Why it’s okay for Pogba to play out his contract year and decide along the way
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Game.Set.Match.
Pogba is a Manchester United footballer currently so isn’t supporting the club, supporting our player. . .
I wonder why Ander Herrera wasn’t subject to such treatment.
Oh, thanks for quoting the Bosman ruling.
I just realised I'm giving you trolls amunition.
Seriously, if Pogba leaves, I hope you follow him.
Seriously, if Pogba leaves, I hope you follow him.
Because his agent aint Mino Raiola, so couldnt hide their hate behind him, oh wait, in the same time probably same bunch wanting Haaland to come here, guess with him it will be different, lul, what a joke.
That Pogba has underwhelmed and underperformed (at least compared to his price tag and wages) is undeniable
Maybe he came back at the wrong time; if Ole had been the one to bring him here this summer to cap off a rebuild maybe he’d never have been as jaded as he seems to be having lived through the Mourinho years.
That being said he’s entitled to get the best deal for himself. He’s seen out his contract so not sure there’s much else he owes us. There’s plenty of players who want to be here that we discard for next to nothing and we don’t bleat on about the sanctity of loyalty. Let’s see what happens. Ole’s tolerance of his performances will be telling.
Maybe he came back at the wrong time; if Ole had been the one to bring him here this summer to cap off a rebuild maybe he’d never have been as jaded as he seems to be having lived through the Mourinho years.
That being said he’s entitled to get the best deal for himself. He’s seen out his contract so not sure there’s much else he owes us. There’s plenty of players who want to be here that we discard for next to nothing and we don’t bleat on about the sanctity of loyalty. Let’s see what happens. Ole’s tolerance of his performances will be telling.
Those who are hooked onto some player/manager like we have with Ronaldo/Messi, JM, etc. yea they should, they probably might, just like that lunatic haram guy who went to Inter forum, after JM and Lukaku left and being banned in here.
Unfortunately, this is the way football is increasingly going - you sign a player and give them a contract of X number of years and you have to assume that they can go for free at the end of that period. We've left it too late to extend his contract really, and now we're effectively in the same position as any other club who might want to sign him
Bang on again. I’ve said the same elsewhere. The issue certainly isn’t Raiola as most fans would take Haaland. . .
The statements people attribute to Pogba just make no sense to me; their are justifiable criticisms to be made about his performances but the personal disdain is alarming.
What's does Haaland have to do with any of this?
This Pogba situation is sending people a bit mental I fear. Good fun though
This Pogba situation is sending people a bit mental I fear. Good fun though
From the lad telling fellow posters to stop supporting the club because they don’t agree with him.What's does Haaland have to do with any of this?
This Pogba situation is sending people a bit mental I fear. Good fun though
I have actually.
The difference between a circus and Pogba is that the artists show their nice tricks on a way more consistent basis.
Sorry, that's nonsense.
What's "if you're a utd fan you'd automatically know"?
Sound like even you don't know what it is...you just feel it. That's the hallmark of an illogical position.
It seems there is something special about him which I don't know why and I don't understand as well. And also his agent deserves multiple middle fingers.
I never said that. What on earth are you talking about?
Bang on.Sorry, that's nonsense.
What's "if you're a utd fan you'd automatically know"?
Sound like even you don't know what it is...you just feel it. That's the hallmark of an illogical position.
His dislike is irrational so he can’t give you any other reason than ‘a feeling’.
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Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't know how to make a point. You'd be wrong. Truth is, I just can't be assed getting into it as I'm fairly convinced it will go straight over your head.Sorry, that's nonsense.
What's "if you're a utd fan you'd automatically know"?
Sound like even you don't know what it is...you just feel it. That's the hallmark of an illogical position.
Frankly, I'm beginning to question your motives (and others in this thread) for backing Pogba ahead of the club you supposedly support. I just don't get it.
Perhaps we simply have a different understanding of what it means to support a football club. I'm willing to accept that if you are.
I think it's the indecision that irks me. I keep thinking if he wanted to stay, he'd sign a deal.
It's also the suggestion he's looking at other suitors which makes me wish they'd move for him now. Compounded by the thought he might later only sign a deal with us because nobody else came in.
Not knowing what Pogba REALLY thinks is the genuine frustrating part.
