Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Nikelesh Reddy, Oct 7, 2019.
Thing is how will we know if the first 13 games he wins straight are just new manager bounce?
No, its the same repetitive cycle of the last 6 years. Another previously succesful manager of a big club(s) whose style and philosphy ill be a mis-match to our clubs.
Allegri would be a disaster. The fans that want him are the same ones who begged for Van Gaal and Jose.
We need a young hungry energetic innovative coach, with a record of improving players, promoting youth, playing attractive style.
Nagelsmann is the dream. Marco Rose looks awesome.
Eddie Howe also a good option. We should be looking no further than those 3 and really need to land the best (Nagelsmann) this time.
The managers track record surely must count for something.Ole never really had any sort of a track record at the highest level....If it’s a manager with a proven track record of winning trophies and if he wins 10 games on the bounce it probably means that he’s beginning to impart his philosophy onto the players....If it’s a manager with no track record of success,then 10 wins on the bounce could mean anything...,
I'm more concerned with this set of players maintaining performance levels past the "think I've impressed the new manager" phase.
I want Ole to be given the time that all the Pochettino fans have no problems saying he should be given if Ole were sacked. However, if he were to go then I'm warming to an appointment from left field like Eddie Howe. The problem there is given the kind of players we have and the struggles too many of them are clearly going through, could we really expect them to respect Eddie?
I'm not saying they shouldn't - it's just that he hasn't managed players like that, he has no record like Alex Ferguson had when to a lot of people's surprise he was appointed but he took Aberdeen to big success, would the attitude from many of the players be, nope, you don't get it because you've never been at this level.
I also think Brendan Rodgers should be an option if sadly Ole were not to be given time. Has managed at big clubs with the highest pressure of expectations.
These players aren’t good enough.Thats a fact,but do we have the right manager right now to rebuild the team?The answer is a definitive no.Getting the right manager in is the first step towards rebuilding the squad.....the second step would be to appoint a top class DOF(and fundamentally reform our scouting system)....the final step is to then zero in on the right players to implement the managers vision.
Fortunately,I think we signed well this summer(we needed more quality signings)...James,Maguire and Wan Bissaka haven’t added to our problems in any way.They are all good signings....Now we need the right manager for the club.I”m not sure if Allegris perfect for this club,but I”m a 100% convinced that he’s way more perfect than Ole....
I don't believe that he is the right man for the job, plus whatever 'deadwood' Solskjaer has identified for shifting will get a reprieve of another yet year whilst Allegri reassesses the squad.
For the record,Allegris not my first choice.My 1st choice is Pochettino(despite his troubles this season),but I”m not sure if Pochettino would want to come to United next summer.I think that he”ll probably go to Real Madrid....IF we can get an unofficial commitment from Pochettinos camp that he’s ready to take charge next summer,then I would wait for him to become available.
Else I would just sack Ole tomorrow and appoint Allegri because other than Pochettino,I don’t see a better option available right now....
Unless Allegri is a wizard in disguise, it s no use. Tbh I m surprised he s interested considering the conditions he ll gave to work with.
Good points about Allegri
a- He's got plenty of experience in dealing with a flawed owner. If you think the Glazers are bad then you haven't heard about Berlusconi. Imagine a scenario were one of the Glazers suddenly thinks that he's Sir Alex Ferguson but doesn't bother taking the job himself for fear of having to sack himself out of it. That is Berlusconi in his latter years at Milan.
b- He's a top top quality man manager. Unlike LVG/Mou, Allegri doesn't have a philosophy. He builds his strategy by speaking his players, learn their strengths and weaknesses and build the team around him. In fact his formations changed regularly throughout the years. The guy isn't afraid to play players out of position either. He's the master of versatility.
c- No one organise a defence better then he does.
d- I (and half of those watching Italian tv at the time) had a crush at his girlfriend when they were young.
Bad points about Allegri
a- he would always prefer workrate & attitude over technique.
b- because of A, he tends to go for the older players. Kids might showboat something Allegri doesn't like
c- That doesn't mean that he doesn't rate kids. He does rate them. Unlike Conte who couldn't bother knowing their name and used to just call them 'boys', Allegri cares about the young generation. Just don't expect him to build around 17 year olds. He won't
d- He's a genuinely nice guy. He will joke around players, in interviews etc. However don't try and piss him off though. The guy held his ground against both Sacchi and Adani
Allegri is not LVG or Mourinho. Rather then a rigid manager who thinks that everything rotates around his brilliance, Allegr is more like the Mcgyver of football who would scavenge around trying to sort his problems with the limited resources he's got. That what he did at Milan, Cagliari, Sassuolo etc were he had to punch over his weight with the limited resources given. Having said that, this usually result into a team built around players who are hard working and have great attitude. That doesn't mean he's scared of superstars. He did well with the likes of Ibra, Pogba and Ronaldo as well.
Can he cover Sir Alex job? I very much doubt it. There again no one can. These days managers rely on DOFs and great football CEOs as much as a human being rely on oxygen to breathe. Allegri had worked with Paratici/Marotta whom I think are among the best in the job. However, if we get Allegri we will get a solid manager, whose a great man manager and whose extremely versatile in terms of tactics. On that regard he's the closest manager we've had to Sir Alex since this very day. In many ways he does remind me of Sir Alex during his last years.
