You made the comment, denied making it & got quoted.Look at you stirring up the shit
What a cretin.
Words matter.
Can we? I’d bet it’ll be PSG are the only ones who can afford his crazy bordering on foolish wages relative to his actual output and nothing to do with image, or possibly Juve happily taking him back for a free the second time laughing all the way to the bank at us. I’d bet money on it with you that Real won’t touch him now Zidane is gone. Perez knows his stuff and won’t want the constant distraction, the crazy bastard
You're wrong. I never said to stop supporting the club because they disagreed with me. I said they should follow Pogba out of the club because they are clearly more interested in him than they are in United.
Well I never did that, did I?
What if that game time gets us more points?
Because the club lose a ton of money on it and it hampers our chances of getting a replacement for him unless Goretska does something similar at Bayern?
You don’t just bench an asset though mate, especially when they’re within their rights to run down their contract.
Firstly, vive la Pogba FC.
Really weird examples. Everyone was happy Felllaini fecked off but when did Mata run down his contract and go into a new season without signing an extension?
Some people on here are playing chess while others are playing checkers, bravo.
This isn't about whether he's world-class or lazy, or what not. Let's agree that he is bad for Man Utd and we all want him out (we all don't). Lets also agree that nobody wants him enough to make a serious bid. Fine.Can we? I’d bet it’ll be PSG are the only ones who can afford his crazy bordering on foolish wages relative to his actual output and nothing to do with image, or possibly Juve happily taking him back for a free the second time laughing all the way to the bank at us. I’d bet money on it with you that Real won’t touch him now Zidane is gone. Perez knows his stuff and won’t want the constant distraction, the crazy bastard
Why would I be happy to lose a 90 million pound asset for free for a second time? I’d rather we got some money for him and used it on the team. If he’s been genuinely world class and he clearly wanted to leave then where were all these important bids?
I’d rather he was consistent and not injured half the time he was here. I’d rather he was actually a world class attacking midfielder and a leader so we wouldn’t have had to sign Bruno in the first place. I’d rather that over 5 years he'd pushed himself and developed the defensive intensity needed to play central midfield and become an actual consistent leading PL player in that position when it was clear what was what we were crying out for.
I’d rather he was settled instead of talking shit through his agent and family every summer since 2018. I’d rather a club actually came in with a bid decent enough so we could have cut ties earlier. I’d rather I didn’t have to hear about how one more year of Pogba and the contract and agent drama is better than him just leaving now.
There are loads of things I’d rather than him staying here an extra year just so he can get a huge signing on fee at PSG for himself and his agent. I support the club over any player. If Pogba worked as hard as Fred or McT off the ball he’d be stonewall world class and universally loved by all utd fans. Pogbas problem is he never bothered nailing down a solid position. A central midfielder who doesn’t defend? An attacker who doesn’t hit consistent numbers? A penalty taker who missed nearly as many as he scored? A player who probably wants to be the best paid player in the league when his form has been patchy for the last 2 years? A player who’s made it clear he doesn’t want to be here repeatedly. I really wonder what the big fans are thinking half the time.
Is he a very good player? Yes on his day he’s amazing but what’s the point if you don’t have consistency and a best position nailed down and there’s a self created circus following your every move and gesture. It’s the definition of hype over substance at this point.
Tiring stuff.
The fastest way him leaving would be for him and his agent to take a pay cut and go now, but they wont do that will they? So whats it all about, he is 28, giving up another year of his prime and been forever wanting to move for what ever reason. So its a bit like crying wolf when really all that matters is who will pay him the most
So in the absence of tricks and animals in what way is it like a circus?
How is a pay cut the issue? The issue is clubs offering Man Utd a reasonable transfer fee.
+1
From what we hear story wise in the press there is only PSG seriously willing to pay anything for him feewise. You think the club would refuse £40m over nothing? Paying a fee ultimately means less for Raiola/Pogba.
The trouble with these statements are that they ignore that McFred give a fraction of what Pogba does give on the ball in contrast.
I don’t agree. The stats say otherwise and Oles selection policy seems to side with the stats unless one of the lads was injured. Pogba might be much better on the ball but he doesn’t offer more when he’s giving the ball away and not tracking back. It cancels itself out and makes us far easier to beat.
