Wilshere - where does the hype come from?

[Wumminator]

I've seen him play a few times this year.

Where the hell does the hype come from.

I notice he's just won 2nd best young player in that thing Balliotelli won. How the feck has he earnt that at all?

He's played 14 games this year in the prem. 1 goal in the league. 2 assists. Cleverley has scored 2 goals more than him and has similar assists. Why is he not in the England squad?

 

[Feed Me]

Jack Wilshere did the business at times for Bolton last season as well...

He's clearly a smashing player in the making. You can't reduce a central midfielder's ability down to goal and assist stats.

 

[Wumminator]

No you can't. But he's not performed anywhere near enough to get the hype he's had.

2nd best young player in Europe? Really? Based on what?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This is gonna end up like that cocking nasri thread...

 

[Wumminator]

Wouldn't mind him scoring a cheeky brace tomorrow mind.

 

[Allforone]

Hes a very good talent but has been vastly over hyped, unsurprisingly seeing as he plays for Arsenal and its a media given any young player who does anything there gets cream pied by the media for months after, Carlos Vela is a perfect example of that.

 

[peterstorey]

No you can't. But he's not performed anywhere near enough to get the hype he's had.

2nd best young player in Europe? Really? Based on what?

He's a starter in a top 3 PL team at 18 - will that do you?

 

[Wumminator]

He's a starter in a top 3 PL team at 18 - will that do you?

Nope.

 

[Feed Me]

No you can't. But he's not performed anywhere near enough to get the hype he's had.

2nd best young player in Europe? Really? Based on what?

Based on the quality of his performance.

You just admitted yourself that we don't reduce performance down to goals and assists - especially when a player is first starting out! He's got proper game intelligence - great movement, wonderful short passer and he's a feisty little fecker to boot!

It would have made more sense to start a thread asking how the feck Balotelli won the thing.

 

[Feed Me]

Hes a very good talent but has been vastly over hyped, unsurprisingly seeing as he plays for Arsenal and its a media given any young player who does anything there gets cream pied by the media for months after, Carlos Vela is a perfect example of that.

I don't think the media have particularly over hyped the boy...

 

[WireRed]

Wilshere is a fine talent and merits the optimism surrounding his future prospects. I don't see why that should be a problem.

Thomas Muller should have won that award ahead of him and the brat by a country mile though.

 

[Wumminator]

But Ballotelli was important to a side which won the treble.

Wilshere played a few games for Bolton, and has been largely average this year. Against Liverpool and us he was absolutely invisible, and almost cost his team a goal both times. He hasn't offered much in terms of end product.

 

[Feed Me]

For the record, Wilshere had a really strong break through season last year with Bolton... but people will have let that one go under the radar because it wasn't a fashionable team.

 

[peterstorey]

Wilshere is a fine talent and merits the optimism surrounding his future prospects. I don't see why that should be a problem.

Thomas Muller should have won that award ahead of him and the brat by a country mile though.

Apart from the fact he's 21 already.

 

[WireRed]

Apart from the fact he's 21 already.

What's the cut-off point?

 

[Feed Me]

Apart from the fact he's 21 already.

In fairness, 21 is still young.

Everyone expects players to be the finished product too early.

 

[Boss]

Mate believe me, don't make a thread like this

 

[Wumminator]

For the record, Wilshere had a really strong break through season last year with Bolton... but people will have let that one go under the radar because it wasn't a fashionable team.

The two bolton fans I know thought Weiss was better for them.

 

[peterstorey]

It's for under 21s the candidates were:

André - Dínamo Kiev
Mario Balotelli - Manchester City
Bebé - Manchester United
Yacine Brahimi - Stade Rennes
Sergio Canales - Real Madrid
Diego Contento - Bayern München
Philippe Coutinho - Internazionale
David De Gea - Atlético Madrid
Luuk de Jong - FC Twente
Nathan Delfouneso - Aston Villa

Mattia Destro - Genoa
Douglas Costa - Shakhtar Donetsk
Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moskou
Christian Eriksen - Ajax
Mario Gotze - Borussia Dortmund
Eden Hazard - Lille
Abel Hernandez - Palermo
Gaël Kakuta - Chelsea
Bojan Krkic - Barcelona
Toni Kroos - Bayern München

