We're not making a profit on him if we sell him. Certainly not for £150MIL!
China we'd make a lot as he is Braziliannah, we only paid £43m for Bernardo with no add ons, was an absolute steal
Agree as what else have we got to lose? Not sure why the forums answer to everything is to get rid whilst we lord managers like Pep and Poch for bringing players on....Why did we buy Fred?
Who knows? who cares?
We did buy Fred.
So let's get behind him, get him integrated, and see what he can do in this team.
Since we already have spent that money on him then we must hope he can perform when called upon (regardless of how far away that seems now).Agree as what else have we got to lose? Not sure why the forums answer to everything is to get rid whilst we lord managers like Pep and Poch for bringing players on....
Yeah. Good answer and good point. So many players have come to this league and needed time.After seeing what happened with Lindelof I'm willing to give him more time, there's a very good in there just needs time to settle in.
Don't take it wrong. I like the young Tom as well, and I think he's been doing fine and worth to keep. And if possible, who doesn't want a team full of academies?Not just because of tradition, but tradition does play a part, yes - we're Manchester United and we promote youth. But more importantly because Mourinho has seen something in him and Solskjaer has seen something in him. Solskjaer has effectively been picking him as a sub ahead of £50m Fred, what does that tell you? He's worthy of being in our squad and is very young, why ship him out just because he's not set the world alight yet?
Yep, very effing deep.Based on the footage of his performances for Shakhtar, I'd say as a deep-lying playmaker.
I hear you and would be asking the same question if he was playing regularly under the current regime and not performing but 18 games most under Jose from the bench?Since we already have spent that money on him then we must hope he can perform when called upon (regardless of how far away that seems now).
What should be questioned and critized is why we are spending £50m on a 25 year old midfielder and he is the 6th option in midfield. If he was a 20 year for the future then this could be understandable, but not this. On what basis did we make the decision to buy him? Who made the decision? Was there not any better players available?
If you go by highlights, Fellaini looks like Arturo Vidal in his prime.If we look at the most recent videos of hi -- sure they only show the best bits but you know there is a player there.
A cross between a Matic and Herrera.
My point is that there is a player somewhere in there.If you go by highlights, Fellaini looks like Arturo Vidal in his prime.
Why is this exclusive-or philosophy? Is Matic/Herrera/Pogba that good? What happened at the PSG game? Why can't Fred bring in something extra to this trio? How old are Matic and Herrera btw and you expect both to play 40 games a season? What matters most is whether Fred can adapt to the EPL and how soon we will see the best of him. There is enough place for 4 top line MF particularly when we are playing 3MF all the time.To be fair, it's pretty difficult to drop Matic/Herrera/Pogba at the moment. Matic is probably the weak link but I don't see Fred in that role and whilst you could perhaps have Herrera play that role with Fred playing in Herrera's position, I feel like we would lose what Herrera contributes. Given time, I expect Fred to do well for us - if he doesn't get a chance against PSG, I will be surprised. Matic probably needs a rest at some point and will probably pick up a suspension soon as well so there will be other chances too.
Agree. 18 games most from the bench in a team playing the most tumescent football for years that no one played well under Jose and yet there's some that want to binned him off without seeing him play under Ole? This forum sometimes.....
Jose Mourinho has gave him more minutes and chances compared to Ole and you guys blame Mou because Ole didn't even bother playing him ? Ridiculous ,if any this is proving that Ole didn't trust Fred to play his football so how is that Mourinho's fault ??Pre or Post Jose.....
Well some one at OT wanted him and Mourinho was the manager at the time. So I would say it is Mourinho who is at fault because Woodward bought him presumably because Mourinho wanted him. In fact didn’t Mourinho say he was brought in to complement Pogba?Jose Mourinho has gave him more minutes and chances compared to Ole and you guys blame Mou because Ole didn't even bother playing him ? Ridiculous ,if any this is proving that Ole didn't trust Fred to play his football so how is that Mourinho's fault ??
