AndyJ1985
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Top 4 while playing great football and battering a few teams along the way. It's unrealistic and won't happen, but that's the only way I'd be happy to see him stay on
I think you're grossly underestimating how good Pochettino is.Its obvious to me that Poch has achieved 2 things: building a squad on a low budget and getting top 4. So for me, if Ole can build a squad (by bringing through youngsters) and get top 4, he would equal Poch's achievements. I would NOT need him to win a European Cup because that just sets the bar unrealistically high considering we're ground zero at the minute.
The no trophies thing is a concern of course.Let's see how he does, we'll know by the end of season. Open mind. But I would like him to be able to have the job on a full time basis.
Pochettino may be better, but who knows. What I do find strange is the obsession with Pochettino who has won precisely nothing as a manager.
Yes agreed, but their type of football seems dead in the past - anyway keeping an open mind and let's try to enjoy the rest of the season and see where we are. You never know Ole could finish ahead of Poch.The no trophies thing is a concern of course.
But it's worth remembering the last two managers we hired won countless trophies and had incredible CV's and both were failures.
I'm not disregarding him, I'm saying 5 months isn't a long enough time to assess Ole. If he does well he should be kept as part of the setup. However long term Poch should be the immediate target.I think Poch should be considered. But, I think that if Ole can overcome the odds now, and build a group of youngsters for the future, it would be enough for him to be in the conversation. If you disregard every manager because of an outlier like Di Matteo, then its no surprise we ended up with managers like LVG and Mourinho in the first place.
Ole won't stay on at United if he doesn't get offered the position on a permanent basis.You can't compare what Poch has been doing for years with 5 months of work. Chelsea made that mistake with Di Matteo.
Saying that I hope Ole can stay on at United in some capacity if he does well.
I think he's done a fantastic job of building a squad and making top 4 given his circumstances. But his failure to seriously challenge for any major title (other than that freak leicester season), means that he's not in the highest category of managers.I think you're grossly underestimating how good Pochettino is.
Being groomed to be the next permanent boss is tempting.Ole won't stay on at United if he doesn't get offered the position on a permanent basis.
The guy has ambition to manage and is current manager at Molde. Butt has the reserves and Carrick / McKenna are assistants.
There would be nothing here that would tempt him in my eyes.
Agreed.If he makes top 4 playing brilliant football and does well in the CL, then he could be in the running for a permanent job.
Except with it being United we wouldn’t pull trigger for 10 yearsThis could be Roberto di Matteo all over again. Wins the CL by fluke and then sacked the next season.
Fair enough. I don't think that Ole's necessarily going to be the next fergie. I just hope that people can keep an open mind about it.I'm not disregarding him, I'm saying 5 months isn't a long enough time to assess Ole. If he does well he should be kept as part of the setup. However long term Poch should be the immediate target.
My thoughts exactly.Pochettino may be better, but who knows. What I do find strange is the obsession with Pochettino who has won precisely nothing as a manager.
Woah there....Solkjaer has not won anything yet...let alone the CL.This could be Roberto di Matteo all over again. Wins the CL by fluke and then sacked the next season.
But as has been said, Van Gaal and Mourinho turned up with loads of trophies and both were ultimately terrible.My thoughts exactly.
When SAF arrived, he'd won a EU trophy with Aberdeen - fantastic achievement.
Moyes joined us. Like Poch, had not won anything and continued that trend with MUFC. And this is my worry with Poch - another manager who is expected to do something at MUFC, which he has never done in his life - ie. win trophies.
Nice tag line.Except with it being United we wouldn’t pull trigger for 10 years
Hiring based on winning alone has got us where? Its not the only criteria for hiring a manager and thats how we ended up with Jose. Poch ticks all the boxes as someone who can take the club forward. With the one question mark being can he take us over the line to a title.Let's see how he does, we'll know by the end of season. Open mind. But I would like him to be able to have the job on a full time basis.
Pochettino may be better, but who knows. What I do find strange is the obsession with Pochettino who has won precisely nothing as a manager.
Exactly what happened with di Matteo and that was my point. Could fluke our way to two mega trophies.Woah there....Solkjaer has not won anything yet...let alone the CL.
Let's wait and see what transpires and then assess in a few months.
It's the possible trade-off. Poch has years and consistency (of good work in general) on his side, an advantage that Solskjaer will never overcome in 5 months. Hence, for some people, a singular greater achievement would help cover that difference.Why would Ole have to win the European Cup to get the job, when Poch hasn't ever come close?
Agreed winning previously doesn't guarantee anything but hiring Jose hoping that we would play attacking football was obviously never going to happen and I said so beforehand.Hiring based on winning alone has got us where? Its not the only criteria for hiring a manager and thats how we ended up with Jose. Poch ticks all the boxes as someone who can take the club forward. With the one question mark being can he take us over the line to a title.
Will have to see what he does. Winning something or getting in to top 4 would help his case but I’m more interested in seeing what he does with the team and how they respond. If they start to look like they know what they are doing and are playing in a manner that suggests we are getting close to the potential of the squad and that they might even improve under his stewardship then why not. Sometimes it’s a lot more than just the trophies you win which ala Jose’s first season was trash apart from 2 trophies.Just wondering if there are any scenarios that would convince us fans that Ole should be given a long term contract in the summer?
If he makes top four?
Top three?
Wins the CL?
FA Cup?
Or should it be thank you but goodbye, no matter what happens?