Yeah I'll keep my focus on all those unjust laws and lack of human rights, even though I know I as a non-gay male I can go to a bar and drink alcohol without fear of being arrested or worse. If that's "looking at the negatives", so be it.
Would you be okay with state or state-backed ownership?
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Fair enough. And yeah I 100% agree on the bolded part.
Rich corporations pay little tax - it’s disgusting but it’s common and legal. Any criticism should be levelled at the city council in my opinion.
Interesting article the complete opposite of what I've heard about them.
It’s not an article, it’s a scientific study.
Im not surprised it’s not been reported. That’s the purpose of sportswashing.
I'm not sure you really understand what that word means. What exactly is colonial about that article?
Not really - one is cheating, the other is just morally wrong. We can prevent the others from cheating, we cant prevent the others from having shitty rich owners
I was living in New Islington a while ago and whilst I'm aware theres been some dodgy dealings with how Abu Dhabi acquired the land, I loved living there and it wasn't like Mayfair expensive tbh.
Putting him on ignore would be your best bet.
Why? Was I not fair in my assessment?
A question for those who keep saying we’d be “buying trophies” and any success would feel “hollow” under Qatari ownership. We spent over £200m in the summer, now if we were to win the League cup or as crazy as it would be win the league this season would it feel hollow? Would we have brought those trophies? Or does that only apply if we were to spend similar amounts next season under Qatari ownership?
The point is we aren’t anything like City, Newcastle etc. We are self sufficient as a club and if we spend big in the market it’s with are own cash we generate and will continue to do so even with Qatari ownership. They won’t be spending millions of their own cash in the market and propping us up with artificially inflated sponsorships like City. Therefor I don’t get the whole soulless, buying success rhetoric. It would be nothing alike.
The point is we aren’t anything like City, Newcastle etc. We are self sufficient as a club and if we spend big in the market it’s with are own cash we generate and will continue to do so even with Qatari ownership. They won’t be spending millions of their own cash in the market and propping us up with artificially inflated sponsorships like City. Therefor I don’t get the whole soulless, buying success rhetoric. It would be nothing alike.
Nah nothing got to do with you personally, I just think that if posters get up other posters noses that much they're just better off putting them on ignore.
Never said we are did I haha
So then what’s your point about US or UK ownership?
Im not going into it again. Just that almost no country is ‘clean’ including the businesses that operate within them. Easy to demonise Qatar while there’s plenty wrong closer to home
Extending our ideas of taste to the rest of the savage world. Take a look of that wonderful example of taste called the British museum.
Edit: It was the quote from the end of the article that I was commenting on.
Colonial: relating to or characteristic of a colony or colonies.
You probably mean colonialist.
Colonialist: characteristic of or involving the practice of gaining political control over other countries and occupying them with settlers
But neither really makes sense.
Edit: also, to be clear, you're the one using words like savage...
How do you pronounce pedantic?
You fabricated accusations from thin air.
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Can you read? Neither makes sense in the context you used it. You thought something was patronizing. What does that have to do with colonialism in this context?
If Newcastle beat us in the final, watch all these Qatari cheerleaders tie themselves in knots to point out the differences between Saudi/Newcastle and Qatar/United, while also having an inability to understand the much more obvious differences between Qatar human rights/United Vs western human rights/United (aka countries not buying United.
the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is pathetic.
the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is pathetic.
It’s a shame that this feels like the only way we will be able to be truely competitive across the board. It’s a shame that’s the state of the modern game. It’s become a monopoly board for a Uber rich to the point that someone like ratcliffe probably doesn’t have the level of wealth to invest what we need to be at the very top again.
would most united fans prefer a nice honest family with billions to splash, probably (that doesnt exist btw). Will we sell our soul if bought by Qatar, it’s probable. We will get a new shiny stadium with naming rights. Will it even be old Trafford anymore? We will have the best of everything and buy galactico signings. Probably win trophies.. will it feel the same or will we become everhthing we say we hate in recent times? (city, psg, Newcastle). Maybe.