Bloodyhell its an advertising video.If we look at the most recent videos of hi -- sure they only show the best bits but you know there is a player there.
A cross between a Matic and Herrera.
And ruin the Ole's at the Wheel song?he needs to change his name into fredinho.
In a hindsight I think we should have kept Forlan a bit longer. His final season with us he was actually pretty decent.Not the best examples, really, from OGS there. Forlan and Veron were obviously very good players, as they proved elsewhere (and occasionally for United too, especially in Veron's case) - but they never settled and never seemed good fits for the English game.
A peak Forlan, as he showed after leaving us, would have been amazing alongside Rooney and Ronaldo in later years.In a hindsight I think we should have kept Forlan a bit longer. His final season with us he was actually pretty decent.
So what kind of fault he did ? Wasting money or Fred being inept ? Ole didn't want to play him has nothing to do with Mourinho.Well some one at OT wanted him and Mourinho was the manager at the time. So I would say it is Mourinho who is at fault because Woodward bought him presumably because Mourinho wanted him. In fact didn’t Mourinho say he was brought in to complement Pogba?
I've never seen another player go from being so poor for one team to so great for another. It normally happens the other way round. And it's not like we didn't give him a chance.A peak Forlan, as he showed after leaving us, would have been amazing alongside Rooney and Ronaldo in later years.
Mourinho, bought him, he’s at fault. Ole isn’t at fault he’s played him seen first hand what he’s capable of and has decided to date not to play him again.So what kind of fault he did ? Wasting money or Fred being inept ? Ole didn't want to play him has nothing to do with Mourinho.
No mention of blame at all so no idea where that's come from. Trust....only 13 games in, let that sink in a little. Like said, let's see him a little more under the new style of football before we write him off just yet....Jose Mourinho has gave him more minutes and chances compared to Ole and you guys blame Mou because Ole didn't even bother playing him ? Ridiculous ,if any this is proving that Ole didn't trust Fred to play his football so how is that Mourinho's fault ??
But that would have meant NO Saha, unthinkable!!!A peak Forlan, as he showed after leaving us, would have been amazing alongside Rooney and Ronaldo in later years.
Bebe , Kleberson , Veron , Forlan , Djemba djemba , Obertan, Bellion etc.Who bought them all ? SAF , then whose fault that all of them flop , SAF too ? Player flopping happens anywhere and it's not manager fault , Coutinho cost 150m and no one blame Barca manager for his shortcomings. In real life work no one blame the HR department / user /manager for recruiting dross with problematic attitude or lack of skills. They let/made them resign by giving them unimportant task , few responsibility , no promotion or just replace them with someone else, same as football.Mourinho, bought him, he’s at fault. Ole isn’t at fault he’s played him seen first hand what he’s capable of and has decided to date not to play him again.
We ? Ole is the one writing him off not us. 13 games is a lot , more than half of Mourinho total this season ( 24 ) which less than half minutes Mourinho gave for him and looking at our upcoming fixtures , He isn't going to play except injuries happens to our starting midfielder.No mention of blame at all so no idea where that's come from. Trust....only 13 games in, let that sink in a little. Like said, let's see him a little more under the new style of football before we write him off just yet....
Matic is 30 and Herrera is 29 - I didn't say anything about them playing 40 games a season (although Matic probably does and Herrera probably should), I meant it's difficult given that we are in the business end of the season and we are playing a lot of big games at the moment. PSG game aside, that trio has worked for us but as I said Matic is probably the weak link in so much as he lacks mobility to act as an effective defensive cover. Fred can bring different qualities and I would like to see him get more opportunities and I can see promise in Herrera/Fred/Pogba as a trio but I do think we need to find a Matic replacement either way.Why is this exclusive-or philosophy? Is Matic/Herrera/Pogba that good? What happened at the PSG game? Why can't Fred bring in something extra to this trio? How old are Matic and Herrera btw and you expect both to play 40 games a season? What matters most is whether Fred can adapt to the EPL and how soon we will see the best of him. There is enough place for 4 top line MF particularly when we are playing 3MF all the time.
