Who replaces Ten Hag?

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Ole actually has one of the best records around against Pep. In fact for a while he was the only manager in any of the leagues who actually had a positive record against him (not counting managers who had only played him a couple of times).

Looking into current records, from managers who have faced Pep at least five times Conte and Klopp are the only managers with better records against him.

Oh I remember. If there was one thing Ole did well it's counter, I think he was part of the reason Pep got so obsessed with athleticism and PnP in recent years. He'd rock up trying to play the standard tiki taka and get done on the counter repeatedly. Tougher to do now with those 4 CB's and Rodri in front.

 

[Pscholes18]

Has to be De Zerbi. Genuinely think Liverpool want him. I'll say it: I want Manchester United to play like Brighton.

Most games they play with complete unknowns or players who are not starters but they still come out of it looking good. There, you can understand that results don't go their way because of the personnel or lack of talent, but they still play well beyond their perceived level.

Listened to Kevin Boateng talk about him. He's the right type of character for top level football. Very prickly when he needs to be but also warm with his players and able to motivate them. Ten Haag doesn't have that. He's more of a first team coach than a Premier League manager. Very different roles.
J.Nagelsman won't cut it in the Premier League. He is of the same ilk as Villas Boas.

Ornstein said Pool will not go for De Zerbi.

 

[DJ_21]

Ole actually has one of the best records around against Pep. In fact for a while he was the only manager in any of the leagues who actually had a positive record against him (not counting managers who had only played him a couple of times).

Looking into current records, from managers who have faced Pep at least five times Conte and Klopp are the only managers with better records against him.

Wasn’t ole the first manager to beat him 3 times in a season? When we did the double in the league and won 1-0 in the semis 2nd leg.

 

[DJ_21]

Has to be De Zerbi. Genuinely think Liverpool want him. I'll say it: I want Manchester United to play like Brighton.

Most games they play with complete unknowns or players who are not starters but they still come out of it looking good. There, you can understand that results don't go their way because of the personnel or lack of talent, but they still play well beyond their perceived level.

Listened to Kevin Boateng talk about him. He's the right type of character for top level football. Very prickly when he needs to be but also warm with his players and able to motivate them. Ten Haag doesn't have that. He's more of a first team coach than a Premier League manager. Very different roles.
J.Nagelsman won't cut it in the Premier League. He is of the same ilk as Villas Boas.

Doesn’t mean he’ll do it here though. ETH was very highly rated at Ajax and we all thought he’d bring the style with him but for whatever reason he didn’t.

 

[TheNewEra]

Links to this story? Don't remember it at all.

Sorry it was Spurs
https://www.goal.com/en/news/totten...had-language-difficulties/blt553241be8ff0ef84

 

[Zed 101]

You are obviously entitled to your opinion, and Ten Hag is far from being unmistaken, but considering

1. Martinez has been injured all season
2. Shaw and Malacia have been MIA
3. Casemiro has been injured all season
4. Mount has been injured for most of the season
5. We only have one, 20 year old kid as a striker, who also got injured
6. Rashford decided to not give half a feck
7. Bruno is not half of what he used to be

and many other more minor injuries, in a squad that wasn't great to begin with, I think the fact that we are 6th in the league and will likely be in FA Cup final, is a fecking miracle, for ANY manager.

Not to mention that - who are we hiring if we fire EtH? In the year when Liverpool, Byern, and Barcelona are all looking for managers, teams that are more derisable whether we like it or not.

Do we really think Southgate will make us great again?

It's a miracle we are 6th (but miles off 5th) because we should be fighting relegation we are that bad, and so what there have been injuries, name a team he has put out that hasn't included 9 or more current full internationals, we are beyond terrible and lucky to be in 6th, the football we play is atrocious, but yay lets all make excuses for the manager

 

[Pscholes18]

Rangnick is a much better manager than ETH. He proved it before and after his unfortunate stint at United.
He never had a real chance. Only 6 months contract, zero backing with transfers. Every manager is a lame duck in such setup.

If you are worried about playing credentials, Nagelsmann is the wrong type anyway. He never played professional football as he had to retire due to injury at very young age.

He never had a chance. The players gave feck all about him. He definitely should of stayed on as that advisory role he was suppose to take. Half the muppets would of been shipped off already.

 

[Plant0x84]

From the Athletic:

Ideally, those in the INEOS regime do not want to rip it up and start again. Ten Hag’s fingerprints have been felt throughout United for the past two seasons and the changes above him are regarded as enough for one summer. The cost of sacking Ten Hag — which would come with several millions of pounds in compensation — and hiring a replacement (if a club requires compensation) is a factor given the implications for profit and sustainability rules.

