VvD (if he fully recovers) and Marquinhos are the easy picks. The other ones are more subjective, really.
Who are the top 5 centre-backs in the world?
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Agreed. Those 2 are the standouts.
a) Van Djik
b) Dias
c) Maguire
d) Varane
e) boue
b) Dias
c) Maguire
d) Varane
e) boue
Not really, which should say a lot in fact
Varane
Ramos
Marquinhos
Militao
Van Dijk
Ramos
Marquinhos
Militao
Van Dijk
He was clearly the pivotal signing that helped you win the title, very weird you‘re trying to suggest otherwise.
Why Laporte who can't even get in his club or (french) national team?
And he was miedocre in the euros
I feel bad for saying it cause I am not a hípster who believes everyone older was better and I'm also a defender and believe defending is an underrated skill.
But honestly I watch soo many of the so called top defenders barely able to actually defend and rarely seem to take pride in it. The previous generation you'd see the defenders love it and alot of the time it was one on one not 3 defenders vs 1 attacker. Just seems defending as a skill is so low for this generation so they constantly need protection.
Or managers are too scared to let their defenders do their job.
Marquinhos is the player better suited to DM isn't he?
You wonder how much the Caf see of these players.
You wonder how much the Caf see of these players.
He plays for Spain
And before that he was crap and couldn’t get a game. He’s half decent but he’s been massively protected by the 3 at the back system and possession based tactics that Tuchel has used. Not a chance he’s anywhere near the top 5.
Is that why is the centre back captain of PSG and the vice-captain of Brazil, with whom he plays as a centre back? I wonder if you've seen him play mate.
He's filled that role for PSG at times, but they've got midfield problems stretching quite far back.
Konate, Matip and Gomez over Maguire???
Please tell me this is a joke.
Don't think anyone can argue VVD wasn't the #1 before he was injured.
I'm not sure what you're saying. That you disagree he's better suited to DM role?
Who knows anymore. It's VVD and four other chaps.
I appreciate all the responses, all civil I may add.
Gomez being a crock has nothing to do with whom is a better defender, Matip is a bigger crock if that is scientifically even possible. However when they play they are proper champions level material (PL / CL take your pick). If Gomez was fit he would have been England's number one choice with Maguire his number two partner. I'm sure even none of you would debate that.
Matip is the most frustrating. He comes closest to VvD for me but is made of wet biscuits.
These two aren't your ordinary non trophy deserving shmucks. I will admit I'm beginning to warm to Maguire though, for one of those nearly top players but probably not top enough to win anything as his pace and turning circle will get exposed time and again.Konate I just threw in there as I've hardly seen him play but he comes with a huge rep apparently.
Funny emoji’s from you who think ALL Liverpool’s centre halves are better than Maguire
He declared for them cause he couldn't get games for France ahead of Kimpembe
Wouldn’t even say there’s a clear top 5 right now. More like a top 10. And it’s all very subject to system and surrounding players as someone like Rudiger looked great towards the end of Tuchels season in a back 3 with protection, but was lost with Lampard and couldn’t get a game.
Varane, Ramos,VVD, Dias, Marquinhos,De Vrij, Gimenez, Maguire, Chiellini, Alaba seems like a decent list to me, with probably 5 of those being locks and the other 5 opinionated.
Varane, Ramos,VVD, Dias, Marquinhos,De Vrij, Gimenez, Maguire, Chiellini, Alaba seems like a decent list to me, with probably 5 of those being locks and the other 5 opinionated.
Now, now. I haven't mentioned Nat Phillips yet. That's probably a tie.Funny emoji’s from you who think ALL Liverpool’s centre halves are better than Maguire
i agree. Especially given the age of some of these players, and with one coming back off of an injury where there are no guarantees he would be the same player.
No? His team were but he wasn't.
Do you think Rudiger is one of the top 5 CBs in the world?
I do find it strange when people dismiss a defender's impact and ability because they are thriving in a back 3. As I said before, he's been our best defender and we've had the best defense in Europe since our switch to 3 at the back and yet he's only just 'half decent'. It's an incredibly naive thing to say.
Yes.
It’s not the point though? Him being critical in our title win has no bearing on or doesn’t equate him being a top 5 CB in the world. Same goes for Varane, titles are a team achievement.
Gomez would not be in the England team ahead of Stones or Maguire. Probably not ahead of Mings either. Matip is decent but no more than that.I appreciate all the responses, all civil I may add.
Gomez being a crock has nothing to do with whom is a better defender, Matip is a bigger crock if that is scientifically even possible. However when they play they are proper champions level material (PL / CL take your pick). If Gomez was fit he would have been England's number one choice with Maguire his number two partner. I'm sure even none of you would debate that.
Matip is the most frustrating. He comes closest to VvD for me but is made of wet biscuits.
Konate I just threw in there as I've hardly seen him play but he comes with a huge rep apparently.
Can't agree with that. You have to be consistently doing it. He may have had a good 5 months but how many years has he been at the club?
Mustafi
I think the whole purpose of this thread is to hype Varane since he seems to be United bound.
In case of Chiellini, Ramos, Silva I would agree, not the same players anymore. As far as Varane is concerned, the guy's still 28 and has been starting for one of the most successful periods any football club has ever experienced for the past 8 years. He was integral part of world cup winning French team too and is still at the peak of his abilities. Why wouldn't you factor that in while no other defender currently matches that?
I'd say the oppositeI think the whole purpose of this thread is to hype Varane since he seems to be United bound.
At the moment I think he's the best 5 in the world. If the thread title was 'who has been the top 5 best centre backs for the last 3 years' then he wouldnt be in it.
He could definitely be top 5 based on quality, I just don’t agree that he should be in because of those achievements. Might be you put Skriniar in his place for France and Real and they win the same thing for example.
Not at all. The last time there was a discussion about CB's, Varane was a dead certainty to be mentioned right next to the best CB's, so it was news to me that some people really don't seem to rate him.I think the whole purpose of this thread is to hype Varane since he seems to be United bound.
It may well be that he's had a sub-par season, or the high profile mistakes of late, but Varane's stock/regard dropping has come as a surprise and makes me curious who people have above him.
“Manchester Barge” is a good one to be fair
In my opinion Varane is a very good CB but he needs a strong partner. Ramos was that and Maguire might be able to provide that as well. Alaba wouldn’t which is why I was never convinced of that pairing.