No, but I don't go out of my way to actively support them either
Would you be okay with state or state-backed ownership?
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So much better explained than I ever could! Great post!
I support the club, not the owners so yes, I would be okay. The Glazers, Qataris or whoever else owns the club can get fecked as far as I am concerned. All the moral BS being spouted here is just funny considering that every single one of us directly contributes to making those regimes as powerful and rich as they are today and that they have already invested money in pretty much everything. Would them owning like 30% stake at the club suddenly make it all fine? I bet same people would gladly welcome "Visit Qatar" or similar to be our main shirt sponsor ignoring a fact that it's the same bloody money as long as someone like Jim Ratcliffe is the official owner.
This is all very exciting. I followed United before the Glazers, and during the Glazers, Ill follow them after the Glazers. its my club. As long as the owners do right by the club, supporters, the community (local and global) and respect the brand. I will be happy. if they don't, then just like the Glazers I will want them out.
It would guarantee a new stadium and training facilities, and an end to the debt. We already have the income to survive in the market, so as long as their is no funny business like ADUG, then I would be okay with it.
Oh and no renaming of the stadium or dubious airline sponsorship.
Oh and no renaming of the stadium or dubious airline sponsorship.
It seems increasingly likely that it will be a Middle Eastern investment. My worst nightmare realised.
So no one is allowed to criticize them because people use oil? How dumb is that argument?
Should we all live naked in the woods in order to be able to have an opinion on these matters?
Oil, food and clothes are absolute necessities in large parts of the world, football- no matter how much one may feel it is- is not. It’s not some secret that buying concious and fairly produced products is far more expensive and not a choice many people are able to live by, atleast not outright and without sacrifice.
Who says anything about not being allowed to criticise them? Criticise as much as you want, they deserve criticism for some of their actions. What is more dumb is "I would rather United become a midtable club than have Qataris as owners" that I have seen here.
With state investors where the state is a dictatorship, we are effectively left in a position where a democratic/political revolution can jeopardise the club's position.
Why would you actively support something linked to what you vehemently disagree with? As an example, I don't like what Nestle stand for - I don't buy their stuff even though I quite like a couple of their products.
I don't support what the Glazers did in terms of the leveraged buyout at all, but that's not even comparable to Qatar.
Yes.
United really testing my moral compass this week and it turns out I have very few morals.
Its not often I agree with Simon Jordan but his take on a lot of Utd fans is spot on.
A lot of people want Johnny Redtrousers.
He is that lad from a working class family who was born a stones throw from Old Trafford and supported Utd all his life.
He has grown up to become one of the richest men in the world but his companies have the best humanitarian records in the world and he is a philanthropist loved by all.
He is desperate to take over Utd and throw about £50 billion at us to make us the best in the world just because of his undying love for the club.
We can all agree he is the perfect owner.
Sound like La La land?
100% correct
A lot of people want Johnny Redtrousers.
He is that lad from a working class family who was born a stones throw from Old Trafford and supported Utd all his life.
He has grown up to become one of the richest men in the world but his companies have the best humanitarian records in the world and he is a philanthropist loved by all.
He is desperate to take over Utd and throw about £50 billion at us to make us the best in the world just because of his undying love for the club.
We can all agree he is the perfect owner.
Sound like La La land?
100% correct
I don't really care if his intentions are morally pure or not. I'd still rather have him than have United being used as a political vehicle for the Qatari state.
I wasn't a fan of Middle East owners but I'm starting to come round to the idea that they might be the best option.
Isn’t the reason that people are particularly opposed to Middle East state ownership, rather than any old state, because they're Islamic countries?
Yeah just in time for press guy to pour cold water
Fair and balanced reporting on BEin sports this evening.
Have they?
I just want a good owner, and not leaches like the Glazers. We make enough money to be self sustainable, just invest more in the academy, and sort the stadium and get a good recruitment structure in place.
Check out the thread for more info
If they invest in the infrastructure and doesn't go ballistic in the transfer market I guess it's ok.