I’m glad to read this, and the subscriber comment section full of support for ten Hag. Nice to know I’m not the only ETH-in loon left and it’s just the Caf that has it in for him.

Several clubs in Europe view Ten Hag’s first season as an overachievement given what he inherited, and this campaign as under-par, translating to an overall good job.

This is where I’m at too. It hasn’t been good enough this season, but given what he’s done previously and where we were ten hag is doing a good job.

 

[Teja]

Please explain this one to me. So far he has failed at everything but Leipzig.

How do you mean? Bayern are admitting that they made a mistake in sacking him and want him back. Germany are doing fine so far despite all predictions of failure and the general doom and gloom while Flick was managing them.

 

[pocco]

From the Athletic:


I’m glad to read this, and the subscriber comment section full of support for ten Hag. Nice to know I’m not the only ETH-in loon left and it’s just the Caf that has it in for him.


This is where I’m at too. It hasn’t been good enough this season, but given what he’s done previously and where we were ten hag is doing a good job.

We've finished top 3, 3 times in the 5 seasons prior to Ten Hag. Yet him finishing 3rd is seen as some sort of miracle? Might as well get Jose back if doing well under the Glazers/Woodward is the barometer of success.

And if hes surviving because we can't afford to sack him, then he's in bigger trouble anyway as it looks like we'll fall further behind again next season if we can't spend.

Besides, I thought you'd said you thought he should be sacked now?

 

[dabronxolivera]

He plays gallingly awful football so would lose on the "United way" from the get go. Not saying that is right or wrong, but it is true that a lot of fans wouldn't accept his uber defensive approach.

He's playing ugly football and winning while currently we play ugly football and lose stupidly. I"ll take him 100% compared to eth. They are in a different level its not even funny

 

[Red in STL]

This whole “United way” stuff is a steaming pile of shite and the sooner it disappears the better.

But it isn't, it's the ethos and identity of the club, we're not the only club either, West Ham and Spurs fans value their tradition as well and I'm sure there are other clubs, without it United would just be another souless club of which there are plenty of examples, it's part of why United are special, just like the pride we take in having a youth product in our match day squads continuously since the 1930's

 

[Red in STL]

It's a big part of the multi million pound a year manager's job to motivate the players. If he can't do it then it yes it is another reason to sack him.

The next manager should be a big character that can inspire the players (the opposite of Ten Hag).

Whilst this true, if a player can't be motivated playing for United then they shouldn't be near the place

 

[Red in STL]

He never had a chance. The players gave feck all about him. He definitely should of stayed on as that advisory role he was suppose to take. Half the muppets would of been shipped off already.

And ETH wouldn't have been here either

 

[Man of Leisure]

From the Athletic:


I’m glad to read this, and the subscriber comment section full of support for ten Hag. Nice to know I’m not the only ETH-in loon left and it’s just the Caf that has it in for him.

I read that same article. Comments are obviously oppos taking the piss. Who else writes shit like "City fan coming in peace. I think getting rid would be a mistake" and gets 250 upvotes?

 

[GreatDane]

I read that same article. Comments are obviously oppos taking the piss. Who else writes shit like "City fan coming in peace. I think getting rid would be a mistake" and gets 250 upvotes?

Im convinced we have oppos in here defending Ten Hag, who else would want more of what we have seen this season.

 

[Lyng]

How do you mean? Bayern are admitting that they made a mistake in sacking him and want him back. Germany are doing fine so far despite all predictions of failure and the general doom and gloom while Flick was managing them.

Huh? I have not heard anything official about Bayern wanting him back. And Germany have been as bad under him as they where under Flick.

 

[Zed 101]

From the Athletic:


I’m glad to read this, and the subscriber comment section full of support for ten Hag. Nice to know I’m not the only ETH-in loon left and it’s just the Caf that has it in for him.


This is where I’m at too. It hasn’t been good enough this season, but given what he’s done previously and where we were ten hag is doing a good job.

How much does keeping ETH cost the club? because this season it will have been far in excess of the cost of sacking and replacing him.... those comments on the Athletic, maybe consider they are not from utd fans, honestly unless you are a pure WUM not really sure how anyone with eyes and even a basic understanding of football can understand why ETH still has a job

 

[B. Munich]

I don't agree that Rangnick has proven that he is better than ETH, but I do agree that the setup for him was very tough to succeed in.