It's also the suggestion he's looking at other suitors which makes me wish they'd move for him now. Compounded by the thought he might later only sign a deal with us because nobody else came in.
Not knowing what Pogba REALLY thinks is the genuine frustrating part.
Pogba is the most micro-analysed player in the history of football. It's weird.
Just more of the usual excuses for Pogba. It's never his fault, always circum,stances or someone else.
It's boring now, can't Pogba FC just stick to the other threads about him, no need for another.
Agreed.
Not really.
Pogba is a quality player and I hope he stays. But there's no point of giving game time to a player who isn't committed.
Because, contrary to what Pogba FC believe, he's not world class and no one else wants to buy him.
I do agree there's no point in debating it since clearly, you can't or refuse to grasp the fact that footballers are people in a career who make decisions in their interests, and that a football club is no different.
Now, you can have a bias towards the interests of the club you support of course. But to hold it against a player that he puts his own interest first is illogical and calls into question your maturity and understanding of how the real world works.
Do you not have a job? When negotiating your salary did you put their interests above yours??
We don't need to agree anyway. Have your fun.
He cost 90 million quid and wants more than 350k a week to stay, it comes with the territory I’m afraid. I’d argue he’s the most forced onto a supposedly world class pedestal player I’ve ever seen and his fans have bought into this idea of the player a lot more than the reality of what he actually offers and what he wants from us in return. If he was as good as he and his fans think then another club would have made a serious offer over the years or finally cobbled together the 40 million it’ll cost to buy him this summer but still there’s nothing. Mostly what I see is hype and certain people buying into it and making excuses left right and centre when he doesn’t deliver. If he’s world class then he should be giving us world class value. Can anyone argue he does without blaming other players?
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I clearly agree with the human side of things but he hasn't been great in those years either. It's not like he's been giving it everything. He is definitely not better than the club itself. Ok yes we promised him things when we signed but nobody can see so far into the future and guess the things won't work out. I think Jose did ok with the squad at his disposal. I think he came 2nd with a weaker squad than Ole did. He won the Europa league with a weaker squad and Ole couldn't even do it. I think Jose and Pogba had problems because Pogba thought he would be treated differently but Jose treats all his players the same way and when it comes to the matter of egos, nobody takes a farther step than Jose.the context:
back in the summer of 2016, Pogba had all of world footballing in the palm of his hands. He was as exuberant of a player as he was a character being 1 of a kind. What did he do? He decides to go back to his academy days club despite it being poorly run from top to bottom. Long gone are the glory days but he was promised there would be a project built around him to make his decision of joining worthwhile. For the first 3 odd seasons, the club wasn’t able to hold up their end of the bargain for what they wished to Paul. At the same time, he was playing through injuries, frustrations of being let down of those promises, being made the scapegoat for all the teams lack of successes while also being held captive in the sense the team would not sell him even when he did portray he was not enjoying his time. Virtually had no teammates close to his level/ceiling so imagine how that feels, a supposed project yet being left stranded as a player who simply cannot do it all by himself.
Then comes in Ole. Pogba having had over 2 years under him, the rotten stench inside the club is slowly uprooted and a proper vision is laid into motion. It progresses but slowly in due time. From being the stand alone star player bar De Gea for a number of seasons to now being surrounded with the likes of other such stars in Bruno, Cavani, Shaw, Maguire, Varane, AWB, Rashford, Sancho.
…point being, it took Pogba over half the duration of his contract when he signed back with United to start seeing any sort of sustainable progress / those promises. So him being unhappy in certain moments - is it really that far fetched to see why? And it leaves a great dilemma that he will have to a give a big think over, now that steam has picked up and the progress in clear backing of the right kinds of players is there to be seen for all.
he was football’s brightest young star when he left Juventus. He was left disappointed from United’s end for 3 years. The last 2 they have been making amends by becoming stronger. And now in the final season of his contract, he truly has a situation on his hands that no one can honestly blame whichever direction he chooses to go. Maybe he has a sour taste in his mouth from the early years and wants out, maybe he appreciates the recent efforts but still feels it’s too little too late, or maybe he even changes his mind as the year plays out and decides the work done has won him back over.
