Silly thread, if its one thing Wenger still hasn't lost his touch with.. its producing quality creative centre-mids. Wilshere and hopefully Ramsey if he's the same player after that terrible injury both have the makings of becoming top class British centre-mids.
Wilshere - where does the hype come from?
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Denilson....Diaby...
Lost his touch with? Whom has he produced whose a top quality creative centre mid?
Yeah I don't mean he's as good as Rooney was at that age, but with both of them the class was just obvious. Same with Fabregas.
Wilshere's obviously a talent, a real footballer, but he hasn't made it yet and his reputation has been hyped up a bit, probably due to England's criminal lack of talent in midfield. Ramsay's reputation seems to have grown in his absence from injury, as tends to be the case with long term absentees (see Hargreaves and RvP). It's a long long way back for him.
Both Wilshere and Ramsay are a good level or two below Fabregas (even at similar ages), who's the player they'll eventually need to replace. They'll also waste their careers if they continue to be surrounded by bottling fannies at Arsenal.
Both Wilshere and Ramsay are a good level or two below Fabregas (even at similar ages), who's the player they'll eventually need to replace. They'll also waste their careers if they continue to be surrounded by bottling fannies at Arsenal.
When I mean produced, I mean brought through into the first team and guided them etc Fabregas is the stellar example but Nasri is another now who is reaping the benefits. Yes he's playing out wide but for France he showed how devastating he can be in that position if given a chance .. add that to Ramsey last year who was beginning to make a name for himself and Wilshere also impressing this year.. clearly Wenger has a good eye for creative midfielders with incisive passing. Its not surprising as his whole philosophy is built on such players.
They're not creative, the former is just a nothingness who is apparently meant to be a DM and the latter is decent as a box to box ball carrier but again no playmaker.
Am I the only person who rates Diaby? I think he's excellent, when given license to push forward.
It didn't take a particularly good eye to spot Ramsey, everyone wanted him including us, in fact he came to OT I think but eventually chose Arsenal despite being a United fan, the daft twat.
Diaby has all the tools to be a good player, I like him... I can't stand Denilson but thats a different matter altogether.
Well I assume Ramsey said he thought his game would benefit more under Wenger's tutelage. I think any young player who wants to win trophies and have a world class mentality to go with their potential being realised should pick United first but I'm biased.
Anyway there are many things I'm willing to criticise Wenger on, but I would have faith in him when it comes to attacking mids.
Diaby is a mystery. He seems to be able to do everything. Like he's strong, he's got a good pass, he's good at tackling, yet he can't put it all together.
I like Wilshire, going to be a great player. Deserved hype IMO.
As Pogue said, I think this thread could end up as embarresing as that Nasri thread...
As Pogue said, I think this thread could end up as embarresing as that Nasri thread...
It's hard to tell since he buys them in such bulk. Fabregas and Nasri were great buys/kidnappings. Ramsey as I say was a no-brainer. Were Rosicky and Hleb great buys? Reyes? The jury's still out on Arshavin, cracking player on his day but he'll be thirty soon, he needs to be delivering consistently now.
I decided that some people are a tiny bit stupid
Ramsey chose Arsenal over United IIRC?
I'm sure we were interested...
ilshere came through the ranks at Arsenal, right? So no bother there, but would have been great for us to get our hands on Ramsey,
Ah well, We'll probably end up with Rodwell. I think Everton will instill him with a lot of grit and he's in good hands there, for now...
I'm sure we were interested...
ilshere came through the ranks at Arsenal, right? So no bother there, but would have been great for us to get our hands on Ramsey,
Ah well, We'll probably end up with Rodwell. I think Everton will instill him with a lot of grit and he's in good hands there, for now...
Correct. In fact it was quite embarrasing as we announced that we'd signed him on our website.
We sent Gary Neville on a bmx and Arsenal sent Wenger in a private jet
Yeah it was embarrassing, they definitely beat us out there.
Yeh, This was the time where SAF did't go in person, which had a big effect on his decision.
He wanted first team football at an early age too, which is ironic really, as he'd have just a good a chance playing for us after the time it's taken him to get over his break.
Apparently he is struggling but feck me he is/was quality. My pal sat with him in a box at the Emirates for the Spurs match, nice guy too.
Wilshere's brilliant, sorry
Name them. Look at the list of nominees and you'll see that it wasn't such a crazy decision.
Wilshere is excellent but McEachran is a better footballer, just. Wilshere has aggression though.
Unless I've missed things, Arshavin's lack of consistency and big-match mentality get brushed over far too easily. Everyone knows how good he can be, but he seems to turn up for one game in two at best. He's being played in his absolute ideal position in a side which gives him plenty of opportunities to get at people - it's not good enough.
Rosicky's always flattered to deceive though - well, since he's been at Arsenal anyway.
Of all the Arsenal players, Arshavin tends to be the one who turns up the most in the big games - 4 goals away at Anfield, and one against you lot last year, plus he should have won a stonewall penalty off a Fletcher tackle. He's not a problem away from home.
I know McEachran is really young and it's kind of a Caf cliché but if ever there was a player that "needs to bulk up" then it's him.
I agree. He is still very young.
NeverYou lot will NEVER forget Fletcher and that game will you
I'd say those two performances were in the initial rush when he arrived and looked brilliant. Hasn't happened very much since. Sorry, but it hasn't. He was pretty dire at OT the other day and he rarely gets a look-in against Chelsea.
Didn't bother to look up the previous winners, but when I saw that Bebe was one of the nominees I kind of resented the award straight away.
agree on both points made
He was dire at OT, but so was everyone. He's definitely a player who plays well when the team plays well with him. He's like a lead singer with an average singing voice - he needs the band around him, otherwise he can look a bit lost. If his band are there, he looks like a superstar.
He's not been quite as explosive as I thought he'd be, but I still think he's been good for us. He's an effective player - he scores/assists a lot more than he's given credit for, and he's generally just a useful player to have in the side. He's not the flop he's been made out to be.
I just saw it. Yeah the list surprised me a bit. Not so long back that age group had Messi, Rooney, Ronaldo and Fabregas in it. Cycles and all that I guess.
Whenever you lot buy a young player, it's a shrewd signing. Whenever Wenger does it, it's a kidnapping!
He's an English lad with decent technical ability, that makes him stand out straight away. I rate Ramsey too because he's intelligent and creative.
This award is stupid though. Bebe???
This award is stupid though. Bebe???
His technical ability is better than decent. It's terrific.
Yes. Wilshire is a brilliant talent.
Yeh, this thread is a tad weird. I don't think there's a better British talent out there right now. I'm just glad we've got him, and Ramsey, should he return to his best.
He's done very well for us this year, and I can guarantee that if he was a United player, the Caf would love him like a son.
In fairness, bar the OP, I don't think anyone has actually agreed with the thread's sentiments...
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