Adem Ljajic - Fiorentina
Romelu Lukaku - Anderlecht
Federico Macheda - Manchester United
Joël Matip - Schalke 04
Fran Mérida - Atlético Madrid
Ezequiel Muñoz - Palermo
Mateo Musacchio - Villarreal
Yann M´Vila - Stade Rennes
Sotirios Ninis - Panathinaikos
Dani Pacheco - Liverpool

Marcus Pedersen - Vitesse
Miralem Pjanic - Olympique Lyon
Rafael - Manchester United
Gastón Ramírez - Bologna
Emmanuel Rivière - Saint-Étienne
James Rodríguez - FC Porto
Mamadou Sakho - Paris Saint-Germain
Eduardo Salvio - Benfica
André Schürrle - FSV Mainz 05
Jack Wilshere - Arsenal

 

[MacMUFC]

He's clearly special. I think Ramsey has/had more potential though, brilliant player. As close to a Paul Scholes replacement you'd find.

 

[Feed Me]

The two bolton fans I know thought Weiss was better for them.

What's your point? By the same token, a Bolton fan I know says that Wilshere is going to be a smashing player... None of them are authorities.

In any case, a flash winger will always get noticed more than a quietly intelligent midfielder. Doesn't make him superior.

 

[MacMUFC]

What the feck is Bebe doing on that list?

 

[peterstorey]

He's clearly special. I think Ramsey has/had more potential though, brilliant player. As close to a Paul Scholes replacement you'd find.

Ramsay's back playing at Forest. I wouldn't want to make a call between the two of them (but then I don't have to), both major talents in the making.

 

[Snow]

Him and Henderson are both very clever players who make use of the ball when in possession. They are not wasters and are playing better and more efficiently then many of their PL veteran elders.

 

[Crumpsall Red]

It's for under 21s the candidates were:

André - Dínamo Kiev
Mario Balotelli - Manchester City
Bebé - Manchester United
Yacine Brahimi - Stade Rennes
Sergio Canales - Real Madrid
Diego Contento - Bayern München
Philippe Coutinho - Internazionale
David De Gea - Atlético Madrid
Luuk de Jong - FC Twente
Nathan Delfouneso - Aston Villa

Mattia Destro - Genoa
Douglas Costa - Shakhtar Donetsk
Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moskou
Christian Eriksen - Ajax
Mario Gotze - Borussia Dortmund
Eden Hazard - Lille
Abel Hernandez - Palermo
Gaël Kakuta - Chelsea
Bojan Krkic - Barcelona
Toni Kroos - Bayern München

Adem Ljajic - Fiorentina
Romelu Lukaku - Anderlecht
Federico Macheda - Manchester United
Joël Matip - Schalke 04
Fran Mérida - Atlético Madrid
Ezequiel Muñoz - Palermo
Mateo Musacchio - Villarreal
Yann M´Vila - Stade Rennes
Sotirios Ninis - Panathinaikos
Dani Pacheco - Liverpool

Marcus Pedersen - Vitesse
Miralem Pjanic - Olympique Lyon
Rafael - Manchester United
Gastón Ramírez - Bologna
Emmanuel Rivière - Saint-Étienne
James Rodríguez - FC Porto
Mamadou Sakho - Paris Saint-Germain
Eduardo Salvio - Benfica
André Schürrle - FSV Mainz 05
Jack Wilshere - Arsenal

WTF he's not even the 16th best young player in Manchester!

 

[fishfingers15]

He's clearly special. I think Ramsey has/had more potential though, brilliant player. As close to a Paul Scholes replacement you'd find.

Errr.. I don't see him play all that well, but whenever I've seen him play, he has been no better than decent. That's exactly what I say about Zlatan Ibramahovich too, and people think he's a mercurial talent. I could be wrong here.

But if he's the closest Paul Scholes replacement, then feck me it's terrible times.

 

[Feed Me]

Him and Henderson are both very clever players who make use of the ball when in possession. They are not wasters and are playing better and more efficiently then many of their PL veteran elders.

Now there's an over hyped young player.

 

[MacMUFC]

Ramsay's back playing at Forest. I wouldn't want to make a call between the two of them (but then I don't have to), both major talents in the making.

Good, I didnt realise he was already playing. It would be a shame to see such a talent go to waste, so I wish him all the best.

 

[johnmufc]

Wilshere is magnificent. Such composure and class for one so young. He also has the aggression and determination to excel in the centre of midfield despite his size and age.

 

[Wumminator]

What prem games has he played well in guys? Genuinly, I might have not watched Arsenal.

 

[Snow]

Now there's an over hyped young player.

