Silva plays behind Aguero and Sterling on the wing, Chelsea cold better play Oscar/Fabregas as CAM and Xhaka/Wilshere/Ramsey are all better centre midfielders than Rooney, even AOC, which team would weaken their team? Oh wait..
Who wants Rooney gone and who wants him to stay
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Ok surely you are just a wum, surely
Holding on to Rooney is like...
- A 29 year old kid still tryin to live with his parents.
- Re-marrying your ex-wife, not because you love her, but because you can't get anyone else.
- Forgiving your girlfriend/boyfriend fror cheating on you with your best friend, not once or twice, but three times.
There is at least 5 players i would sell before Rooney.
So i voted Stay,think he can have a good season under Mourinho and im looking forward to it.
So i voted Stay,think he can have a good season under Mourinho and im looking forward to it.
I don't think it's like any of those things.
Just watch. If Rooney stays he will need to be benched, and then the media and all his football friends will cry out about the leadership being gone, the dressing room being divided, and Mourinho being an evil destroyer of MUFC.
It's all about taking the right decisions when it's necessary to do so.
I'd much rather he went. We're linked with all these brilliant players like Pogba, Matuidi, Kroos, Fabregas, etc to link up with Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Martial, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger. If we manage to even get one of those 4; on paper, that team looks world class.
Rooney being stuck in the middle of it just unbalances everything. It's like he's not a striker and he's not a midfielder but he has to play every game cause of his previous reputation? If you ask me, he's past it. And I'm glad Mourinho won't be playing him as a CM this season cause he's simply not a CM. Never has been, never will be. We shipped out the likes of RVP and Falcao because they were old and in Falcao's case, not scoring enough. Well, Rooney had an entire season up top on his own last year and he failed to score in 12 consecutive games from August-January. So why is he not shipped out aswell?
Look, Rooney has been a great servant to us over the years. You can't argue with the stats, he has over 240 goals for us. But look at the amount of games he has played. Rarely ever, is he taken off or benched. When you compare him to the likes of Hernandez who managed to score 60 goals here while being a benchwarmer mostly, you can't help but think to yourself "Well, if Chicharito was here playing every game for 12 years straight, maybe he would have a better record" and it's true.
My ideal starting 11 next season would be
De Gea,
Darmian, Smalling, Bailly, Shaw,
Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger,
Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Martial
Ibrahimovic.
Make Bastian the captain.
Rooney being stuck in the middle of it just unbalances everything. It's like he's not a striker and he's not a midfielder but he has to play every game cause of his previous reputation? If you ask me, he's past it. And I'm glad Mourinho won't be playing him as a CM this season cause he's simply not a CM. Never has been, never will be. We shipped out the likes of RVP and Falcao because they were old and in Falcao's case, not scoring enough. Well, Rooney had an entire season up top on his own last year and he failed to score in 12 consecutive games from August-January. So why is he not shipped out aswell?
Look, Rooney has been a great servant to us over the years. You can't argue with the stats, he has over 240 goals for us. But look at the amount of games he has played. Rarely ever, is he taken off or benched. When you compare him to the likes of Hernandez who managed to score 60 goals here while being a benchwarmer mostly, you can't help but think to yourself "Well, if Chicharito was here playing every game for 12 years straight, maybe he would have a better record" and it's true.
My ideal starting 11 next season would be
De Gea,
Darmian, Smalling, Bailly, Shaw,
Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger,
Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Martial
Ibrahimovic.
Make Bastian the captain.
Sorry was referring to Costa. Yes both of your make absolutely fair points though whether Wilshere/Oscar/Fabregas would make a better CM/CAM than Rooney is still debatable. My point is we shouldn't sell him yet this summer. Keep him for another season. I don't mind seeing him benched at all as long as he doesn't mind it too...
Yes he was one of the best paid players in the team/league. Only 4-5 players were paid more than him.
http://www.footballeconomy.com/content/top-wage-earners-english-premier-league-august-2004
I wanted him gone the day the threatened to go to City. Nothing has changed since
The funy thing is I was on Team Rooney when he first threatened to leave.
I was disgusted with the way we replaced Ronaldo and Tevez. I couldn't blame any top player for leaving.
In 2013, I thought he was on the decline and wasn't worth the hassle. Thought Moyes needed to show some balls and bin him.