Rangnick was pretty successful with every of his former clubs. He promoted Ulm to the Bundesliga, established Hoffenheim in Bundesliga, was the last one who won a trophy with Schalke and then built the Red Bull empire. He is doing very well with Austria too.
If only trophies and titles count, then he lags but he never coached one of the top teams. Why? Like Ferguson he wants and needs total control over the club to have greatest success. The elite clubs won't give that to a coach.

Rangnick isn't a quick fix though. To be successful he needs total control and a few transfer windows. If United had given him like a 2 1/2 contract, I'm pretty sure you would be in a much better position today with a clear style of play and very different squad. Similar to what Arteta did at Arsenal.
However, this only works, if the manager had the full backing off the club.

Nagelsman wouldn't be my first choice, but I do think rightly or wrongly that he has a much better reputation among players than Rangnick did.

Not sure were you got that feeling from. I don't remember Rangnick having any (major) issues or fallouts with players at his former clubs.
Yes he can be ruthless, if players are lazy and don't give their all. He will just replace them like Arteta did at Arsenal. But that's exactly what a club like United needed in the position you were in.

 

[SirBillNic]

From the Athletic:


I’m glad to read this, and the subscriber comment section full of support for ten Hag. Nice to know I’m not the only ETH-in loon left and it’s just the Caf that has it in for him.


This is where I’m at too. It hasn’t been good enough this season, but given what he’s done previously and where we were ten hag is doing a good job.

From an outsider's perspective I think the table flattered the job he did last season. A few teams below you still had better goal difference. Maybe that means he's good at getting results, but still if the goal is to win the league then I don't think this is the guy who will do it. First of all I don't think he has the personality to get players on board with what he wants to do. Second, he's signed players he worked with before who really haven't been good enough. To me that suggests that he can't evaluate what kind of players can make the step up to this league from leagues like the Eredivisie.

Imo, you need someone like De Zerbi. He knows exactly what he wants, plays attacking football, improves players, and has the gravitas needed to manage a big club. If you listen to what his former and current players say, he sounds like a manager who will do well making the step up. His stock has fallen a bit because Brighton have dropped off a bit this season, but if Brighton weren't a selling club and were actually buying players I think there's no doubt they'd be much higher up the table. Even selling MacAllister and Caicedo and having quite a few injuries they still aren't doing that badly.

 

[Lemon Moon]

Inzaghi is doing well with Inter

 

[Bondi77]

Anyone that places money on Southgate being our next manager needs their head looked at.

 

[stefan92]

Huh? I have not heard anything official about Bayern wanting him back. And Germany have been as bad under him as they where under Flick.

Germany was bad last year, but there was a massively improved mood after the last international break when Nagelsmann completely changed how the team looks. It's no longer build around a Bayern/Dortmund core and while that's a big call he made, it looks like the right one to improve the team.

Regarding Bayern wanting him back: yes, that's just rumours for now. Fact is they sacked Kahn and Salihamidzic who fired him, already at the end of last season because their plan with Tuchel didn't really work out.

 

[soapythecat]

ETH is still only in a job because of finances. He’s so painfully out of his depth and inadequate at this level it hurts. The failure and decline of United towards mid table mediocrity is all on INEOS and ETH now.

 

[UpWithRivers]

The squad make up is on Ten Hag as much as it is anyone else. We've made 9 permanent signings since he's been here, 10 if you include Jonny Evans.

Casemiro has only missed 2 months of the season. We had Amrabat in reserve, a player who Ten Hag pushed hard for in the summer. Despite this, Ten Hag hasn't given us any kind of structure or balance in midfield.

Mount spent the majority of last season injured for Chelsea and plays the same position as Bruno Fernandes, yet he still decided to make him the centrepiece of his summer transfer activity. That one is very much on Ten Hag.

There are one or two aspects he has been unlucky with. The left back situation is one. The situation with Martinez is another, although I don't think Ten Hag has helped matters by rushing him back. In an ideal world he might've had an extra striker. None of these are good enough reasons to justify the season we've had, however.

The absence of any kind of system or structure are unacceptable under these circumstances. Plenty of other teams in the division have had to cope with injuries, including teams like Spurs and Liverpool above us in the table. Part of the manager's remit is finding solutions and his haven't been good enough. It's not as though we've been close to producing anything even slightly reminiscent of good football, either. This season has been an unmitigated failure.

To an extent it kind of doesn't matter who we hire when we know the current bloke in charge isn't up to it. It's obvious the options extend far beyond Gareth Southgate though, we shouldn't let a couple of unverified media reports scare us away from making a decision that has to be made.

