if he has lost it this season can go much worse than it went so far and there are no guaranties that he will not give more time to argue with the refs than trying to win the games.
If he can i would give to decide what is the best at the moment and money in the summer to sell the ones who are not good enough or not trying when the things get hard.
But i doubt he can so the obvious solution is to sack him, get a good interm manager and search for solution at the end of the season.
1. The players are not a deadwood.
2. The manager is not bad or a bad fit.
Then the obvious reason would be that players are "not playing for the manager". But yesterday it looked like they are giving their all (except Fabregas) but it just didn't worked.
Important question is if Mourinho can get his act together. Yes as many said he is one of the best managers around but if he has lost it this season can go much worse than it went so far and there are no guaranties that he will not give more time to argue with the refs than trying to win the games.
If he can i would give to decide what is the best at the moment and money in the summer to sell the ones who are not good enough or not trying when the things get hard.
But i doubt he can so the obvious solution is to sack him, get a good interm manager and search for solution at the end of the season.
If this was happening with us id want him sacked. Therefore he has to go. Should have gone when they lost to Liverpool tbh.
Yeah there's some weird narrative about LVG spending an absolute shed load and Mourinho being hamstrung by his tightfisted chairmen. He's spent 170 million in the last two years since LVG got here, and a lof of the players that people are saying should be replaced (Fabregas, Matic and Costa) have been signed by him. As a matter of fact his best player of the season (Willian) was signed by Abramovic ("Willian had been close to joining Tottenham after having a medical last Wednesday only for Chelsea's Russian owner Roman Abramovich to intervene".)
It's not because the results are bad it's because the atmosphere is poisonous and his egomaniasm is responsible for it. We've been on bad runs before immediately after a title win but the attitude of the players was never this poor - and that's because they were properly managed.
Always said that manager should be the top dog,where players need to know that they will go way before manager and not like AVG case (even i dont know for sure what really happened).
The camp is only toxic because results were bad. Results were bad long before we started getting all this shit from Mourinho. The players had long given up on winning the league and were happy with what they have.
Chelsea were building quite an exciting side before he returned. He's sold almost all those players for his efficient ones. Now they too are struggling. People just assume that Jose will simply turn it around, he's probably trying to as we speak, he's just failing badly.
I think they'll lose against Spurs next matchday if he's still manager. Maybe they should keep him after all.
Keep Mourinho and invest some money in the team. They bought feck all in the summer.
If bad results = toxic atmosphere then why did that never happen under Sir Alex? The bad results happened, that's a simple fact. The rest didn't follow presumably because he handled the situation and his players much better. People are too tied up in the myth of Mourinho to see the reality here.
Sorry but all the petty drama has made it much much worse than it would have been. If you can't see that, I am helpless.
Make an offering to Eva and end the curse of the jilted physio.
Chelsea fans absolutely love Mourinho. Everything about him, his mannerisms, his arrogance , his winning mentality. That is what most of them are holding too. If he leaves now, they know that he'll never return.
Trying to make them see that Mourinho might be the problem is an almost impossible task. They love him too much too see that. They'll blame everything including before Roman before they turn on him. I am sorry to say this but its not necessarily because they are being great fans, its because its him. Any other manager and they would have turned already.
Trying to make them see that Mourinho might be the problem is an almost impossible task. They love him too much too see that. They'll blame everything including before Roman before they turn on him. I am sorry to say this but its not necessarily because they are being great fans, its because its him. Any other manager and they would have turned already.
They have Norwich at home next matchday.