I can hand on heart say I don't have anything against Rooeny.
He was my favourite player growing up and I idolised him more than Ronaldo.
However since 2013, I've been desperate for him to leave. I was gobsmacked when we gave hi. That contract in 2014 and could see trouble coming from a mile off.
lots of people on here were up in arms about that contract even then. Some people were justifying it saying we get 3 players. 100k for Rooney the striker, 100k for Rooney no.10 and 100k Rooney the midfielder
Tbf, I dont see it as being as comparable as Rooney who is the best paid (?, not sure if Hazard, Toure earn more) in the league and is on comparible wages to the likes of Ronaldo and Messi (club salary) while he has been far far from their level since pretty much 2011 and isnt even half the player they are now for example. It deludes me as it's clearly that Rooney isnt going to improve and gets worse every year, physically, and technically. Cant find Zidane's, Ronaldo's, Figo's, Ronaldinho's salary tbh, and knowing they got paid a lot in Italy as lot back then. If you look at Rooney's wages, status and guaranteed place in every team he plays, you'd think he is a top 5 player in the world, while in reality he's bang average in this stage of his career. He's been great for us in the past and used to be one of my favourite players, the milk has gone stale however and it's time to get rid, before he stinks the place up even more, blocks the recruiting of quality no 10's/midfielders and forced shoehorning of other players just to accomodate a player who isnt very good.
Can we call this a Rooxit referendum?
There is a better option in every situation you mentioned, also the goalposts have moved from he would be a starter at those clubs to he could be a sub at arsenal
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How much does Rooney make per week do you think?
How much do Ronaldo and Messi make, do you know?
Let me tell you in case you don't, Rooney makes £250k per week basic from United and gets bonuses on top tied in with his image rights i believe. Which bring it up to around £280-290k.
Messi and Ronaldo both make between £500-600k per week before tax just from their club salaries. Thats not including endorsements and sponsorships etc.
So do you still think their wages are comparable?
Ffs mate he scored 36 goals in 2012. Isn't half the player Toure is? Jesus wept have you seen Toure play recently?
Rooney isn't going to be a guaranteed starter under Jose, he i think will become a valuable squad member. Experience like his isn't easy to find, just like Giggs and Scholes in the past that will be valuable especially with so many young players int eh squad now.
feck sake mate we are heavily rumoured to be about to sign a midfielder for a world record £100m and pay him the best part of £280k per week. Rooney is blocking no one, his wages affect Uniteds spending power in no way at all accept that fact please.
Giggs and Scholes didn't block anyone when they transitioned from first team players to support players. Neither will Rooney.
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Didnt realise theirs was after tax, but even then, Rooney's probably behind Nemar, Messi, Ronaldo along with Suarez, Bale, Aguero, Hazard etc, it doesnt really change the situation too much, those guys too are far superior players.
I didnt refer to Toure, I refereed to Messi and Ronaldo??? And even then, in recent years Toure has been better than Rooney, significantly, they were both garbage this season tho.
And what exactly does his experience bring us, our Schweinsteigers experience, or Carrick's experience. Or what exactly did Evra's experience bring us under Moyes, or Giggs' experience, or Ferdinand's experienxe, or Vidic' experience. Experience is good, dont get me wrong. But only when the experiences goes along with still a high level, which Rooney doesnt have. Thinking that Rooney will become a squad player and wont kick a fuss in this club would be delusional, he is a hindrance. About us signing Pogba has got nothing to do with Rooney anymore as Mourinho doesnt see him as a midfielder bit 10 or 9.5. We could get some actual quality in there but Mourinho too, as all the other managers will feel forced to shoehorn him in the side, or else Rooney and the media start their campaign again. This situation is worse than Gerrard's, and he could actually cross pass.
time for rooney to go. thankfully mourinho is known to be ruthless. i trust he'll know how to do it in a way which doesn't make too much noise.
So what? Honestly his wages are irrelevant to United. It truly baffles me why people are so obsessed with them. The club agreed to pay him what they thought he was worth when he signed his last contract, which was in 2014 by the way. According to you he's apparently been shit since 2011 and yet 3 years later they still gave him a contract that made him one of the best paid players in the league.
Why?
