Stay, as a midfielder, which Jose says he isn't. If he was to be put up for sale, apart from China, I don't think there would be a queue to buy him, unless he was willing to take a huge drop in wages.
Who wants Rooney gone and who wants him to stay
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Last season? Yeah he was as i've already said woeful in the first half of the season. Did the Stoke game give him the kick up the arse he needed and help him regain form yeah maybe.
But even when he was playing very badly last year it's hardly as if he was strolling about the pitch not trying, he was trying but nothing was going for him. No player purposely plays bad the very idea is silly, some like Di Maria can't be arsed but i wouldn't say Rooney wasn't trying last season.
Some people forget he worse in 2010. For almost a whole calendar year he didn't score from open play, i think it was from February/March 2010 until the next January. Ferguson kept playing him then as well. Was he undroppable then also or did his manager just think he could play his way back into form?
I swear this thread has happened every year since about 2010
Because our love for United trumps meaningless sentimentality .
Legends deserve ambassadorial roles. A place within the United squad should be earned simply on present perfomances.
Theres a reason for that. Our highest paid player hasnt been convincing since his mid twenties. Its frustrating because everyone recognises that he's almost certainly going to finish as our record goalscorer but its impossible to ignore the fact that we pay him messi, ronaldo, neymar money but even at his peak he wasnt at that level.
That's what really hurts the most, the wacking fortune he's on versus performances on the pitch. Still willing to wait and see if Jose can get him singing again, but this must now be last chance saloon.
Yeah, and the thing is we wouldnt need to have this conversation if he was on the kind of money scholes was on which was reasonable but he's not, he's on five times as much and you cant ignore that. You cant have someone coasting when he gets paid the gross domestic product of a small country.
We should also get rid of him for that alone.
100% gone, but it won't happen.
Who else is going to be stupid enough to pay him £300,00 a week?
Who else is going to be stupid enough to pay him £300,00 a week?
No not performance wise but from a marketing point of view he's probably as or at least close to as valuable as any of those (although I've no idea why...something about his weird shaped head seems to work).
I do think people get carried away with how rubbish he supposedly is though. He's not anywhere near as good as he should be, but he's still one of our most productive players and if he left we'd need to replace him. Where he hasn't helped himself is the two seperate incidents of publicly pratting the club and fans around for a new contract. There was a lot of patronising "the fans will forgive him when he stays and carries on scoring" stuff...and maybe that would even have been true if he'd performed somewhere close to the level that sort of behaviour would suggest. He hasn't though and fans do have memories.
At the same age (30-31) Scholes was on around £75-80k per week at United he was one of our highest earners along with the likes of Giggs and Keane both of whom were also in their 30's.
Obviously with wage inflation Rooney's £250k per week is more but it's at a relatively similar level to what those guys were earning as one of the top earners in the team and league. Keane was earning £100k per week at 33-34 in 2004-05, a huge wage for the time despite him not being the player he once was. We re-new players contracts in their late 20's i am sure with the knowledge they they will decline over the course of it.
I keep saying this but i do wonder why people care what he earns, he may not be worth his salary but neither are the likes of Young or Jones and i don't hear people banging on about their wages in every thread.
http://www.footballeconomy.com/content/top-wage-earners-english-premier-league-august-2004
People seem to think that his wage matters. It doesn't. It will not prevent United from doing anything they want. Also, we don't know if his wage would cause trouble in the squad if he were benched. That's just a lot of speculation. Jose doesn't care how much his wages are. If he earns a place in the squad, he will play, but I don't doubt that he will be benched if not. Jose would feck around, He has a point to prove. He wants to win.
It's crazy we are still even debating this issue before the start of the 16-17 season.
There is no position in the squad where Rooney can be played where he elevates the squad. He needs to be sold or just buy him out of his fecking contract.
From Jose's first press conference it looked/sounded like he was just as annoyed at having to watch him play week in week out as we were as fans.
Really no disrespect to the guy he was a great, great player for Manchester United and he deserves respect but his time has come to an end at a first team level at a club of this level.
Hopefully the Shanghai Shitheads come in with a stupid offer and it turns his head after hearing Jose's comments. I really can't take another season of Rooney ghosting through games trying to ping 50 yard balls to the wings
There is no position in the squad where Rooney can be played where he elevates the squad. He needs to be sold or just buy him out of his fecking contract.
From Jose's first press conference it looked/sounded like he was just as annoyed at having to watch him play week in week out as we were as fans.