in any scenario, let’s please stop vilifying the man and at the minimum see the human element to it all. The roller coaster of emotions and such is quite literally what any normal person would think so let’s not pretend to be shocked in any way. I for one will be glad whatever he decides to do and have been able to appreciate his efforts having stuck around all this time
When Jose left and Ole came in, the difference in the style of management and his true admiration for Pogba was apparent. I think Pogba went through a lot of injuries and difficulties of other sorts during his team at United and should definitely not just blame the club for the misfortunes. Granted I've been critical of Ole from the day he signed to be a permanent manager and his style of play but I get it now. He is slowly but for sure bringing back the glory days. He has put together a decent squad of players and weeded out the weak ones. I think his man management skills and the way he speaks to the media is a delight.
Pogba just needs to understand that some clubs go through a lot to compete at the best level and it is not as easy as it sounds to run a club or be successful at the highest level. As Liverpool fans if you want to know how difficult it was for them to get to be this competitive after all these years. Once SAF left, things didn't go that well at the club and the arrival of Pogba was supposed to be mark of a comeback but no one person can change a team into a world class one. It takes time and patience for that. I think we all understand that Pogba is a generational talent and he only has a few good pro football years but that doesn't mean we can change everything around us. I hope he changes his mind and signs a new contract because this is a beginning of the good things to come and he is pivotal to our success but he definitely isn't beyond the club and we can find people who will believe in this club now and we can go find somebody who will work day and night to win something with us. Example: Bruno!
Condescending little shit
First off, my occupation is none of your business. But yeah, I'm a sheepherder. I sell/rent sheep to those with the admittedly acquired taste for the good stuff.
Moving on.
Second, do you have any comprehension of the term loyalty?
RIGHT!
I think the caveat in your closing is frankly unreasonable. Football is a team sport is it not? There is a clear correlation between the quality of one's teammates and one's own output, and this is especially true for positions like defence and midfield. However, this is a bit subjective, and everyone is free to appreciate or not to appreciate a footballer. No problems.
This is the problem I have:
1. You say no one wants to pay for him, though we can all see that they want him for free
2. You believe the club is better off without him (most anti-Pogba fans do) and he is overpaid,
Then why are the anti-pogba fans unhappy that he might run down his contract and leave on a free? Isn't that a win-win-win?
Since you say no one is willing to pay for him, extending his contract will mean he will never leave.
So this only keeps a player here, who you say does not want to be here, and who you don't want to be here, for even longer.
The anti-Pogba fans should be delighted that he might finally move on even if its for free.
And professional footballer owes you loyalty because?Condescending little shit
First off, my occupation is none of your business. But yeah, I'm a sheepherder. I sell/rent sheep to those with the admittedly acquired taste for the good stuff.
Moving on.
Second, do you have any comprehension of the term loyalty?
Because they want him out of the club now?
Paul Pogba owes me nothing, which I'd imagine is the case for every United fan out there.
Which makes it all the more bizarre that you have a personal grudge against a person whom you acknowledge, owes you nothing!
Weve had to listen to him, his agent and family tell us he has wanted to leave for 3 years now. Why is he still here then?
Because Manchester United want him and he has a contract with Manchester United.
The only way he can leave is if another club comes in and makes Manchester United a nice offer. Since no club has done that, he can only leave when he's out of a contract.
He's now looking set to get to that point in a year. So why wouldn't you be pleased?
I mean, obviously. Who wouldn't a player of Paul Pogba's ability minus the transfer fee?
No, Graeme Souness does not count.
By delaying his departure, Pogba is preventing the club from finding a suitable replacement before the current window shuts. leaving on a free deprives the club of recouping a portion of the fee they paid for his services. I find that incredibly selfish, especially since it's been well-documented that United will be unable to make further purchases without sales from within. In addition, the uncertainty surrounding his future could spread discourse in the dressing room. Pogba is a well-liked, influential character by all accounts. His words carry weight, particularly among the younger players.
Would you mind directing me to those posters who have shown themselves to be anti-Pogba?
Thanks.
Your ability to misinterpret a post is astounding. It's almost as if you're seeing exactly what you want to see.
You know what they say: beware of confirmation bias.
Precisely, they all know he isnt worth the stupid money him and his agent demand. How you can question how people are not sick of this ongoing sideshow is beyond me.