Clearly you haven't read Ole's thoughts on him. 13 games a lot, what a joker. Ole says it, people just think you arrive to a new country, new culture, new league, new team, new manager, new players and because because we paid 50m for someone, the money must negate being a human being. The league is littered with high profile players that took time to settle. Not saying it's going to work out for him but it's hard to think of a worse time to sign for Utd in modern day football both on and off the pitch.Bebe , Kleberson , Veron , Forlan , Djemba djemba , Obertan, Bellion etc.Who bought them all ? SAF , then whose fault that all of them flop , SAF too ? Player flopping happens anywhere and it's not manager fault , Coutinho cost 150m and no one blame Barca manager for his shortcomings. In real life work no one blame the HR department / user /manager for recruiting dross with problematic attitude or lack of skills. They let/made them resign by giving them unimportant task , few responsibility , no promotion or just replace them with someone else, same as football.
We ? Ole is the one writing him off not us. 13 games is a lot , more than half of Mourinho total this season ( 24 ) which less than half minutes Mourinho gave for him and looking at our upcoming fixtures , He isn't going to play except injuries happens to our starting midfielder.
DDG wasn't great either.....Vidic
Evra
Ronaldo
Cole
Fletcher
Lindelof
To name a few.
Let's give him time. If he's still crap this time next year we can write him off.
How do you know he was honest about Fred when he never said negative thing to our players ? Jose Mourinho was so hated here because he actually said negative thing about your favourite player but that also means he is an honest manager. Ole's action speak louder than his words , even Dalot , Pereira and Mctominay has more minutes than Fred under him, Ole even praise Darmian against Reading but we don't see him anymore on the pitch till today , what he said on Fred means nothing. He watch him on training field almost everyday and decide he isn't good enough to start , if Fred want to revive his career he would ask for transfer this summer.Clearly you haven't read Ole's thoughts on him. 13 games a lot, what a joker. Ole says it, people just think you arrive to a new country, new culture, new league, new team, new manager, new players and because because we paid 50m for someone, the money must negate being a human being. The league is littered with high profile players that took time to settle. Not saying it's going to work out for him but it's hard to think of a worse time to sign for Utd in modern day football both on and off the pitch.
There's a child like mentality in football that if it's not a instant, you get rid and start again. The interesting thing is I'm not sure how people are coming to that conclusion as we having fecking seen him play anything but limited minutes. Patience as I don't know what there is to gain from selling him anyway....
Matic has been slow since his title winning season with Chelsea , He was never a mobile player to begin with , but you won't be able to name a single manager that doesn't like him because maybe they didn't rate him only by his pace. Regular Football fans only rate pace / agility as an attribute a footballer must have , they can't see any other qualities. I still laugh at how everyone thought Pereira or Fred would immediately replace him on starting eleven after Jose was sacked. Shows how shallow their knowledge about football is.Matic is 30 and Herrera is 29 - I didn't say anything about them playing 40 games a season (although Matic probably does and Herrera probably should), I meant it's difficult given that we are in the business end of the season and we are playing a lot of big games at the moment. PSG game aside, that trio has worked for us but as I said Matic is probably the weak link in so much as he lacks mobility to act as an effective defensive cover. Fred can bring different qualities and I would like to see him get more opportunities and I can see promise in Herrera/Fred/Pogba as a trio but I do think we need to find a Matic replacement either way.
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Goes beyond the difference between leagues, Douglas Costa would probably settle in any EPL coming from Shaktar without problem.Seems like his biggest struggle has been with the speed & physicality of the PL. Which is normal coming from a lower league, still think he will be a good player for us. Just might take longer than we were hoping for.
the biggest dilemma we have over Fred is do we keep him or replace him in the song once he leaves?To the OP the only reason I can think of at the moment is he fits in nicely into the Ole’s at the wheel song. That’s it really