time will tell but it looks like it’s happening… I just hope we stay authentic and true to our roots. We’re already rich. We have history and heritage that we don’t need to buy. Just pay off the debt and invest in stadium and facilities… the rest we have got covered. I hope they don’t tamper with too much. Old Trafford and this club is special. It feels special already. It doesn’t need its soul tampering with. I hope they keep the tradition of the club alive. I hope the new owners understand this club and what its core and soul means.
there is no other club in this country that when you step into the stadium you can feel it’s history. It’s just incredible. The etihad, emirates, tottenhams swanky new stadium.. they have lost that. Yes they are more modern and a more comfortable experience (yes I admit we need the stadium sorting) I just hope we dont become something similar to them. Soulless. The legends in the game that have walked through the tunnel as stone roses plays out. The historic games that have been played in our beautiful stadium, money can’t buy. It’s hairs standing on end, it’s goosebumps, it’s a feeling that can’t be compared, can’t be replicated. I hope this club keeps its beauty and what it stands for above all else, just maybe with a modern twist.
would most united fans prefer a nice honest family with billions to splash, probably (that doesnt exist btw). Will we sell our soul if bought by Qatar, it’s probable. We will get a new shiny stadium with naming rights. Will it even be old Trafford anymore? We will have the best of everything and buy galactico signings. Probably win trophies.. will it feel the same or will we become everhthing we say we hate in recent times? (city, psg, Newcastle). Maybe.
time will tell but it looks like it’s happening… I just hope we stay authentic and true to our roots. We’re already rich. We have history and heritage that we don’t need to buy. Just pay off the debt and invest in stadium and facilities… the rest we have got covered. I hope they don’t tamper with too much. Old Trafford and this club is special. It feels special already. It doesn’t need its soul tampering with. I hope they keep the tradition of the club alive. I hope the new owners understand this club and what its core and soul means.
there is no other club in this country that when you step into the stadium you can feel it’s history. It’s just incredible. The etihad, emirates, tottenhams swanky new stadium.. they have lost that. Yes they are more modern and a more comfortable experience (yes I admit we need the stadium sorting) I just hope we dont become something similar to them. Soulless. The legends in the game that have walked through the tunnel as stone roses plays out. The historic games that have been played in our beautiful stadium, money can’t buy. It’s hairs standing on end, it’s goosebumps, it’s a feeling that can’t be compared, can’t be replicated. I hope this club keeps its beauty and what it stands for above all else, just maybe with a modern twist.
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You are of course correct, here and throughout all of your posts on this. It’s a sewer in here. The whataboutism in particular is embarrassing. Keep fighting the good fight!
Man, these two posts slap so hard.
Well put.
United fans need to stop their whattaboutisms, mental gymnastics and intellectual dishonesty to justify the Qatari ownership.
It's lame and really exposes the limitations of our individual integrity. I've seen youtubers and content creators who rightfully condemn Greenwood but also happy to twerk for Qatari money and ownership.
reality isn't a select your adventure video games.
Your inability to deal with real world consequences doesn't change anything no matter how much you delude yourself.
There are consequences for our actions as equally as our inactions. You say you care about your family and job and dogs, but seem to be unwilling to stand for anything that would make the world a better place for them.
Kudos to admitting your selfishness and short-sighted world view, truly, most people put up a performative front.
Regardless, there will be consequences to blood state ownership.
The bill comes due, always.
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Neither make sense to you would be the correct way to put it if we're practicing pedantilism.
Usage: According to the rules of grammar, the pronoun neither is singular and requires a singular verb.
https://www.britannica.com/dictiona...age According to the rules,Neither is correct.
Nice try though mate.
Anyone worried about having to drop out of Champion‘s League if Qatar buys us? They own PSG. According to the current rules, it would be impossible for both to compete in the same competition.
https://theathletic.com/4212060/2023/02/16/manchester-united-qatar-uefa-fairsquare/
https://theathletic.com/4212060/2023/02/16/manchester-united-qatar-uefa-fairsquare/
Just compiling a list of people on both side of this debate.
Can anyone else add to it?
AGAINST Qatar ownership:
Human Rights Charity: Fair Square
Multi national charity: Amnesty International
Manchester United legend: Eric Cantona
FOR Qatar ownership:
Unitedtransferteam420 from Twitter
Can anyone else add to it?