To be fair I don't think he could have foreseen or be blamed that our 2 best players last year in Case and Rashford just becoming absolute dog sht overnight. Plus we lost Eriksen to injury and dog shittedness. Plus Bruno has gone to sht. Thats all our best players last year gone - Shaw, Martinez, Case, Eriksen, Rashford, Bruno. Just one of these players on fire or at least very good form would make a world of difference.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

ETH is still only in a job because of finances. He’s so painfully out of his depth and inadequate at this level it hurts. The failure and decline of United towards mid table mediocrity is all on INEOS and ETH now.

Saying it’s on INEOS now is ridiculous

The best way they can operate is by giving the power over football and managerial decisions to football people. That’s going to Berrada and Ashworth who aren’t even through the door yet

You can counter that you don’t need to be a football brain to see ETH is underachieving but it’s still best to leave these decisions to the ones hired to make them. And I’m sure if the season peters out the way the last week has, they probably will sack him in June anyway

 

[soapythecat]

Saying it’s on INEOS now is ridiculous

The best way they can operate is by giving the power over football and managerial decisions to football people. That’s going to Berrada and Ashworth who aren’t even through the door yet

You can counter that you don’t need to be a football brain to see ETH is underachieving but it’s still best to leave these decisions to the ones hired to make them. And I’m sure if the season peters out the way the last week has, they probably will sack him in June anyway

If they don’t make the change before pre season, of course it’s on them. They must be well aware of how poor he is now, so to continue if the hope all the football since the cup win has been beyond his fault then it’s 100% on them because he’s not going to walk away.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

If they don’t make the change before pre season, of course it’s on them. They must be well aware of how poor he is now, so to continue if the hope all the football since the cup win has been beyond his fault then it’s 100% on them because he’s not going to walk away.

It’ll be on them more if they go into next season and the football is still shite.

Although even then I counter that we won’t see the full fruits of their structure until the 2025/26 season, as that will be the first season where they’ll have had everyone in place ahead of the summer window

However, saying it’s on them right now is silly. They didn’t pick Ten Hag and no decision they could have made up until now would have made any drastic difference

 

[soapythecat]

It’ll be on them more if they go into next season and the football is still shite.

Although even then I counter that we won’t see the full fruits of their structure until the 2025/26 season, as that will be the first season where they’ll have had everyone in place ahead of the summer window

However, saying it’s on them right now is silly. They didn’t pick Ten Hag and no decision they could have made up until now would have made any drastic difference

I fully appreciate that the new structure won’t have an affect for a few seasons - be nice to improve next season though - and for that to happen we need to change the manager, which is their call right now. Failure to address the one position that can stop 30 attempts at goal a game, improve squad harmony, change set up and tactics is ETHs position.
Ineos must make a change or to head into next season, like we did this season, then we will be exactly the same place. The mangers position is on them right now IMO.

 

[Lyng]

Germany was bad last year, but there was a massively improved mood after the last international break when Nagelsmann completely changed how the team looks. It's no longer build around a Bayern/Dortmund core and while that's a big call he made, it looks like the right one to improve the team.

Regarding Bayern wanting him back: yes, that's just rumours for now. Fact is they sacked Kahn and Salihamidzic who fired him, already at the end of last season because their plan with Tuchel didn't really work out.

Interesting. I have massive worries about him regarding man management. And the whole skiing trip thing, is that just the press making up things or?

 

[Plant0x84]

First of all I don't think he has the personality to get players on board with what he wants to do.

I don’t agree and I’m not sure why this narrative is building. He has players like Martinez, Onana and Antony who are on record stating they would run through walls for tenHag. Bruno is also fully onboard with the manager.
It’s no surprise that some of these players don’t like/respect Erik because they haven’t liked/respected any manager since Sir Alex. They need rooting out of the club because they are the ones who are creating a toxic culture in the dressing room.

 

[Plant0x84]

Besides, I thought you'd said you thought he should be sacked now?

Nah, I’ve never said that. I’ve admitted he isn’t blameless and he has questions to answer, but generally I think he should see out his contract minimum.

 

[WouterWeghorst]

I really don't see them sacking the manager this summer. There's no structure to guide the manager, who's been just partly on something that shouldn't even be his job (signings). Also it'd cost a lot of money to sack him and hire another manager. Thirdly: who'd be available who would do a better job with this team? People constantly talk about sacking managers and getting a new one, who they'd like sacked in a year or 2 too.

