Why did we buy Fred?

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  1. Apr 14, 2019

    Thiagoal Full Member

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    I'm really not seeing what others are on here regarding Fred! Yes he has looked better but our midfield was so open today and lacked any semblance of control I don't see how anyone can think he played well! I can see him playing well with two cm's behind him but he'll never be our number 6 in my opinion
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    Isotope Full Member

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    At least he has some use now. Not a 50m worth use, but showing promise that maybe he will be worth it in the future.
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    RedRoach Full Member

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    He has improved, but he still makes me nervous. We were punished against Wolves when he lost possession and almost again yesterday when the West Ham defender hit the post after dispossessing him.

    There are promising signs, but he needs to get better at retaining the ball under pressure, which McTominay is so good at doing.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    We replace McTomminay with Mata.

    But its Fred's fault our midfield looks more open. :rolleyes:
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    It was a rubbish throw that put him under pressure. We know he’s not physically big or strong so we shouldn’t put him into those duels.
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    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

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    He'll get used to the intensity of the PL as he gets more minutes. I mean, he was playing against a Portuguese midfeld, so it's not like the English game is an alien concept to the rest of the world. It just takes a bit of getting used to.
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    IrishRedDevil Full Member

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    To show Herrera how to pass the ball forward.
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    JoaquinJoaquin Full Member

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    Fred has been one of our better performers in literally the last 5 games he has played. Think it was always evident that he wasn't going to prove anything until he got a steady run in the team, which he is now showing.
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    AR87 Full Member

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    He's not capable of doing the defensive work by himself in a midfield two if Pogba goes for a walk
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    Himannv Full Member

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    I just think you have to expect this sort of midfield performance when Pogba is part of a two man midfield. He's constantly out of position and further up the field and he does not bust a gut to get back either. The only one who would do well in this sort of situation is Roy Keane, and that's because he'd threaten Pogba with physical violence if he's not doing his job.
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    deadrevelz New Member

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    Still not sure he can really excel in the PL. Seems to lack a yard of pace and not quite strong enough. Technically he's good enough though but maybe best as a squad player. Hope he proves me wrong. Played better than Matic, Herrera, Lingard and Mata anyway.
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    Denis79 Full Member

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    You have to look at the situation he's put in. Last game he essentially played alone in midfield. This is not an attack on pogba because he's supposed to move further up and be the creative offensive player but because we played a 2 man midfield Fred was essentially left alone to do all the work and managed to get my MOTM. Think he did excellent vs West Ham considering the circumstances.
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    Motorman Full Member

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    I think we should just give the lad time. I saw enough yesterday that warrants that
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    Castia Full Member

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    He can be a decent player, I feel after a bad start and some very nervous performances he’s starting to get the confidence needed to put a run of games together.

    It’s an old clique but I really do feel if Fred could get a solid pre season with plenty of play time he will be an important player next season.
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    matherto ask me about our 50% off sale!

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    He's got an eye for a pass similar to Carrick when he threads one in to feet straight to the forwards, it's nice to see.

    He was rightfully criticised early on in the season but he played well against PSG and Barça and now yesterday he was our best player IMO so there's something there to work with.
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    SNes New Member

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    I agree mate, I thought he was the worst midfielder on the pitch yesterday.
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    Greck Full Member

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    Those positive threaded passes from midfield under pressure have been a welcome addition. Some of the other midfielders would send it back when there's a hint of pressure around
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    Fair enough v Wolves but that was a terrible throw yesterday. He was barely an option in the first place and then the throw bounced in front of him.
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    acnumber9 Full Member

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    It has nothing to do with strength or how physically big he is. It’s because of his poor control. His first touch for a central midfielder is really poor.
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    Just needs to play more. Sprays the ball better than everyone we got left and right apart from Pogba. He’s quicker than Herrera and Matic.
    He’s not in the holding role to be a defensive midfielder but more to start our attacks and keep the ball ticking over left to right.

    He’s a bit lightweight which is a bit of a problem but more games and he’ll improve a lot more
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    Andycoleno9 Full Member

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    Better option than Herrera or Matic. Moves a ball quicker and he is quicker than those two. I like what i see now
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    settembrini Full Member

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    We weren't open against West Ham because of Fred, or even Pogba, both players did a good defensive job in the middle of the pitch.

