Oh definitely. We're the two biggest countries in Asia/ the world, have a fractured relationship and are neighbours . So these two have to the among the most famous and would be well known in each other's countries.
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My thoughts exactly.
but that is what we have disagreed on here
you are saying India/China can be lumped together for the purposes of this debate.. meaning there is a baseline population of ~4bn people who already know each other’s political leaders
I am saying you cannot do this, it doesn’t make any sense because these two countries are not closely linked
India has more cultural links to the UK compared to China
Is it?
Which other person on the planet do you think could die and illicit the kind of worldwide response and reaction the queen has?
How is that not connected to what I quoted from your "nah" to what someone else posted about her?
And how is it not in line with the thread topic - it's literally the crux of the thread!
Surely I as a (generously) middle aged, middle class white bloke should be the definitive opinion?
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I said a large portion of the 4 billion that lives in that circle around India and China will know of Modi and Xi.
Even if China & India aren’t “closely linked”, each leader in each country is going to be well known within that S.Asia/SE Asia/East Asia region of the world in the countries they are linked to, and, as @amolbhatia50k even stated, they are going to have lots of people in India/China who do know who they are. Then you add the people in the rest of the world who know who they are on top of that.
Who do you think is more well known than Xi?Surely I as a (generously) middle aged, middle class white bloke should be the definitive opinion?
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Not a clue. I was joking.
Jackie Chan. Most adults in the west know him and everybody in Asia
Dunno how widely known Modi is in China but everyone here knows Xi given how passionate our govt and media is about painting them as villains on TV and radio at any given moment.
Nope. Both this thread and the post I quoted were regarding Elizabeth being / not being the most famous person in the world (which she isn't) rather than to do with the 'response' elicited (mostly due to a curated image and media propaganda/ appeasement).
If I did have to pick a winner right now, It would have to be Trump I think. As depressing as that sounds. Not only was he president, but he was also massively engaged with social media. I mean, he's almost as famous for his Twitter persona as he is for being bloody president. He's also someone who embraces the limelight and has been very successful in marketing his name, even before the presidency. Combine that with a, shall we say, unique look, and I think he has all bases covered.
Trump by a huge margin.
Really? They're interconnected - the reason why she's beamed all over is/was because of her fame, which is why I asked who else on the planet would that happen to?
There seems to be two definitions of fame going on, too. One being the person known through the most populous continents (China & India) and the other being whose face/name most people across the world would recognise or pick out of a line up.
I would wager more people across the world could identify Jackie Chan than either Xi or Modi; I'm pretty sure vox popping over here and asking people who have no interest in politics who Modi even is would result in blank stares and confusion. Britain is a blip in terms of size, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same across Europe, North and South America.
I find the emphasis on China and India somewhat odd. Surely in India and China they know who Cristiano Ronaldo is?
A good chunk of the world's rural population wouldn't even know her name. Her seat is miles more famous than her. There's no chance she's as famous as someone like Trump who regardless of the "reaction" which us down to many other factors.
There's no two definitions. The most well known individual is the most famous. Elizabeth isn't it.
I actually think the bolded are two very different things and would actually produce different lists.
Knowing a name and recognizing a face can be very different. I, for one, would not be able pick out QE2, Pope Francis, Modi or Xi out of a police line up of similar faces. Without Google, I really have no idea what any of them look like since I know all of them from reading not watching. Recognizable names I can see Xi, Modi, QE2, Trump being at the top.
But I think recognizable faces would yield very different answers and most world leaders wouldn't be on that one. The World Cup is the most commonly watched cultural event around the world so maybe CR and Messi would be the two most recognized faces around the world. I could certainly pick out Jackie Chan face over QE2 or Modi face.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. That's why it would've been a good idea to set the criteria in the OP.
The post below yours is pretty much what I would have replied because I do believe there's a distinction myself.
Either way its not Elizabeth
I get China and India have large populations, but that's not as relevant as language.
The most spoken languages in the world
Add to that what is translated from one language to another, I'm not talking about historically with Maos, Jesuses or Shakespeares but currently, translations from people alive today, in business, news, and popular culture; I'd wager such translations from English to Chinese or one of the Indian languages would dwarf that of the other way round.
So clearly the most famous person would have to be the most well-known to English speakers, and up until last week that would have been the Queen of course. Now? I'm calling it Trump, much as I detest the bloke.
The most spoken languages in the world
- English (1,132 million speakers)
- Mandarin (1,117 million speakers)
- Hindi (615 million speakers)
- Spanish (534 million speakers)
- French (280 million speakers)
- Arabic (274 million speakers)
- Russian (258 million speakers)
- Portuguese (234 million speakers)
Add to that what is translated from one language to another, I'm not talking about historically with Maos, Jesuses or Shakespeares but currently, translations from people alive today, in business, news, and popular culture; I'd wager such translations from English to Chinese or one of the Indian languages would dwarf that of the other way round.
So clearly the most famous person would have to be the most well-known to English speakers, and up until last week that would have been the Queen of course. Now? I'm calling it Trump, much as I detest the bloke.