Really no disrespect to the guy he was a great, great player for Manchester United and he deserves respect but his time has come to an end at a first team level at a club of this level.
Hopefully the Shanghai Shitheads come in with a stupid offer and it turns his head after hearing Jose's comments. I really can't take another season of Rooney ghosting through games trying to ping 50 yard balls to the wings
This site has bold character. We go again.
Not really comparable for me. Those were rolling one year contracts for players who didn't have agents. Players who could still contribute. Players in a more limited role who did not demand to start every game. Players who took care of themselves and earned a fraction of what Rooney makes.
By demanding that wage Rooney forfeits the right to have the same excuse as players who earn four times less than that. The club's relationship with him is basically prostitutional - I'm sure those who hire whores won't stand for them to be on the period on the night in question. Rooney's performances since that contract was signed haven't been up to standard, surely you accept that its different from overpaying for a player who would definitely strengthen us!
Time to go. His performances have been substandard the past few years and I don't see him getting back to his best any time soon. We have better options in the attacking positions and he won't be played in midfield. Having said that I don't see where he would go. No team with the ambition to win the league is going to buy him, so he would probably be looking at a move abroad, though I don't see him ever leaving England, so in all likelihood we're stuck with him for the foreseeable.
I thought Rooney did well in the last couple of games where he was played in a deeper role? Especially in the last two FA cup games where he really played his heart out and did exceptionally well despite playing in his unnatural position and contributed greatly to our wins. He also had a run of good games in the beginning of 2016, scoring 7 goals and recording 3 assists from his 9 matches between January to February, before succumbing to a knee injury. He is also a seasoned captain and an experienced leader, something that we still lack in the dressing room (not yet counting on Ibra and Schweinsteiger who just recently joined).
I was honestly surprised to read many people here wanting to see him gone. Rooney is still a good player. He will be a first team player for City, Arsenal and Chelsea for sure. The only logical reason for us to sell him is if United is in a bad shape financially. Otherwise, I am of the opinion that we should keep him for at least another season and see how Mourinho would utilize him.
I was honestly surprised to read many people here wanting to see him gone. Rooney is still a good player. He will be a first team player for City, Arsenal and Chelsea for sure. The only logical reason for us to sell him is if United is in a bad shape financially. Otherwise, I am of the opinion that we should keep him for at least another season and see how Mourinho would utilize him.
If he didn't play for us, nobody would be crying out for his signature.
I don't understand this argument to keep Rooney and play him in midfield. Despite Mourinho saying it's striker or nothing some people on here and still advocating for him to play deeper and stay on. He's never going to be a Scholes or a Xavi, or even a Mata/Herrera. He's comfortably outside the top 15 midfielders in the world so why pay him top 5 wages when we can pay one of the top 5 midfielders in the world to do an all round better job? Or even take a punt on a youth player like Periera?
This kind of sentimentality is what got clubs like Liverpool in trouble. For me, if Rooney does not perform as a striker this season then he's China/America bound next summer.
This kind of sentimentality is what got clubs like Liverpool in trouble. For me, if Rooney does not perform as a striker this season then he's China/America bound next summer.
He's veen very poor this season and his occasional good patches of form dont warrant him a starting place at United, besides that, even if he got benched, paying one player far more than others who actually are performing is just weird, we dont have an umlited wage budget, his wage could be used for players who actually deserve it. The Scholes/Giggs comparisojn, I dont understand. They were 10x the players at that age, Rooney currently is. While Rooney weakens the team, theybwere still valuable starters and had their hand in our succes's.
If people want him to leave due to his performance, half of the team should go with him.
If it is because of his wage, it is irrelevant. His wage is more due to his longevity and marketability which in my opinion, he deserves it.
If you want him to leave because of him being untouchable, I truly think that it is not a case with Mourinho. If he plays Rooney, it is because he believes Rooney can play well.
All in all, I voted stay. I don't even see how he is actually weaken the team, as we are not better when he was not in the team. But if we do signed Pogba it would be interesting what Mourinho will do as Pogba is better as #10 IMO.
If it is because of his wage, it is irrelevant. His wage is more due to his longevity and marketability which in my opinion, he deserves it.
If you want him to leave because of him being untouchable, I truly think that it is not a case with Mourinho. If he plays Rooney, it is because he believes Rooney can play well.
All in all, I voted stay. I don't even see how he is actually weaken the team, as we are not better when he was not in the team. But if we do signed Pogba it would be interesting what Mourinho will do as Pogba is better as #10 IMO.