AGAINST Qatar ownership:
Human Rights Charity: Fair Square
Multi national charity: Amnesty International
Manchester United legend: Eric Cantona
FOR Qatar ownership:
Unitedtransferteam420 from Twitter
Bringing this to appropriate thread.
I can’t believe we now have people siding against charities for human rights and to end abusive laws because we will have a higher net spend.
My attitude has been that i was inevitably going to hate anyone who had 5 billion to spend on a football club and that I'd probably continue supporting the club regardless because ... habit i guess. Its a bit of a reach to go from watching a football match to being responsible for whatever grotesque shit the owner had done / was doing.
Now that it looks pretty inevitable, I'm not sure i can at this point. The Manchester City / Barcelona / Juventus cheating stories have gone a long way to end any interest I had in the sport and i think this might be the final nail in the coffin.
Now that it looks pretty inevitable, I'm not sure i can at this point. The Manchester City / Barcelona / Juventus cheating stories have gone a long way to end any interest I had in the sport and i think this might be the final nail in the coffin.
No one's siding against anything, I'm not sure why you're trying so hard be so divisive.
You asked why a charities would write in opposition for something they're campaigning against and it's fairly obvious they would do that because it's within their interests to do that if they want to keep their current donors and attract more donors within that space. Did they write to Russia when they started dropping bombs on Ukraine? Surely they care about all human rights abuses right? Or are they specifically only going public about their concerns when it actually affects their business?
I'm not fecking siding against anything, I donate to charity regularly, but you know the answer to the question you asked and you're purposefully trying to wind people up like we're all super happy and you're the only one against a Qatari takeover.
We're all unhappy with certain aspects of it, in an ideal world we'd have it a different way. If you genuinely care and want to make a difference then do something instead of quoting random people on a forum and getting your tits off about stuff that isn't happening.
Rather than write my own reply to this, I will use quotes from you earlier in the year before it seemed Qatar could buy United. This is you talking about Qatar.
This is you talking about the power of sportswashing.
It's not ideal, but what really winds you up is these journos thinking we are 'selling our soul' and should find our 'moral compass', 'make a stand', etc, whilst on the main lapping up everything City have done for the last 14 years, and also rarely saying anything meaningful about what the Glazers have done to us for the last 18 years. When they do it often comes accross as them finding it amusing, and harping on about how much they've spent on players, so what's the big issue.
I would be very happy for the this to not happen, but only if a stop is put to City, Newcastle, and PSG, but it won't be, so there is no way they can stop this going through without looking like it's just making an example out of United.
I would be very happy for the this to not happen, but only if a stop is put to City, Newcastle, and PSG, but it won't be, so there is no way they can stop this going through without looking like it's just making an example out of United.
That was before it became clear that we might sign Mbappe though. That made it clear that the true corruption is within human rights organisations.
I stand by those comments.
Speak up and do something about it. Hold people accountable for their actions. I don't want it to happen and I've given walking away from football serious consideration, but it's going to happen and I've come to terms with that and I will miss football too much.
What I will do, as a fan, is make demands that the women's team is supported as much as possible, and speak out/complain to governing bodies if I believe there is any form of discrimination happening at Manchester United.
Outside of that, as a fan, there is nothing more I can do. The press are going to hold these guys accountable for a lot of stuff anyway because they're massive hypocrites, so it's going to be hard for them to put a foot wrong.
There's nothing anyone here on this forum can do about the way Qatar is run as a country. It's shit but it is what it is. If anything, I'm hoping if we do get Qatari owners I, and others, will become more educated in what's actually happening over there and feel compelled to do more if possible. Until then we're all just along for a ride and we have to decide how we're going to react when this becomes a reality.
I mean, if this goes through then the possibility of that being dealt with becomes even more remote. PSG dont matter, City are potentially getting kicked down to league 2 and Newcastle haven't been a problem yet and dont need to become a problem
Wumminator going all investigative forum journalist on people is one of the best parts in all of this
. People are hypocritical as hell out here.You think I can be bought that easily? At least throw De Jong and Veratti in first.
I don't think you understood the sentance. read it again and compare it with your own.