I quoted the specific point I was replying to, I’m not trying to change what you’re saying at all.
Well I guess that is based on how much belief you put in a subjective metrics as shown above.... that Tuchel is ranked as top 10 and ETH 7 tells me all I need to know about how accurate and useful this is based on the current season (not at all BTW) this is clearly based heavily on outcomes last season.
And then we went for a club legend which didn’t work. It did for a while because the place was so toxic after Mourinho and he brought smiles back, am happy squad is a winning one. Then we went for everyone’s favourite option as caretaker which was Rangnick and he couldn’t work his pressing magic to the awful squad. And then we went for the manager everyone wanted for his time at Ajax… this isn’t working either. How many times are we going to go through managers? Arsenal stood by Arteta after he finished 8th twice in a row. Now there being rewarded with good football and challenging. We need to get rid of half of this squad before we start going through more managers.
The bit you cut off changed the whole thing. And you know that. Let’s not pretend. It’s also not a monumental waste of time to at least check on the best managers before moving on to less talented alternatives. Exactly what you’d want the club to be doing surely. Or you’d rather they don’t even try a 10 minute call to the agent just because they assume they can’t get them?
A balanced view over his whole career he's arguably top 10 so its not that far offHold on, ESPN had ETH at the 7th best manager in the world?
See no evil, hear no evil
Before Arteta's first full season Arsenal had a run of finishing 5th, 6th, 5th and 8th. Then he finished 8th and 5th.
Across the 3 lists I looked at briefly Emery got a 9th, a 7th and a DNF
This place is weird.
Yeah, that's why it's a bit baffling, as ETH only had one season that would put him in "the best in the world" discussion.
Fair point. I get your meant to improve every season but I think it’s safe to say last year we overachieved and that was probably partly down to Liverpool having an off season, Villa and spurs weren’t as strong. So right now id say we’re probably in the right position. Not where we’d like to be obviously but there’s a lot of work on and off the field needed to be done to get back to the top.
Not true but do carry on
Me too, until about October when I’d be desperate to get Hag back in again.
I understand your reasoning, however Southgate has done nothing to suggest that he can manage at club level, I am not saying he wouldn't have any success, but there is no real current information to base an assessment on, international management is incredibly different to club, especially a massive club, with huge expectations in the toughest league
It’s not assumption, we can’t get them. That much is obvious.
Million to one chance for either one. AdmittedIt’s not assumption, we can’t get them. That much is obvious.
Klopp has stated he wants a break. He has also stated he won’t manage another English team because of the affection and relationship he has for/with the scousers and their club. Fair enough.
Pep was talking about extending at City back in January. He has previously said he wants to manage a national team before he retires. He isn’t going to jump out of City’s well oiled winning machine, working with his Barca mates to join our 6th rebuild in 11 years. But hey, silver lining - if we get Southgate maybe Pep would like a shot at the England job?!
The time for these two was before Liverpool/City when we had a chance at both of them and we blew it.
Finally, a reasonable tone! I respect that opinion, and I agree with the aspiration but time will tell whether INEOS are truly appointing best in class and if the links are just idle tabloid headlines. I too hope that is the case, as they are seriously underwhelming.
I don't think we did really, 3rd to 5th is round about where this group of players should be finishing with the amount of resources spent on this squad.
This is a very sensible post. I agree entirely. I get why some won’t, given a historical context, but realistically off the back of the Ole/Ralf debacle and after 10 years of incompetent mismanagement of our football dept, it was absolutely a huge overachievement last year. I think we keep falling back to 6th because that’s what we are. That’s our current level. We are no longer dining at the top tables for trophies, players or managers. That is the challenge that INEOS faces.
Not winning a single away game against top half opposition was not an overachievement, neither was getting knocked out of Europa League by Sevilla after being 2-0 also not an overachievement
Yeah, not sure what was his other elite season apart from the 18/19 when he got the domestic double in the Netherlands and reached the CL semi.
Completely subjective and unprovable either way, may opinion top 4 high probability, but either which way it is completely irrelevant to ETH this season
It is not just where we are but how we are, the latter is unacceptable
Based on what?
Is there a trophy for winning individual matches against certain opponents? No, didn’t think so. This is a stupid comment given it’s clearly an overview of the season as a whole that is being discussed.
Because he isn't better
I mean, we could, but I doubt he would be interested in all honesty. When Spalletti isn't on the rollercoaster of football management, he can be found on his very own farm in the Tuscany countryside. There, he makes his own olive oil and wine, and houses a plethora of farm animals, including hens, ducks and horses. Not sure Manchester or Cheshire would be his scene! Can’t say I blame him either. A farm in Tuscany sounds awesome!
But finishing 3rd was. And let’s not pretend, we only won the carabao because we had and easy route. We should have beat Sevilla fairly easy but did you see all the goals in the 2nd leg we conceded. Think they was all massive mistakes.
The "over achievement" thing is said by a few including ETH and pundits, but who were we meant to finish behind? Liverpool yes but otherwise who, so 4th was realistic and the over achievement was in terms of time line rather than the capacity of squad alone, which has since been improved.
This year we've also overachieved. We should be finishing 12th - 15th.
18 pts at stake for most teams, there is stil time
Yeah I believe most underlying metrics had us around 5th or so all things considered last year. Those same metrics believe we are bottom half of the table level this season. Either way it's a monstrous drop off.
Almost got me