The experience of Scholes and Giggs when they were no where near the players they once were was still very valuable. How many members of the current squad have one a league title? How many have won two? How many have won 5? How many have been involved in numerous title run-ins? How many have won the european cup? How many have won several domestic cups? How many have played in numerous domestic and european finals? How many have played almost 100 champions league games?
Ask yourself all those questions and then you will have your answer as to what his experience will bring to the squad. The only other player with anywhere near the same Premier League and Champions League experience is Carrick and this is most likely his last season at the club.
What? Sorry mate who wrote this post below?
Thats why Pogba was brought into the conversation. If as you say Mourinho doesn't see him as a midfielder then how the titty feck will Rooney block us recruiting any midfielders?
Answer he won't, nor will he stop us recruiting players in any other position either.
Rooney should've left same time as Fergie. He has been chasing shadows ever since. Being moved around ST, CAM & CM. Fact is he has no position nor should he be guaranteed a place in the starting XI. He is not a specialist in any of those positions. We've been accommodating him for the last 3 years.
What he earns isn't the problem but the fact that the his massive wages almost guarantees a starting berth, at least more than any other player. This is the main problem. People think it is easy to just drop a £300k/w player to the bench, let alone for prolonged periods. Imagine how that will play out; "£300k/w player on bench". Like it or not, massive wages are additional pressures on management.
Where is he going to go to? Has anyone asked to buy him. I know he supposedly got an offer from China but I really can't see Rooney ever wanting to move there. We're stuck with him unless a reasonable offer comes in for him, a move that he would be prepared to make anyway.
We've done it in the past though Scholes and Giggs were two of the highest earners at the club when they started transitioning to being Squad players. Once they're contracts were up for re-negotiation they got paid less to reflect their value to the team. The same will happen with Rooney if he is ever offered another deal (unlikely).
And besides what can we do he isn't going anywhere because no one will pay him what United do, he has i think 3 years left on his contract so why would he leave and take a wage cut. Like or lump it he's here until 2019. Do you really think he will still be in the first team at 33, because i don't i think this will be the season where he transitions into a squad player.
He will accept less playing time because he has no choice unless he chooses to leave. If he isn't doing it on the pitch make no mistake Mourinho will drop him, he dropped Casillas and he went to Chelsea and immediately dropped and then sold their best player, player of the year two years running and fan favourite Mata.
He gives zero fecks about reputation, if he thinks it's best for the team that a player doesn't play then they won't play.
Dropping Giggs or Scholes is not quite the same as dropping Rooney. The Rooney hype train is only matched by Ronaldo or Messi. We're talking about the highest earner in the league, the captain of England and United, record goal scorer etc. The guy couldn't get rested for one game at the Euros before the media for their arms out. Dropping Rooney is picking a fight with the media. The last thing Jose needs is to have the media in his back again as the previous managers experienced.
Sell Rooney one time and all is forgotten in a month.
Jose enjoys having the media on his back. It's his modus operandi.
If he picks Rooney, it'll be on merit and because Mourinho can see what the fella brings to the team (unlike most on here).
If he picks Rooney, it'll be on merit and because Mourinho can see what the fella brings to the team (unlike most on here).
Not that it matters but i don't know if he's actually the highest earner in the league, he's up there i'm sure but i think Hazard and a few of the City players might earn more.
But anyway Jose won't give a feck about media pressure, he will be more worried about boardroom pressure to get results and win trophies. If Rooney stands in the way of that he will be dropped simple as that.
You don't think he was under pressure from the spanish media for dropping Real Madrid legend, and current Real and Spain captain Casillas?
Of course he was but he did it anyway.
depends on where wants to go and what other clubs are willing to stump up for him. my point is other marketable players have arrived at the club which was one of the main reasons he's still here. he's only getting older which means he's a lot more likely to be more of a liability than before. if we indulge this too much we will be holding ourselves back unnecessarily and i dont think if our focus is on winning trophies it's smart to devote a lot of energy on how to accommodate him rather than focusing on how we build a more efficient team
you guys need to read up on how his deal is actually structured. if i can find the article i will post it later. but part of his wages have to do with image rights and capitalizing on commercial activities.
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The danger here is that, much like how a broken clock is still right twice a day, Rooney will score a goal or too (as most forwards will do eventually playing in a supposedly top class side) next season and everyone will be brainwashed into thinking he's still world class.