In football there are no morals and everyone is a hypocrite eventually. From what I've seen over the years there are two sets of fans, those who understand this and just get on with it & those who pick and choose where and where not to be morally righteous simply because of tribalism. I watched [Irrelevant point] play for my club for years knowing that he did something absolutely awful. Does that mean I stopped supporting him on the pitch? No. In a normal world he shouldn't have been playing football again but football seems to have a different ruleset to the real world. You can either accept that or play a stupid game where you start criticising players at rival clubs but turning a blind eye to your own. The same thing with ownership and many other things.
Yes, give up on any improvement or progress because of the status quo. How aspirational of you.
Which is??
Please no! I didn't think anything could be worse then the Glazers but a state or state backed ownership would be the worst!
I really want someone from England to own the team.
I really want someone from England to own the team.
Won't put me off so mission failed Liew
Hard to argue against Liew's conclusion, although some of the uneducated spunkbuckets in this thread would:
Arguably the biggest club in english football being owned by a foreign nation-state would be truly depressing.
I don’t think so, it’s just that the type of Middle Eastern states we’re talking about are absolute monarchies, rich from fossil fuels, with repressive laws, medieval attitudes to women and gay people, an indentured migrant worker caste, etc.
Those aren’t things associated with Islamic countries, or Muslim people in general. They’re things associated with Qataris, Emiratis and Saudis.
And anyway, are there many other states, Muslim or otherwise, that are interested in buying United, apart from those Gulf states?
Jonathan Liew the same guy who is constantly creaming himself over city.
headline of one of his articles last year….
“Why the ruthlessly brilliant, widely unpopular Man City deserve our respect”
I don't think so. Middle East ownership is just by far the most likely form of state ownership, so it is the focus of attention.
If we imagine there was a mechanism by which the UK owned Manchester United then (for me at least) the same issue would arise. Suddenly the idea of wearing a Manchester United shirt would take on similar dimensions to that of wearing the poppy, something I would never do as to me it represents a form of nationalism I would not wish to associate with. Ditto a state like the US. Or most nation states really, as there are few without a degree of baggage that dwarves what pretty much any individual person is capable of accumulating in their lifetime. And that includes my own country, Ireland.
I don't need that baggage placed on my football team. I just want it to be its own thing, as much as possible.
I used to go and watch eggs home and away but until I saw a documentary on factory farming
I'm hoping Ineos win the bid, but I just can't see them outbidding the oil states
Could end up getting a lot of mileage outta that meme in these threads. People can't resist braindead whataboutism.
Don't want JP Morgan connected with club so fully in the Qatari camp,yes I know what their country stands for but I see it different with them being private investors
Perfectly ok as I live in the real world and not in some wokeshit Lalaland. Also I know that world history is a bit older than the last 30 years. So yeah. Having worked with Goldman Sachs for a couple of years I know what they are and what kind of animals their top executives are. Would never want them to bankroll any move for my club.
Hate to tell you this guys but it's gonna be Qatar, they're already advertising on the CAF amd on this very page
I want it to be Qatar so I'm happyHate to tell you this guys but it's gonna be Qatar, they're already advertising on the CAF amd on this very page
To answer the topic question:
Probably not because over the years I've slagged off PSG & Man City, saying they would be nothing without their new owners, so, it would be double standards for me although UTD already have a massive worldwide following & the worldwide reputation to attract top players something PSG & Man City didn't have before their new owners came onboard.
I mean in the late 1990s would players of the ilk of Neymar & Messi look twice at PSG, would a player (Mahrez) with an EPL title under his belt look twice at City? Of course not.
Probably not because over the years I've slagged off PSG & Man City, saying they would be nothing without their new owners, so, it would be double standards for me although UTD already have a massive worldwide following & the worldwide reputation to attract top players something PSG & Man City didn't have before their new owners came onboard.
I mean in the late 1990s would players of the ilk of Neymar & Messi look twice at PSG, would a player (Mahrez) with an EPL title under his belt look twice at City? Of course not.