    Our defensive weakness was out wide, particularly our full backs. We let West Ham get into great crossing positions time and time again. Their goal came from a cross, their disallowed goal came from a cross, the chance that forced De Gea's wonder save came from a cross. Don't see how anyone can have watched that game and think it was our central midfielders that were the problem.
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    AR87 Full Member

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    I don't know if it was "because of them", but a 3rd CM like Scott would have given us more defensive cover even on the flanks because he's disciplined about getting back and giving FBs cover rather than allowing them to get covered up. That said, I'm assuming Ole took the gamble that we could dominate possession at home against West Ham and that wouldn't be such an issue, but our sloppiness yesterday nearly proved very costly.
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    Mr PG New Member

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    Ole was a bit careless with his changes. Seriously why rest Scott (especially with Herrera and Matic missing , a young player against a very physical west ham because of Barcelona, a game we’re very unlikely to win anyway.

    Our priority should be top 4 and losing against west ham would have been a disaster especially with city and Chelsea coming up.
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    MikeKing Full Member

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    Has been a lot better recently. Signing seems similar to Mkhitaryan. Seems to be the mental part and consistency, but he can still turn it around. You can do it Fred!
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    settembrini Full Member

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    Fair points. I would prefer United play with 3 CMs anyway as long as 2 of them are given freedom to attack like how we played against Barcelona.
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    Toad Full Member

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    McTominay and Fred compliment each other pretty well. Although I think McTominay could play with anyone whereas Fred needs someone specific. He has improve a bit in his last couple of appearances but not as much as some are making out. He still isn’t good enough to be a starter for a epl/cal winning team.
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    MetoTTT New Member

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    OGS got it wrong yesterday. McT was needed as a 3rd true midfielder. Fred and Pogba were the best United outfield players on the pitch.
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    Some encouraging words from the manager.
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    Red_Beans Full Member

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    Ole always says the right things about the players. You can see why they love him.

    We as football fans need to be more patient with players. Not everyone hits the ground running. I think midfielders find it especially hard to come to terms with the PL. I like Fred. His skillset is quite unique when it comes to our other midfield options and I hope he can kick on next season
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    JoaquinJoaquin Full Member

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    Jesus christ.
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    Who was he better than? West Ham's three midfielders dominated our midfield.
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    Regulus Arcturus Black Full Member

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    ”Dominated with 42% possession, now there’s some hyperbole.

    Personally thought Fred & Pogba we two of very fee United players to do well yesterday. I don’t personally see that any of our major problems lie in midfield.
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    JoaquinJoaquin Full Member

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    Well Pogba was crap aside from the goals and Mata was even worse (his legs completely gone). West Ham's center midfield were better but the only one better than Fred individually was Declan Rice
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    Says good things about Young as well.......Fred is handing out a gift a game it seems.....he'd have to be playing world class to justify that if he doesn't sort that out. I'm not convinced at all.
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    RedorDead21 Full Member

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    Really, our midfield has zero control of games. Nothing new there. We have major holes to fix first but our midfield is as average as our attack.
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    El Zoido Full Member

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    Still not sold on him. I want to love him but he terrifies me every time he receives the ball in our own half. You can’t play in his position and be so loose in possession, it’s cost us goals on more than one occasion this season and will continue to do so.
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    LJJT Full Member

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    I agree to an extent I think the core qualities of him he has shhowed last few games proves there’s a good player there, he needs to sharpen up a fair bit relieving the ball and moving it on, I think that will come with more match sharpness playing more games. I’d like him to play every week now in Matic place
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    WR10 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Him and pogba know each other very well. In attack and possession they seem to know where each other is around ever corner.

    Play them two with mata you’re going to have a west ham team run right through you.

    Play them two with mctominay and you nullify a Barcelona midfield.

    It’s absurd to blame any individual for overall tactics
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    AR87 Full Member

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    It is worth persisting through these errors because he adds so much more dynamism and speed to our build up. Obviously he needs to iron out his errors, but we also need to just give him a run in the team to allow him to do so. There's no upside to playing Matic over him short-term or for the future.