Not sure about that. He looks way better than most of our midfield youngsters. He just clearly has the head for playing in midfield. I like his drive, decision making and passing. The boy also has a couple of goals to him as well. See way more in him than I ever have in Walcott or Obertan for example.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

It's for under 21s the candidates were:

André - Dínamo Kiev
Mario Balotelli - Manchester City
Bebé - Manchester UnitedYacine Brahimi - Stade Rennes
Sergio Canales - Real Madrid
Diego Contento - Bayern München
Philippe Coutinho - Internazionale
David De Gea - Atlético Madrid
Luuk de Jong - FC Twente
Nathan Delfouneso - Aston Villa

Mattia Destro - Genoa
Douglas Costa - Shakhtar Donetsk
Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moskou
Christian Eriksen - Ajax
Mario Gotze - Borussia Dortmund
Eden Hazard - Lille
Abel Hernandez - Palermo
Gaël Kakuta - Chelsea
Bojan Krkic - Barcelona
Toni Kroos - Bayern München

Adem Ljajic - Fiorentina
Romelu Lukaku - Anderlecht
Federico Macheda - Manchester United
Joël Matip - Schalke 04
Fran Mérida - Atlético Madrid
Ezequiel Muñoz - Palermo
Mateo Musacchio - Villarreal
Yann M´Vila - Stade Rennes
Sotirios Ninis - Panathinaikos
Dani Pacheco - Liverpool

Marcus Pedersen - Vitesse
Miralem Pjanic - Olympique Lyon
Rafael - Manchester United
Gastón Ramírez - Bologna
Emmanuel Rivière - Saint-Étienne
James Rodríguez - FC Porto
Mamadou Sakho - Paris Saint-Germain
Eduardo Salvio - Benfica
André Schürrle - FSV Mainz 05
Jack Wilshere - Arsenal

Why is he one the list?

 

[MacMUFC]

Errr.. I don't see him play all that well, but whenever I've seen him play, he has been no better than decent. That's exactly what I say about Zlatan Ibramahovich too, and people think he's a mercurial talent. I could be wrong here.

But if he's the closest Paul Scholes replacement, then feck me it's terrible times.

Lol, funnily enough i'm one of the few that rate Ibrahimovic. I dont wanna get into a discussion about it, because we could go on forever, but i've seen him countless times domestically and he has been very impressive, certainly one of the best strikers in the world. You dont win something like 5 or 6 league titles in a row being the club's main forward if you dont have something about you!

I meant young players, even though its impossible to call how good a player will be, its just my opinion. From what i've seen of the young British players, like Wilshere, Rodwell etc, I think Ramsey has more potential than all of them.

 

[B Cantona]

Harsh this, I think he looks a hell of a prosect, plenty to work on but you don't have to watch him for long to see why he's exciting people. He fits like a glove into that Arsenal side already

Twig you'll probably look back on this thread in a couple of years and shudder

 

[GE]

Aaron Ramsey is a better player in my opinion.

 

[johnmufc]

I've seen him play a few times this year.

Where the hell does the hype come from.

I notice he's just won 2nd best young player in that thing Balliotelli won. How the feck has he earnt that at all?

He's played 14 games this year in the prem. 1 goal in the league. 2 assists. Cleverley has scored 2 goals more than him and has similar assists. Why is he not in the England squad?

This is poor logic. Wilshere plays a rather deep-lying central midfield role. Cleverley is primarily a wide attacking player.

Wilshere is also 2 and a half years younger than Cleverley.

 

[Wumminator]

Twig you'll probably look back on this thread in a couple of years and shudder

It's worth the risk. If I'm right I'll look like I'm ever so intelligent.

 

[x42bn6]

It's worth the risk. If I'm right I'll look like I'm ever so intelligent.

The point is, I don't think anyone else thinks you'll be right!

He'll be a cracking player - he has really good vision and composure for his age, and he is technically solid. As long as he keeps developing he'll become a very good Premier League midfielder.

 

[peterstorey]

Errr.. I don't see him play all that well, but whenever I've seen him play, he has been no better than decent. That's exactly what I say about Zlatan Ibramahovich too, and people think he's a mercurial talent. I could be wrong here.

But if he's the closest Paul Scholes replacement, then feck me it's terrible times.

Yeah but you know feck all about football.

 

[Wumminator]

The point is, I don't think anyone else thinks you'll be right!

So potentially, I could bump this in years to come, and rub it in how much more intelligent I am than all of you! The dream is on