Some folk haven't learned a thing over the past 6 years.
signing Allegri feels like a signing we make just because he's available, not because he's actually our long term #1 target. he would be a helluva lot better than Ole, but that's not exactly difficult.
No we should wait for Poch.
yes Yes YEs YES
Ask him to manage the current ManUnited in FootballManager and simulate a full season. Imitate everything from rival squads to transfer kitty for next season. If He does well, give him the job.
They really haven’t.
Ya think. We preached give Moyes time and money and we are basically doing it again. But worse.
I'm talking about people like you.
We SHOULD have given Moyes more time..
The day we turned from a well-run club into this mess was the exact moment we sacked Davey Moyes.
I was not a fan of his appointment... I wanted Mourinho to follow Fergie. But when he was appointed, it was obvious we would need 3-4 years of backing him until he had his players in the dressing-room. Ever since we sacked Moyes, we've twisted ourselves into a mess of firing and hiring. NO MANAGER on this planet was going to do what Fergie did within a season or two. None whatsoever; not even a 45-year-old Ferguson again.
ANY manger that comes in needs 3-4 years to build his own mentality. No manager has been given that amount of time. That's why we're a mess.
That's why I say that those calling for Ole to be sacked haven't learned a thing over the past 6 years.
Had we stuck with Moyes, - 6 years down the line - we'd be a well-run dressing-room now. And a well-run dressing-room would be performing a helluva lot better.
I don't think they have a vision. They just pick a manager and talk up their vision.
Edit: And yes. Allegri and Pochetino are the best two choices in the world imo for us (as Klopp and Guardiola are not options).
What other top club gives managers six years to get their act together?
That would be my wishlist if I were in charge. Obviously I'd wait till next summer. If Ole keeps underperforming sack him and bring an interim.
Allegri or Poch. Both are excellent solutions. Next monday Allegri will be our manager.
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I know you are!!!
I just found it funny and no surprise you can't see the opposite spectrum of the scale.
If you think Moyes needed more time totally up to you. All I know we had a squad that finished 1st. Mourinho took over a squad that finished 3rd with players like Marin and got the title back in 2 years... But we needed to give Moyes 3-4 years.
It's people like YOU that need get a grip. This isn't Disney cartoons.
None. That's why in England nobody reigns like we reigned.
There is NO DOUBT you would have:
Sacked Matt Busby in 1950
Sacked Alex Ferguson in 1990
In that case...
We'd have zero league titles, zero European Cup wins throughout our history.
Round of applause for everyone who wants a manager sacked for not winning titles in his first two years....
Delusion is still strong amongst the top reds, I see
The Glazers give managers 2 season to make the team a top 4 side. Why are you making out that the fans decide? The Glazers don’t give 2 shites for the fans opinions, otherwise they’d have never leverage purchased the club.
Any manager who takes us out of the champions league is liable to be sacked.
Let’s not want to sack managers lads. David Moyes got sacked and went on to manager the mighty Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham... poor us.
So now we are at 3-4 years, a month ago it was 2-3! What's next a 5 year minimum before we can judge. The only thing we have a learned from the last 6 years is that this club is going backwards. Moyes, LVG and Jose all had top 4 as an expectation. Ole if I had to guess because I don't think anyone really knows is maybe top 6?
Definitely not....give Ole time!!
Allegri may not be the right manager for us long term but any pragmatic manager will help steady the ship a little. We’re sinking and sinking hard.
I would personally look for a caretaker manager who is pragmatic enough to get us somewhat stable and move us up the table. Slow the bleed to get us to a good time to appoint someone suitable for the job.
Get a grip mate. Nobody is expecting titles. We are expecting the Manchester United manager to be able to comfortably out-play and out-smart Rochdale, Newcastle, Astana etc. We're expecting to not be 3pts off the relegation zone.
You might need to switch clubs yourself when the axe swings on Ole, very very soon. I don't know how you're going to take that news to be honest.
yes he's style of football is good he has good record and has players that would want to join his team... so yeh any day
Mauricio Pochettino is a fraud
Zinedine Zidane is inexperienced for me, he won 3 champions with the help of Ronaldo and don't tell me thats not true
Jürgen Klopp and Pep Guardiola are out of the question
maybe Didier Deschamps but don't see him leaving France
Luis Enrique daughter died recently so can't see this happening
José Mourinho ain't coming back
Carlo Ancelotti pled his future to Napoli
so who's left?
I think the problem is that he's never managed in the PL and that takes some getting used to as we have seen from other foreign managers - Pep, Klopp, LVG and others. So, it would mean starting again and waiting 3 years until we see results, which would ask the question why change - however, let's keep on topic. I think he's a good manager but would be make an impact straight away or would he need time.......something Fans are not currently interested in giving.
In short, i wouldn't.
I’ve never heard of a job where you can seriously underperform but still be given a couple of years to rectify it
“Well, Johnson, you couldn’t make a sale this quarter but you know what... I’m gonna give you another two years to get it right!”
Trying to augment the team is pure puncture repair bollox.
Why dont we say it KEANE is the man we need.
If Conte and Sarri couldn't last 3 seasons, Allegri won't be able to do that either.
There seems to be one of these threads right before we change manager every time. I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is one of Woodwards stooges testing reaction amongst fans
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