When? When did Bryan Robson have a bad game? It is defining because Bruno plays like shite 4 games out of 5. If not more.
Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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Lingard was lazy while Bruno is our best player and has been since he arrived barring the odd good couple of months from Rashford.
Woah….you made the comparison. Or did you just mean the week before he signed?
Leaving out a third of a season isn’t stat picking, it’s because where do you then start and end with the comparison? What time frame would I pick pre Bruno? You were the one who claimed we were worse before he came.
So ok let’s say we include the first 3 months he played. Then we have to include this season also.
Then we have to go back another season to 2015/16 when we won the FA Cup and then it just gets worse for Bruno because it’s now 3 trophies to 1 and we definitely were not worse over the same timeframe before he came as we have been since he came.
Do you mean that Bruno has been our best performing player in all the time he’s been here other than the odd month over that period?
Yes he's done more for the team than any other player over that period.
Absolute nonsense. He has not been our best performing player every month other than a couple. He’s been abysmal all season and was abysmal the season Ronaldo was here….last season Rashford, Casemiro, Martinez and Shaw were better.
Just saying things, unfortunately don't make them true. Please read this exchange - do you think you're behaving in a reasonable manner:“Emotionally veering off topic?”What a load of nonsense. You display arrogance, yet dont enter the debate with any useful arguments at all, then just try to slag off people who actually do come up with arguments. If you disagree, at least do use arguments/point out where you disagree. Else this forum would just be like 4 year olds yelling at each other, which is frankly what your post reminds me of. Boring stuff.
Forget you're involved for a second - and make an effort to be honest - do you think that's a normal conversation flow?
I disagreed that he's a United legend and you quoted me with an emotionally charged persecution complex post about "slagging Bruno off and pretending United will turn everything around completely as soon as he's gone" <- Where was any of that said here? And how is it relevant to the discussion regarding him supposedly being a United legend?
I asked you to get back on topic - and you replied about me being arrogant - again, because you somehow decided Bruno was being slagged off because I disagreed with the notions of him being a United legend or that he has all credentials for such. Lastly, you made no points. Your reply doesn't even go with or apply to my post that you quoted. This is odd all around.
I don't think being club captain inherently makes you a legend, and he's captaining arguably our worst period in modern history. Bruno is a polemic/divisive character/player for the fanbase, just look at this thread. Football has changed, his spectacular individual numbers haven't led to much substantial in terms of trophies or periods of dominance for United.
I mean Ronaldo's status as a "legend" is often debated on this forum - and he was the best player in the world and core to one of our most dominant eras as a club - but somehow Bruno Fernandes is a "legend"? Maybe I overestimate our size and history, but I just don't see how Bruno qualifies as one.
Not for each and every single month. I mean over the whole of that period. I mean like the player of the season, not player of the match.
Because football is less about the individual which is why he can't really be judged negatively just because he plays here while the team is shite. Bebe has a league title. David May has 2 and was European champion. He's more a legend than Brian Robson if we're judging by trophies.
Cant be a legend without winning titles and I doubt we'll win anything meaningful in the next years so odds are against him.
Trophies is part of it, but it's not as extreme as that. De Gea's stock in the first 5-6 years post SAF was extremely high. He was player of the season virtually every other season, he was routinely pulling out insane saves. At the time, many would have put him as United's best ever GK or at least in the conversation. And it wasn't because he won a PL under SAF, it was his performances during the bad times. I think the tide against De Gea only really started changing in the past few years, and that was because his own performances started to decline. I think in a few years time people will look more favourably on De Gea, once his decline is a less recent memory. He's on par with Schmeichel and Van Der Sar in my opinion.
Shit Captain
moans
whinges
histrionics
goes missing when needed
Currently Utd’s best player ….which goes to show the level this club is at now.
moans
whinges
histrionics
goes missing when needed
Currently Utd’s best player ….which goes to show the level this club is at now.
That's the thing though - people seem to absolve Bruno of any responsibility when stating the team is shite, but then turn around and use "he's captain" as a bullet point for the pro legend argument. Bruno despite his numbers, has been at the center of many of our poor performances. The inconsistencies in his performances aren't something people are just imagining/making-up, nor are his disappearance acts against reputable opposition (I believe a poster has already catalogued how he fares in "big games" in this very same thread). Bruno doesn't just play here while the team is shite - our team is shite because players like Bruno have a really low floor.
I don't see him as a legend by the way. I just see him as a very good player for us. He's captain because he's our best player and the main cause of us playing well whenever we do. I doubt we'd be any better without him. I don't think he drags the team down in those games. He just can't outweigh the rest.
Bruno, a United legend? Surely OP is having a laugh. I wonder how old they are?
Deeply flawed player, who's output collapsed when we signed Ronaldo and never recovered. Petulant and sulky on the pitch, not remotely captain material.
To discuss him in the same terms as Robson or Keane is an absolute nonsense.
Deeply flawed player, who's output collapsed when we signed Ronaldo and never recovered. Petulant and sulky on the pitch, not remotely captain material.
To discuss him in the same terms as Robson or Keane is an absolute nonsense.
No. Unless he plays a key role in our resurgence/winning the biggest trophies.
Had he helped us win europa and more importantly stopped city winning the treble, then maybe. But now I would say a very good servant post SAF but couldn't be our modern day cantona.
He won't unfortunately and if the new management can't see he is also big part of the problem , then we can't truly say we are moving in the right direction and new management isn't as clueless as the last one .
Life is unfair.