Bloody hell. So many want him gone and bang on about his wages yet will no doubt support spending 100 million pounds on a player.
Take out the fact his name is Wayne Rooney, take out his age, take out the fact he's not as good as he was 5 years ago. Just watch him in the United team as a blank canvass and then decide whether he is good enough.
In my opinion he along with Martial and De Gea was one of our most talented players in our line up.
Sadly too many people on here can't see past form, age and how much he earns, and can't see past media agendas.
Take out the fact his name is Wayne Rooney, take out his age, take out the fact he's not as good as he was 5 years ago. Just watch him in the United team as a blank canvass and then decide whether he is good enough.
In my opinion he along with Martial and De Gea was one of our most talented players in our line up.
Sadly too many people on here can't see past form, age and how much he earns, and can't see past media agendas.
Roon is legend... he needs to end his career here at United...
Why would it be any different with Mourinho, same was being said with van Gaal, who supposedly was ruthless, but yet my captain shall always play, not to mention the English media who pressure our manager once you touch the golden boy.
Rooney isnt our best number 9, at no 10 there are better options in our squad, and we could get better no 10's elsewhere easily. Not even discussing him in midfield as he's just very average in their. All in all, with shoehorning Rooney, we're constantly shifting players for a player who performance wise is inferior. I think some have easily forgotten how poor he was this season, besides January basically.
If that player is someone who actively strengthens the team and would bring United back to the top (I dont think Pogba is tbh, that is a Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar player fee), I'd much rather prefer that then a player who is more of a hindrance, just like Gerrard. Because of his past career heights, being guaranteed a place whilst he is far from good enough. Smalling, Blind, Mata, Lingard, Valencia when he recoved where easily better than Rooney over the course of the season. Rooney has been our worst player in so many matches.
It's absolutely mental that our fans still believe those things.
I really need some of what @26andahalfyears is smoking
Hi Colleen.
*Seriously, like MANY have said, he is earning a galactico wage yet is probably the 15th best striker in the PL and around 40th in Midfield (srs). Should Scholes still be playing?, a man who is a local AND a true legend?
He deserves a season under Jose hopefully he can perform better with a few more quality attacking players around him in the number 10 spot but he should definitely have to fight for his place and if he's not doing he should be benched either way unless he performs way above what is expected I hope he fecks off to LA like square head next summer
I wonder who he is replacing in those arsenal, city and Chelsea lineups.
None of those players were on rolling contracts at Rooney's age.
So does Rooney 15 goals last season and 6-7 assists.
Where has Rooney said he demands to play every game? Its a myth.
They were some of the highest earners in the league just like Rooney, wages have inflated thats not the players fault.
Sorry mate thats absolute horseshit. At 29-30 Giggs was having such a bad patch of form there were people Booing him at OT. Think about that one, have you heard anyone at OT booing Rooney?
Only later did Giggs rediscover some form and play well again. But he had a few ropey years around 30.
Again Rooney's wage will not affect potential signings United could comfortably pay him 4x times what they currently do and it would make no difference. Him being on the bench and earning more than most of the squad is nothing to worry about.
Giggs also earned more than most of the squad when he was a bit part player in his 30's. No one complained as far as i know.
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Needs to stay this year, at least. Let's how he performs under Mourinho first, then see.
Unless, we get stupid money from China and we could replace him with Aubameyang or someone of the same ilk...
Unless, we get stupid money from China and we could replace him with Aubameyang or someone of the same ilk...
There are none so blind as those who will not see
Look at the standard back then and the standard right now, now fans are basically content with playing Fellaini, Schweinsteiger, Darmian, Carrick etc, enough fans have boo'ed Rooney tbh this season. And did Giggs earn roughly the same amount as world best players at that time? Likes of Ronaldinho, Zidane, Figo etc? Rooney does , but isn't even half the player.
I put go, but its very tentative. And its based almost purely on the assumption that Pogba comes. With Pogba, 4-3-3 is best and Rooney doesn't fit into that. Without Pogba though, I think he is worth keeping around to play #10 and see if Jose can squeeze the last ounce of football out of his body
He can play behind Aguero and in between Silva (L) and De Bruyne (R) at City.
He can also play behind Costa and in between Hazard (L) and Willian/Pedro (R) at Chelsea.
He can substitute the injured Cazorla at Arsenal.
Doesn't seem to be far fetched?
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