Then when it really matters or over the course of the season, his actual contribution is, to put it as kindly as I can, a hindrance and we end up looking like a mediocre team again.
This is what has happened since we made him our main man with that new contract and unless he is sold it will happen again.
Then when it really matters or over the course of the season, his actual contribution is, to put it as kindly as I can, a hindrance and we end up looking like a mediocre team again.
This is what has happened since we made him our main man with that new contract and unless he is sold it will happen again.
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If he thinks mediocrity is good enough and acceptable then he will join the evergrowing managerial scrap heap of the post-Fergie readjustment. Going by past history Woodward won't hesitate to sack a managerial failure and the last two, who incidentally went all in with the Rooney love in all failed. The simple fact is that Rooney is no longer good enough to be the driving force of a club that aspires to win major trophies but is still being given the treatment afforded to one who does and the team suffers as a result.
Moyes and his staff got culled for failure. LVG/Giggs and their staff got culled for failure. Rooney/Club captain must be Teflon coated.
Poor results bring about even more pressure and playing an unbalanced side because you're shoehorning a barely useful player is one way of ensuring poor results. I'm sure Mourinho knows what's worse.
There's a small part of me that thinks he may have a little something to offer whether it's on or off the pitch, but there's a much larger part of me thinking about how bored of his crappy performances I am and how he's stifling the team. I'd be quite happy to see him go, but it would mean needing to sign another player on top of the other 'nother player IMO, and I'm not sure there's enough available this transfer window.
To be honest, I couldn’t care less what he earns. I don’t care what we pay for him or Pogba. I don’t care what anybody earns in comparison to Ronaldo, Messi or whoever else. Literally could not give one single flying f**k.
All I am bothered about is performance on the pitch.
Irrespective of Rooney’s reputation and earnings, he hasn’t performed well enough for 4-5 years now. Not even close to the standard I expect of our main man. So let’s not compare his wages, let’s compare his performances of our main men / captains for the last 25 years. Are his performances and leadership equivalent or even comparable to Robbo? Cantona? Keano? Ruud? Ronaldo? RVP? Nope. Nowhere near. Granted those players are all very different but all contributed an equally high level of performance over various lengths of time.
I was dead against Moyes giving him the contract.
I was excited at the prospect of LVG making an example out of him and getting rid and so massively disappointed when he was made captain.
However, on reflection. Moyes simply didn’t have the charisma, the experience, the ability or the bollox to manage us. He gave Rooney the contract as a substitute for a marquee signing. We couldn’t break the transfer record but we have the best paid player in England. Easy option and marketing / PR ploy from Moyes and Woodward.
LVG didn’t know the league, we were massively short on any kind of leadership and out of the 15 or so senior players, making Rooney captain was again a fairly easy option. We needed stability, not more unrest.
However, Mourinho is a winner. He knows the league. Speaks the language. Knows all about managing not only a massive club but the expectation that comes with it. He knows how to play the media, how to play experienced players and even how to play the fans. Despite the inevitable ins / outs, the squad seems more stable. A contradiction I know but that’s the way it seems. Smalling and De Gea are now much bigger presences and personalities within the squad. Plus we have true leaders who know how to win in Basti and Zlatan. We are now far less reliant on Rooney. In the Moyes days and early LVG days had we bombed out Rooney I could understand younger, less experienced players getting disillusioned and siding with Rooney and against the manager. Now though, if Mourinho bombs him out or benches him, his whinging and whining to other players will fall on def ears. The training ground is apparently buzzing. All these players will be itching to impress Jose.
Then when Zlatan rocks up, swaggers about in training braying in goals and having the aura about him. The Martials, Miki, Memphis etc will be buzzing off him. They’ll see how Zlatan can hold the ball up and bring them into play, they’ll see how Zlatan will be on the end of their crosses. The midfielders will see a focal point who they can ping a pass into and trust his touch. The back four will see a presence that if they are under pressure, they can knock a ball into his chest and he’ll hold it up and win a foul.
They’ll all see progress. Although it’s a team game the majority of footballers are selfish. They want players in the team and around them that make them look better, that make their job easier and that increase their chance of medals.
That realisation is imminent. Rooney is now competing with Zlatan, Martial, Miki, Mata and maybe Pogba. That’s a significant step up in pace, strength, creativity, assist making, goal scoring and basic technical ability. He falls someway short of all of those players.