This is a legitimate standpoint to me. Even if I don't agree
...he's our best player...
he might be, thing is this isn't really saying much at all
...main cause of us playing well whenever we do...
Wouldn't agree here, this year so far, I thought Bruno played relatively similar most of the time, I think, we play well when we have an early lead or something that boosts the confidence. Bruno is a player that contributes by moments, a pass that comes off or a shot. It has to be said that I consider this season as a season where we haven't really played well. Actually at all. There were a few performances I'd consider as professional and there were a few good phases but a game where I thought wow, that was really good, I can't really remember one.
...doubt we'd be any better without him...
I doubt that as well. But most people claim that we should replace him with a player who has some use as well, maybe with a more rounded skillset and, OBVIOUSLY, in connection with a bit of style change towards a more controlled setup, at least in phases of the game when we WANT to have control. It is a common strawmen around here, acting as if most critics of Bruno just want him out while keeping the team the same.
...don't think he drags the team down...
I wouldn't say it like that as well. He doesn't drag but there have been quite a few games where, when the pressure rises, he starts to lose his head and is doing the risky stuff even more than usually. Which isn't dragging the team down per se, it just puts the team in positions it isn't really comfortable with which, to me, increases chances of blunders and mistakes.
...he just can't outweigh the rest...
Well yeah... not going to get into that I guess ^^
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I generally agree with that sentiment, and going by this thread seems as though most don't think he's a United legend - harsh reality for him and those that think he is, but like you said - life isn't fair. Just harsh realities for Bruno.
Because he was also trash. Not like he's ever elevated himself above the dumpster fires burning around him is it? When we get hammered 6-3 or 7-0 or 6-1 or 4-0 or 4-1 or 5-0 or 3-0 by Bournemouth has he ever stood out for a good reason?
Rio was 35 during Moyes season. Rooney was already well past his peak and got steadily worse under LVG.
But they were world class players in their prime and won trophies at every level............
Not some Europa league level journeymen who's career highlights are 4 mickey mouse cups.
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How many players stand out in a 6 0 defeat for a good reason? And winning trophies is something the team does, not the individual. Again David May was a European Champion and Brian Robson wasn't so the former is a legend and the latter isn't by your logic.
If Bruno Fernandez was named Brian Ferdinand and Scott McTominay was named English Thomas, I bet you'd hold them in higher regard. You also don't like Southgate because 'Gareth' is a bit too Welsh for your liking. Admit it.
No.
I will disregard any legend of the club if he gets legend status.
The same usual suspects still not over Pogba being shown up by Bruno it seems
From this squad I'd say only Garnacho, Mainoo (youth and talent) and maybe Rashford (if he finds last season form more frequently) have a chance to be a legend.
Varane and Casemiro might have been if they got here earlier.
But all of them need a major trophy to actually be considered. (PL or CL).
Varane and Casemiro might have been if they got here earlier.
But all of them need a major trophy to actually be considered. (PL or CL).
I agree with this as well. He definitely forces things sometimes and gives the ball away too much. He can also be petulant. I think I'm lenient on that because the rest just seem to accept it. At least he's visibly annoyed. The team is also so dysfunctional that I can hardly blame him for the lack of success during his time here. I just think he's done brilliantly to create as many chances as he has despite being in such a basketcase.
Nope
Has become a real whinger and he simply does not carry himself the way he should as a Captain.
Has become a real whinger and he simply does not carry himself the way he should as a Captain.
How many commonly thought of "club legends" at any of the biggest clubs in world football can you recall who contributed to so many humiliating maulings for their teams? I can't think of anyone. Because top clubs in periods of turmoil dont generate legends until they start winning again.
Now you're arbitrarily deciding that I think only European Cup winners can be club legends.
Last time I checked Robson has 2 league title medals and 5 cups. Last time I checked he was also a fantastic character who elevated others around him on and off the pitch. Check back in when Bruno is fit to wipe the arse of the guy who polishes Robson's shoes.
Are you taking the fecking piss?
no.....unless chasing referees remonstrating every call is what people look at as legend status these days
Without going into his individual merits, the current era juxtaposed against the club's history is such that no one playing in it has a chance of being considered a club legend.
The next United legend will be whoever plays a key role in the club's next title or CL win. I cannot see this happening during whatever time Bruno has left in his prime.
The next United legend will be whoever plays a key role in the club's next title or CL win. I cannot see this happening during whatever time Bruno has left in his prime.
Really?
What's the criteria these days? Someone who runs a lot, acts like a dick and sprays around the ball without any plan when the going gets tough?
Okay then, maybe. But only if we can asterisk it and call him "The shittiest legend, for the shittiest era".
What's the criteria these days? Someone who runs a lot, acts like a dick and sprays around the ball without any plan when the going gets tough?
Okay then, maybe. But only if we can asterisk it and call him "The shittiest legend, for the shittiest era".
given how hungry we are for a trophy, if he puts on a stellar performance in a winning season that itself will give him a legend status.
He is to me. Arrived when the club is in turnoil, tries his best with all his limitations and wears the crest to heart. Only decent player in the club for over 5-6 years now. Yes, you read it right.. "only". And the man annoys the crap out of the scousers, whats not to like?
For me unless he manages to help us win the premier league or some other big trophy he won't be. It will be similar to DDG where he will be viewed as a very good player for us, however won't be enough to raise him up with the legends as he doesn't have the trophies to match them.
He wasn't in the same bracket as the players regularly starting then. He wouldn't get a look in. Maybe as a fifth choice.