We should build a broad base of quality in the backstaff and in the squad. This should currently be above results straight away. United fans, much like Barca fans, don't seem to tolerate a bridging period from one succes to the other. The result is both clubs get into a financial pickle, the real succes hasn't been there (as compared to before) and new managers are only building for short term succes because of this sickening pressure from fans who think a new manager can turn this mess around in one or two seasons.

To round off: Fergie would've been sacked long before he was successful at this club if it was for most fans. To build something, you need to go through mess first.

 

[pocco]

Nah, I’ve never said that. I’ve admitted he isn’t blameless and he has questions to answer, but generally I think he should see out his contract minimum.

Must have been another poster who has finally given up.

 

[Plant0x84]

Must have been another poster who has finally given up.

@VP89 ?

 

[DJ_21]

I don’t agree and I’m not sure why this narrative is building. He has players like Martinez, Onana and Antony who are on record stating they would run through walls for tenHag. Bruno is also fully onboard with the manager.
It’s no surprise that some of these players don’t like/respect Erik because they haven’t liked/respected any manager since Sir Alex. They need rooting out of the club because they are the ones who are creating a toxic culture in the dressing room.

None of them players was here when Moyes took over. And only Rashford, Shaw and Martial are the only 3 that have been here since LVG. Our previous managers have all stated the same problem though, LVG called the club out, Mourinho did, Rangnick did and even Ole has.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I fully appreciate that the new structure won’t have an affect for a few seasons - be nice to improve next season though - and for that to happen we need to change the manager, which is their call right now. Failure to address the one position that can stop 30 attempts at goal a game, improve squad harmony, change set up and tactics is ETHs position.
Ineos must make a change or to head into next season, like we did this season, then we will be exactly the same place. The mangers position is on them right now IMO.

I still don’t think it is on them. They’ve been pretty sensible in saying that they aren’t football people and they would leave those things to football people.

I wouldn’t have wanted Glazers making those calls and I don’t want Ineos making them either. Berrada will already have an idea, let him come in and let him make the decision.

My gut feeling is that they have a manager in mind who is at another team, who they know they can get in June should they pull the trigger. If we take Enrique for example, already at a big club and would only leave for United. Or an international manager who’d only leave after the Euros anyway

 

[Max_United]

To be fair I don't think he could have foreseen or be blamed that our 2 best players last year in Case and Rashford just becoming absolute dog sht overnight. Plus we lost Eriksen to injury and dog shittedness. Plus Bruno has gone to sht. Thats all our best players last year gone - Shaw, Martinez, Case, Eriksen, Rashford, Bruno. Just one of these players on fire or at least very good form would make a world of difference.

Yet when we got results largely due to good form of some players (especially the freak Rashford season last year), his defenders gave him full credit for "3rd and a cup". You cannot have it both ways. Had Rashford had an average season, we would have finished something like 6th and trophy less last season.

No matter which way you judge him (which share of credit/criticism he gets for players form/transfers/tactics etc), he has not been good enough - unless you cherry pick and give him credit for good and absolve of the blame for bad. Or say that he is not responsible for most of the things at all and has to have fully motivated overperforming world class people in all other positions in the club to succeed - in which case for what exactly he gets his 9m annual salary?

And on the topics of other managers (potential replacements of EtH) - I find it interesting how many here apply different standards to them vs EtH. When they underachieve it is suddenly largely on them: loss of key players, injuries, noy signing preferred targets, lack of funds, bad structure aren't excuses. It is only EtH who gets to have every possible excuse under the sun.

 

[soapythecat]

I still don’t think it is on them. They’ve been pretty sensible in saying that they aren’t football people and they would leave those things to football people.

I wouldn’t have wanted Glazers making those calls and I don’t want Ineos making them either. Berrada will already have an idea, let him come in and let him make the decision.

My gut feeling is that they have a manager in mind who is at another team, who they know they can get in June should they pull the trigger. If we take Enrique for example, already at a big club and would only leave for United. Or an international manager who’d only leave after the Euros anyway

I’m pretty confident they have a plan. I’m pretty confident about them too - they seem to be making all the right noises and the structure is taking shape and we’ve been crying out for it for as long as I can remember.
I hope they make the call soon. If it’s ETH then surely they have to back him with a contract - not sure I’d be happy with that. If they appoint new then I hope they make a calculated but bold decision, rather than an easy pick (Anchelotti, Poch types of managers).

 

[djembatheking]

How long has Ten Hag got left on his contract?