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The near is getting problematic now. The goal they scored and the post they hit shows he is targeted there
But he actually statistically makes more mistakes than 90% of the goalkeepers in the league. It's not a matter of us just not counting the others.Dave is the paying the price of his own brilliance the past decade . He makes some mistakes now which most goalkeepers do without all the fuss .
For me he is still a top quality keeper I wouldn't blame him for the goal today that was totally down to Maguire for getting done so easily .
I don’t believe that.Mentally weak as any keeper I've ever seen.
I'm fed up with seeing him head down feeling sorry for himself, he's supposed to be one of the top keepers in world football yet he's shipping easy to save goals every other week.
I think the opposite question is more useful - why do we want to get rid of him? Is it because he made errors (who doesn't?) ? Opposition teams would love for us to get rid of DDG as they know how good he is.What does he excel at right now? Used to be the best shot-stopper in the world, but that's clearly not the case anymore. So what makes him a world class GK?
No, he doesn't.He needs to be flawless if United are to win CLs and EPLs.
Interesting, I did not know this. Care to share your source for this stat? (as I find it slightly surprising)But he actually statistically makes more mistakes than 90% of the goalkeepers in the league. It's not a matter of us just not counting the others.
Agreed. He doesn't need to be flawless, he needs to have an excellent season. He will make mistakes as they all do.No, he doesn't.
Schmeichel wasn't flawless - at all. He was - in fact - prone to serious feck-ups at times.
VDS wasn't flawless either - he was an old hand in what I would call his prime (which was his United years), and thus lacking in athleticism and sheer shot stopping ability.
But DDG needs to add something to his game. That's what we've been saying for several years now. And he hasn't done that. He's nearly thirty now.
Compared to Schmeichel and VDS (our two best keepers ever, most would agree), DDG simply is far less complete - he has far less strings to his bow.
And he needs to add those strings now. If he can't do that, he looks very much like a fantastic shot stopper who - just - lost his edge as he got older, and thus became a bit pointless. Not least as the highest paid member of the squad.
It's a genuine question. We can support him all we like, but he is 29 years old, not some young goalkeeper that has time to improve on his deficiencies.Dont question him, just support him please
Come on, Dave. Surely you don’t need stats to realise how rubbish you’ve been this season?Interesting, I did not know this. Care to share your source for this stat? (as I find it slightly surprising)
Ha. Nice.Come on, Dave. Surely you don’t need stats to realise how rubbish you’ve been this season?
They also hit the post from an almost exact position at the start of the second half, perhaps he always leaves a gap at his near post. Looked like he wasn't happy with himself after the first goal, Schmeichel would have been berating all the defence for that, even if it was his own fault. I do think he has lost a little confidence though.Ok today I’m not seeing what he did wrong apart from maybe the first goal, but I think that was a really good finish more than goalkeeping error. I though his distribution was quite good today he played a role in our build up play while Bournemouth were pressing.
Folks can spin it any which way they like... De Gea..is our biggest concern as a team going forward and competing for a league title now.Interesting, I did not know this. Care to share your source for this stat? (as I find it slightly surprising)
Wouldn’t be surprised if at least half of them were this season. I also wouldn’t be surprised if today’s performance added zero to that total, despite him playing like shit. Near post goal (and post) aside, his kicking game was diabolical.Ha. Nice.
I just checked official premier league stats. How many errors do you think that De Gea has made that has led to a goal since he arrived in 2011/2012?
Thirteen. In 9 years he has made 13 errors in the Premier League that has directly led to a goal.
Whatever else about him, calling him mentally weak is very wrong in my opinion. Came here as a youngster, fragile, made a number of mistakes, was torn apart by the press and us fans... Weathered that, and for a time was probably the best keeper in the world.Mentally weak as any keeper I've ever seen.
I'm fed up with seeing him head down feeling sorry for himself, he's supposed to be one of the top keepers in world football yet he's shipping easy to save goals every other week.
Same amount of errors leading to shots/goals in the last two seasons as the previous seven combined.Folks can spin it any which way they like... De Gea..is our biggest concern as a team going forward and competing for a league title now.
I hope he returns to form but we're now at the point in two seasons where he's made more errors leading to goals in two seasons than the rest of his United career combined.
What made him great was shot stopping and a split second loss in terms of reflexes when shots are pinged at you at 70mph makes a feck load of difference. It isn't coincidence either that his errors by an large are the same two types... Front post and long range efforts with poor body shape.
He is sitting far too pretty and comfortable for my liking in that he has zero competition for his spot and lets not try say Romero is able cause he likely isn't. He plays against inferior opposition in the cups and has never been a #1 and when he has its ended up poorly.
Best option is to take Henderson back if he's happy to seriously challenge De Gea to give up a serious wake up call.
There is a chance that he looked that way simply as a result of us being so bad. It allowed him to show his strengths in reflexes and one on one defending and hid his communication and command of area weaknesses. Plus even when he did make slight errors in regard, he covered it up with the savesI don’t believe that.
He was comfortably our best player through some real shit years, if he didn’t have it mentally he would have been shocking back then.
Not sure what’s happened though but he’s definitely dropped a level or 2.
Sorry, I was referring to your quote that he has statistically made more errors than 90% of the goalkeepers in the league. I cannot find this stat. Not sure if it is true.Folks can spin it any which way they like... De Gea..is our biggest concern as a team going forward and competing for a league title now.