Would you take a pay cut at work because a stakeholder took a disliking to you?
if id publicly said for a few years i dont like where i work, id go yeah.
He hasn’t ‘said for a few years’ though, you can’t simply exaggerate & extrapolate some comments.
The reason why no teams have offered anything is because he's too high risk and his wages are high. So no one will offer much or anything.
between him his agent and his family its been most of his time here, i think his first season with zlatan was stress free, and thats it. The point is he has kicked up a stink in his time here yet doesnt want to go that much if it hurts his pocket, or reality kicks in other clubs now dont think he is worth it. Whats with the stakeholder thing you are trying to push? id take a paycut to go elsewhere if i publicy said id prefer to be elsewhere. If i was happy where i worked and gave no indication i had reason to leave, no i wouldnt take a paycut where i was currently working
I mean one thing you've gone for straight away is what he cost.
I think that's a nice post, makes a reasonable argument. He's approaching his last big contract, it's a time of fundamental choice for him. Either he goes with being an integral part of whatever he thinks United is going to achieve in the next few years, or he takes this opportunity to go elsewhere to secure his place in the history books. It seems at least that there's more of an argument for the former presently than there was a couple of years ago. There are some stories emphasising that his relationship with OGS is something that draws in the direction of staying, which is a positive whether you want him to stay or not.the context:
back in the summer of 2016, Pogba had all of world footballing in the palm of his hands. He was as exuberant of a player as he was a character being 1 of a kind. What did he do? He decides to go back to his academy days club despite it being poorly run from top to bottom. Long gone are the glory days but he was promised there would be a project built around him to make his decision of joining worthwhile. For the first 3 odd seasons, the club wasn’t able to hold up their end of the bargain for what they wished to Paul. At the same time, he was playing through injuries, frustrations of being let down of those promises, being made the scapegoat for all the teams lack of successes while also being held captive in the sense the team would not sell him even when he did portray he was not enjoying his time. Virtually had no teammates close to his level/ceiling so imagine how that feels, a supposed project yet being left stranded as a player who simply cannot do it all by himself.
Then comes in Ole. Pogba having had over 2 years under him, the rotten stench inside the club is slowly uprooted and a proper vision is laid into motion. It progresses but slowly in due time. From being the stand alone star player bar De Gea for a number of seasons to now being surrounded with the likes of other such stars in Bruno, Cavani, Shaw, Maguire, Varane, AWB, Rashford, Sancho.
…point being, it took Pogba over half the duration of his contract when he signed back with United to start seeing any sort of sustainable progress / those promises. So him being unhappy in certain moments - is it really that far fetched to see why? And it leaves a great dilemma that he will have to a give a big think over, now that steam has picked up and the progress in clear backing of the right kinds of players is there to be seen for all.
he was football’s brightest young star when he left Juventus. He was left disappointed from United’s end for 3 years. The last 2 they have been making amends by becoming stronger. And now in the final season of his contract, he truly has a situation on his hands that no one can honestly blame whichever direction he chooses to go. Maybe he has a sour taste in his mouth from the early years and wants out, maybe he appreciates the recent efforts but still feels it’s too little too late, or maybe he even changes his mind as the year plays out and decides the work done has won him back over.
in any scenario, let’s please stop vilifying the man and at the minimum see the human element to it all. The roller coaster of emotions and such is quite literally what any normal person would think so let’s not pretend to be shocked in any way. I for one will be glad whatever he decides to do and have been able to appreciate his efforts having stuck around all this time
If you argument is stats, fine but do so in good faith. An example, McFred both have higher passing percentages [based on last season] so on the face of it you’d say they are better passers but both make less attempts at ‘Progressive Passes’ whilst also completing less so do they have a higher pass percentage because they are better passers or because they generally play less challenging passes?
I’m not trying to ‘push’ an argument. You’re creating a non-existent situation where Pogba has, ‘publicy said id prefer to be elsewhere.’ which he hasn’t.
Precisely.
This. Pogba can be truly world class on his day, but that does not justify all this shite.
He has said himself maybe it was time for a new challenge, his brothers in the past have been on euro tv being interviewed about him and i cant count the number of times his agent has said he is determined to find pogba a new club/ he wont sign a new contract with United. Raiola in his public rant was also kind enough to say he would advise players not to go Manchester United. Why on earth do you think pogba gets all this heat, its a big misunderstanding?