The way I see it is, best case scenario. He’s told the day he reports (like LVG with Hernandez), “your not my main man, your way down the pecking order and I cant see you playing much. If you want to stay around, that’s fine but the second there is a sniff of bad attitude your gone – I suggest you start looking for a new club, you have been a great servant and so the club wont demand much of a fee and you can go where you want”
Worst case scenario……Jose gives him his chance. However, it wont take long for Jose, the players, maybe even Rooney to realisation he’s lost it. That may come through sheer poor form and getting dropped. Or a huge positive difference the first time he misses a game.
He’s been very lucky over the last 4 years that his poor form has coincided with an injury crisis.
This will be his last season with us. But with Jose’s comments about his position and about how “some players may not like being in the bench and may want to go” I could see him in an Everton shirt in Spetember.
All I am bothered about is performance on the pitch.
Irrespective of Rooney’s reputation and earnings, he hasn’t performed well enough for 4-5 years now. Not even close to the standard I expect of our main man. So let’s not compare his wages, let’s compare his performances of our main men / captains for the last 25 years. Are his performances and leadership equivalent or even comparable to Robbo? Cantona? Keano? Ruud? Ronaldo? RVP? Nope. Nowhere near. Granted those players are all very different but all contributed an equally high level of performance over various lengths of time.
I was dead against Moyes giving him the contract.
I was excited at the prospect of LVG making an example out of him and getting rid and so massively disappointed when he was made captain.
However, on reflection. Moyes simply didn’t have the charisma, the experience, the ability or the bollox to manage us. He gave Rooney the contract as a substitute for a marquee signing. We couldn’t break the transfer record but we have the best paid player in England. Easy option and marketing / PR ploy from Moyes and Woodward.
LVG didn’t know the league, we were massively short on any kind of leadership and out of the 15 or so senior players, making Rooney captain was again a fairly easy option. We needed stability, not more unrest.
However, Mourinho is a winner. He knows the league. Speaks the language. Knows all about managing not only a massive club but the expectation that comes with it. He knows how to play the media, how to play experienced players and even how to play the fans. Despite the inevitable ins / outs, the squad seems more stable. A contradiction I know but that’s the way it seems. Smalling and De Gea are now much bigger presences and personalities within the squad. Plus we have true leaders who know how to win in Basti and Zlatan. We are now far less reliant on Rooney. In the Moyes days and early LVG days had we bombed out Rooney I could understand younger, less experienced players getting disillusioned and siding with Rooney and against the manager. Now though, if Mourinho bombs him out or benches him, his whinging and whining to other players will fall on def ears. The training ground is apparently buzzing. All these players will be itching to impress Jose.
Then when Zlatan rocks up, swaggers about in training braying in goals and having the aura about him. The Martials, Miki, Memphis etc will be buzzing off him. They’ll see how Zlatan can hold the ball up and bring them into play, they’ll see how Zlatan will be on the end of their crosses. The midfielders will see a focal point who they can ping a pass into and trust his touch. The back four will see a presence that if they are under pressure, they can knock a ball into his chest and he’ll hold it up and win a foul.
They’ll all see progress. Although it’s a team game the majority of footballers are selfish. They want players in the team and around them that make them look better, that make their job easier and that increase their chance of medals.
That realisation is imminent. Rooney is now competing with Zlatan, Martial, Miki, Mata and maybe Pogba. That’s a significant step up in pace, strength, creativity, assist making, goal scoring and basic technical ability. He falls someway short of all of those players.
The way I see it is, best case scenario. He’s told the day he reports (like LVG with Hernandez), “your not my main man, your way down the pecking order and I cant see you playing much. If you want to stay around, that’s fine but the second there is a sniff of bad attitude your gone – I suggest you start looking for a new club, you have been a great servant and so the club wont demand much of a fee and you can go where you want”
Worst case scenario……Jose gives him his chance. However, it wont take long for Jose, the players, maybe even Rooney to realisation he’s lost it. That may come through sheer poor form and getting dropped. Or a huge positive difference the first time he misses a game.
He’s been very lucky over the last 4 years that his poor form has coincided with an injury crisis.
This will be his last season with us. But with Jose’s comments about his position and about how “some players may not like being in the bench and may want to go” I could see him in an Everton shirt in Spetember.