I hope he returns to form but we're now at the point in two seasons where he's made more errors leading to goals in two seasons than the rest of his United career combined.
What made him great was shot stopping and a split second loss in terms of reflexes when shots are pinged at you at 70mph makes a feck load of difference. It isn't coincidence either that his errors by an large are the same two types... Front post and long range efforts with poor body shape.
He is sitting far too pretty and comfortable for my liking in that he has zero competition for his spot and lets not try say Romero is able cause he likely isn't. He plays against inferior opposition in the cups and has never been a #1 and when he has its ended up poorly.
Best option is to take Henderson back if he's happy to seriously challenge De Gea to give up a serious wake up call.
Agree. Which is why it should be possible for him to get back on form.His focus and mentality is significantly lower than it was before. Physically, he's fine. Reflexes are still there. But his focus is letting him down.
We aren't talking about the last 9 years we are talking about the last 18 months and de gea has directly been responsible for 9 goals which is higher than any keeper.Ha. Nice.
I just checked official premier league stats. How many errors do you think that De Gea has made that has led to a goal since he arrived in 2011/2012?
Thirteen. In 9 years he has made 13 errors in the Premier League that has directly led to a goal. That is just around 1 and a bit a year on average. In my view that is still within a fixable range.
I disagree. As a shot stopper his reflexes are the most important part of his skill set and as he gets older they are going to get slower. We are witnessing the beginning of his decline.He is still 29 so should be able to get back. Reflex-keepers have a shorter career, but they can still be great at this age (Casillas declined when he was 32-33 for example). It must be a matter of confidence.
I have no idea if he will come back or not. And while I don't think he has been bad, he has not been anywhere as good as at his peak.
Nailed it!Same amount of errors leading to shots/goals in the last two seasons as the previous seven combined.
Says it all really. His form has fallen off a cliff since WC 2018.
Would it count his shit keeping for the Spurs goal a few weeks ago as an error ?According to the premier league website, he’s joint second on errors leading to goals this season with 3.
Last season he made 4.
So that’s 7 errors leading to a goal over two seasons, that stat probably doesn’t include soft goalkeeping like the one today.
Hard to argue with the cold numbers. We really need him to get back near his best.According to the premier league website, he’s joint second on errors leading to goals this season with 3.
Last season he made 4.
So that’s 7 errors leading to a goal over two seasons, that stat probably doesn’t include soft goalkeeping like the one today.
well said.No, he doesn't.
Schmeichel wasn't flawless - at all. He was - in fact - prone to serious feck-ups at times.
VDS wasn't flawless either - he was an old hand in what I would call his prime (which was his United years), and thus lacking in athleticism and sheer shot stopping ability.
But DDG needs to add something to his game. That's what we've been saying for several years now. And he hasn't done that. He's nearly thirty now.
Compared to Schmeichel and VDS (our two best keepers ever, most would agree), DDG simply is far less complete - he has far less strings to his bow.
And he needs to add those strings now. If he can't do that, he looks very much like a fantastic shot stopper who - just - lost his edge as he got older, and thus became a bit pointless. Not least as the highest paid member of the squad.
No, that goal and todays wont be counted. But that goes for every GK. So versus them relatively, the numbers are correct. Absolutely looking, he made more mistakes than 3 this season. But they weren't 100% mistakes, like almost own goals and comically bad.Would it count his shit keeping for the Spurs goal a few weeks ago as an error ?
He's not just making really awful mistakes, it's stuff like today and Spurs too. Really soft weak keeping as you said.
Probably not no, if you include the times he’s just let soft goals in the stat would be worrying, I’m not sure where we could find a stat like that though.Would it count his shit keeping for the Spurs goal a few weeks ago as an error ?
He's not just making really awful mistakes, it's stuff like today and Spurs too. Really soft weak keeping as you said.
I can think of the late Crystal Palace winner too at the start of the season for another really poor piece of keeping from him that wouldn't necessarily go down as an "error".Probably not no, if you include the times he’s just let soft goals in the stat would be worrying, I’m not sure where we could find a stat like that though.
I don't disagree that when he gets older, the reflexes won't be as good. And considering that organising the defense has never been his strongest point, he will likely be a bad keeper in 5-7 years.I disagree. As a shot stopper his reflexes are the most important part of his skill set and as he gets older they are going to get slower. We are witnessing the beginning of his decline.
It was another members quote of 90%, not mine. Although based on his current form it easily could be true.Sorry, I was referring to your quote that he has statistically made more errors than 90% of the goalkeepers in the league. I cannot find this stat. Not sure if it is true.
I am aware that he has made more errors this year and last (3 and 4) compared to the previous years combined. As per my earlier post , he has made 13 in total over a 9 year period, which on average is about 1 and a bit a year. The devil is of course in the detail when it comes to stats. You could argue his errors now are worse because he has a better defence. On the contrary, you could say his previous no error/1 error seasons are amazing and should buy him more kudos as he had a shite defence.
Well, I hope you're right about it being down to focus and receoverable.I don't disagree that when he gets older, the reflexes won't be as good. And considering that organising the defense has never been his strongest point, he will likely be a bad keeper in 5-7 years.
I just think that the reflexes are still there. He still makes miraculous saves. Other similar keepers (like Casillas), dropped their performance sharply, but it was when they were 32-33 years old. De Gea should still have a few good years on him.
I believe his problems are mostly mental, and he is struggling to focus. He is still able to make good saves when focused.